When did Rock 'N Roll officially die?
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Just a stab- when Kurt Cobain died. Otherwise, in the 90’s sometime.
When American Pie says it did, If there is a rock & roll heaven you know they got a hell of a band
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The correct answer isn't on the list. It's August 1, 1981. The day MTV launched.
Diamond Darrell changing his name to Dimebag really hurt the rock scene as a whole
I'll assume you mean "Rock", since technically there's a difference between "Rock & Roll" and "Rock".
I'd say it was when a generation rebelled (as they always do) and started buying into Rap and Hip Hop as their preferred "music". This genre requires little to no musical ability and is comparatively inexpensive to produce. The loss of revenue from file sharing hindered the funds record companies could provide to support the more expensive Rock genre so the cheap *** Rap **** took over.
Kids don't care about learning to play an instrument like they did years ago. It's not as cool anymore. The guitar is no longer a weapon of mass destruction that brings the panties down like it did ~30 years ago.
There's more to it, but I think this is a major factor.
I'd say it was when a generation rebelled (as they always do) and started buying into Rap and Hip Hop as their preferred "music". This genre requires little to no musical ability and is comparatively inexpensive to produce. The loss of revenue from file sharing hindered the funds record companies could provide to support the more expensive Rock genre so the cheap *** Rap **** took over.
Kids don't care about learning to play an instrument like they did years ago. It's not as cool anymore. The guitar is no longer a weapon of mass destruction that brings the panties down like it did ~30 years ago.
There's more to it, but I think this is a major factor.
Was Rock 'N Roll ever truly alive? Maybe that's a better question. I always thought Bog Seger seemed.... programmed.
No, I'm talking about Rock 'N Roll, not Rock & Roll or just Rock.
Pretty obvious differences between the genres if you're an astute music buff like myself.
-im a music nerd. Rap is just a relatively recent iteration of rock n roll... sex/drugs/partying/money. Its the same subjects since the inception of rock n roll. Cardi B is pretty ******* rock n roll in that light.
-im a guitar guy. Synthetic music has been around since the 60s...rap just uses it in a different way. Like all genres they are geniuses, pretenders, industry made fakes and those that appeal to people with basic ***** taste.
-pop music has always been mostly derivative and boring...but some pop is "popular" because its good.
-havent bought a rap/hip hop record since the 80's...so it aint my jam, but like everything else some is good and some is bad, i rely on @B.B.d.K. for that info.
-for people like me who prefer guitar driven rock and roll...there is a metric **** ton of good stuff out there, you usually aint gonna find it on over the air radio. Check @cawoodsct what are you listening to thread for examples.
-im a guitar guy. Synthetic music has been around since the 60s...rap just uses it in a different way. Like all genres they are geniuses, pretenders, industry made fakes and those that appeal to people with basic ***** taste.
-pop music has always been mostly derivative and boring...but some pop is "popular" because its good.
-havent bought a rap/hip hop record since the 80's...so it aint my jam, but like everything else some is good and some is bad, i rely on @B.B.d.K. for that info.
-for people like me who prefer guitar driven rock and roll...there is a metric **** ton of good stuff out there, you usually aint gonna find it on over the air radio. Check @cawoodsct what are you listening to thread for examples.
Rock n roll is far from dead, like Rudd said though, you're not gonna hear it on the radio
I was watching Tyler Childers live shows so far in 21 last night. He has gone full blown rock n roll now and it's excellent. Country rock, but definitely rock.
Plenty of Tyler's, Markus King, Blackberry Smoke, Black Crows and many more. Rock n roll in indeed alive and well.
The world it seems just prefers rap or pop these days. They can have it, and leave me the rest who don't get radio play
I was watching Tyler Childers live shows so far in 21 last night. He has gone full blown rock n roll now and it's excellent. Country rock, but definitely rock.
Plenty of Tyler's, Markus King, Blackberry Smoke, Black Crows and many more. Rock n roll in indeed alive and well.
The world it seems just prefers rap or pop these days. They can have it, and leave me the rest who don't get radio play
If this were requirements for writing a conditional like of code, it would be illogical garbage. But as a programmer, I think I know what you're trying to say.
