theres no outrage. Just trying to understand why you’re ignorant. Might not be your fault.
When do you draw the line!
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theres no outrage. Just trying to understand why you’re ignorant. Might not be your fault.
oh so I can’t have a flag and stand up for those same qualities?
I am as much of a patriot as anyone regardless what your opinion may be. I also support the right of the players to demonstrate however they please but to also be willing to accept those who disagree.
I would never say anything to any of the players directly and I don’t agree with burning stuff but there is some clear hypocrisy afoot on Borge sides.
of course I’m ignorant I’m a rep all you guys know this by now. Anyone who doesn’t agree with you or your platforms is not just wrong they are ignorant rednecks. That’s the easiest way for you to label things at the same time calling out others for their labels.
but no hypocrisy here nope not at all
I for one have never said they could not do it. I said it was a stupid thing to do because it creates division. And Cal as the leader choked like he does in games and took a knee with them instead of explaining to them the division it may cause.
No you are bitching I pointed out that the left has now actually created flying a flag as being wrong in many instances. I replied to a poster here who said exactly that that it was being used as idolatry and it was wrong.
So whine and cry all u want I clearly stated the kids had a right to demonstrate as they please, but those of you who are getting upset at those who disagree are the hypocrites.
So whine and cry all u want I clearly stated the kids had a right to demonstrate as they please, but those of you who are getting upset at those who disagree are the hypocrites.
Didnt claim that you cant but you can't have one or the other. You can't claim to be patriotic while complaining about someone being....patriotic. Those kids are exercising their 1st amendment right. But yes there is hypocrisy on both sides. Someone has to decide what they want to believe in. Do yo you want to cry about the knee and the flag and forget about your constitution or do the players want to stand up and let people continue to treat their people they way they're being treated as to not create division. Personally I think its clear which side needs to step away from the topic.
It only creates division if you don't understand the message and don't take time out. Also if someone wants to create a version of disrespect that has never been the case such as kneeling before something. Otherwise let it go and let people exercise their rights.
This picture was on a FoxNews.com story this morning. Fox took it from the AP. Picture is from PhillyAntifa.org.
Yet Fox/AP shows it as Trump supporters.
Supporters of President Donald Trump are confronted by U.S. Capitol Police officers outside the Senate Chamber inside the Capitol in Washington. (AP)