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Honestly I’m not sure what happened. Rock n’ Roll might not be ‘dead’ like, there are still bands out there playing and putting out good music but it is definitely no longer part of the zeitgeist. looking back it seemed pretty healthy in the the early to mid 00’s you had great bands putting out awesome records to critical and commercial success.
The White Stripes, The Hives, Wolfmother, Jet, The Vines, Kings of Leon, The Strokes. To me that was the last great Rock movement, after that the kids just didn’t care anymore. If you look back it probably has something to do with the rise of social media.
The White Stripes, The Hives, Wolfmother, Jet, The Vines, Kings of Leon, The Strokes. To me that was the last great Rock movement, after that the kids just didn’t care anymore. If you look back it probably has something to do with the rise of social media.
Agree, for the most part. I disagree with the world prefers rap/pop statement, and "radio play" meaning what? A slew of great stations that still keep R&R alive and well.
There is a reason that "classic rock" is becoming a genre of its own....it's still the best out there.
I'll amplify some of those statements like a Fender Deluxe:
You won't hear new rock on the radio but it is being made in great abundance with very high quality. The fact of the matter is that manufacturing formula country and R&B hip-hop songs is a very efficient industry and it targets an audience of young people who really don't care about the musical elements...melody, virtuosity of voice or instruments, or really even the production of the sound.
The same trap sounds and predictable, monotonous "melodies", and cute lyrics are easy to reproduce, and they form an instant bond between the (usually 17-36 year-old) listener and the song..."it's almost like I have heard this before, but it's new right?"
The variety of rock sounds during the 60s-90s was an amazing mess. A lot of risks were taken and producing radio-ready music was EXPENSIVE. So the corporate music industry did what it does: It started focusing on the music that is easy and cheap to produce and sell rather than take risks.
The good news is that there are still thousands of great acts touring, recording and making enough scratch to get by. You can find them all on Youtube or Spotify or whatever and go to massive music festivals all over the country. Who gives a crap about what 15 year old girls want to hear?
You won't hear new rock on the radio but it is being made in great abundance with very high quality. The fact of the matter is that manufacturing formula country and R&B hip-hop songs is a very efficient industry and it targets an audience of young people who really don't care about the musical elements...melody, virtuosity of voice or instruments, or really even the production of the sound.
The same trap sounds and predictable, monotonous "melodies", and cute lyrics are easy to reproduce, and they form an instant bond between the (usually 17-36 year-old) listener and the song..."it's almost like I have heard this before, but it's new right?"
The variety of rock sounds during the 60s-90s was an amazing mess. A lot of risks were taken and producing radio-ready music was EXPENSIVE. So the corporate music industry did what it does: It started focusing on the music that is easy and cheap to produce and sell rather than take risks.
The good news is that there are still thousands of great acts touring, recording and making enough scratch to get by. You can find them all on Youtube or Spotify or whatever and go to massive music festivals all over the country. Who gives a crap about what 15 year old girls want to hear?
Off topic but why is it called the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame", and not the 'Music Hall of fame"?
I think there are multiple things that worked towards killing good Rock music. But this is certainly a valid reason why there was a shift in what we know as Rock. For those old enough to remember, all you need to do is compare the sound and song quality of bands like ZZ Top and Queen before MTV, and again after MTV. Before, they had an edge. They played with an attitude that Rock requires. After, they played to appeal to the non music fan. Pop themes, flashy appearance, easy to sing along sugary garbage. And then, of course, MTV helped usher in the age of Hair Bands. Yuck! It became more about big hair, flash pots, crazy outfits, and dance routines than about attitude and music quality.
As others have already said above, Rock never died. It’s just harder to find.
When this piece of **** was released, of course…
And, of course, can anyone amongst us ever forgive MTV for making us watch this abomination?
This bro old and mad
. And obviously you know the generation before you said the same and the generation that grew up with Tupac and biggie feel the same way about newer rap and the kids that like mumble rap or whatever will say their kids music killed the “good stuff” etc.MTV started the decline, but rock into the '90s was still decent. Alternative/Indie/Grunge, etc.
The pivotal date might be: September 19, 1997, Auto-Tune was invented. Music in the 2000s seems so homogenized to me, but the Tik-Tok generation likes it. They'd never have the patience for a 3 minute, killer guitar solo.
It hasn't died. The music industry itself has died. If you like genuinely good "whatever genre you like" the internet has made it easier than ever to get it.
The problem is POPULAR music is worse than ever. Pay for play has gotten even worse and terrestrial radio is more homogenized than ever.
You used to be able to count on your radio and DJs to turn you on to what was new and good and coming up and all that.
Today it's literally a preset playlist with contractual obligations playing a certain bands song every set period time. Disgusting.
The problem is POPULAR music is worse than ever. Pay for play has gotten even worse and terrestrial radio is more homogenized than ever.
You used to be able to count on your radio and DJs to turn you on to what was new and good and coming up and all that.
Today it's literally a preset playlist with contractual obligations playing a certain bands song every set period time. Disgusting.
Rock will always be around, you just have to search for it now, same with Country/Americana. Stapleton broke through (honestly with the help of Timberlake), but are country stations playing Sturgill, John Moreland, Cody Jinks, or Tyler Childers? Louisville used to have 2 stations for every genre. At some point, the alt rock station went away, the modern rock station merged with a classic rock station, and more mix and pop country stations appeared. It also hurts that a lot of rock fans will fight back against new artists. I don't really care about Greta Van Fleet, but they're young and talented. Selling out shows and playing rock, and instead of celebrating that, some 40-50 year old rock fans complain that they stole LZ's sound. Yeah, okay. Or just enjoy that there are kids out there actually playing rock.
Youtube, Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora...whatever you choose and use, they should be your "best friends." Just within the last few years, I've discovered at least 25 new bands/artists by using those sources.
Youtube, Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora...whatever you choose and use, they should be your "best friends." Just within the last few years, I've discovered at least 25 new bands/artists by using those sources.
This is the part that gets me. Some old fart says rock died in the 80's. You then play them some shr doing rock from the 2000's and they say well that ain't any to good IMO. Yes ACDC rocks, but there are still bands coming out today that rock just as hard. I mean the Arctic Monkeys are hardly known by anyone that I know personally yet they have 2 decades worth of amazing rock and roll songs out right now. I think the real problem is people aren't confident enough to listen to a song they've never heard and decide by themselves whether or not they like it.
Some are just hung up on their favorite period of time in music. Eddie Trunk primarily focuses on the 70s and 80s because he's nearly 60 and that's what he grew up on. I don't think things are as dire as they seem though. There's far too many "reaction" channels on YT, but if you scroll through some of the rock reaction ones (or metal, or country), there's plenty of people (young and old) choosing to expose themselves to everything from Elvis to Sepultura. Collecting vinyl is a thing again and young collectors in particular aren't only buying Taylor Swift records.
Basically, you've just gotta be able to carve out a bit of time and search. Pick out a band you love and check out the given recommendations, you might enjoy this tabs, etc.
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A couple of points:
1. A driving theme in the rock era was that music was central, maybe the most important part of, growing up. When I was a kid in the 80's, there were few things more important than music. This is just not true anymore with kids. Music is background noise, not a central part of your identity.
2. The advent of the electric guitar is what was really kickstarted the rock genre. In the 70's and 80's, even most pop music was guitar based. Everything is electronic keyboard based these days.
3. Eddie Trunk likes to say that rock is not dead, and then points out a bunch of retro bands that still play rock music that sounds like it was made in the 70s. That is not much different than listening to retro jazz guys like Wynton Marsalis (80's version) who treated jazz like it was a museum piece. Rock won't be "alive" again unless it is innovative again. And I'm not sure that is possible.
1. A driving theme in the rock era was that music was central, maybe the most important part of, growing up. When I was a kid in the 80's, there were few things more important than music. This is just not true anymore with kids. Music is background noise, not a central part of your identity.
2. The advent of the electric guitar is what was really kickstarted the rock genre. In the 70's and 80's, even most pop music was guitar based. Everything is electronic keyboard based these days.
3. Eddie Trunk likes to say that rock is not dead, and then points out a bunch of retro bands that still play rock music that sounds like it was made in the 70s. That is not much different than listening to retro jazz guys like Wynton Marsalis (80's version) who treated jazz like it was a museum piece. Rock won't be "alive" again unless it is innovative again. And I'm not sure that is possible.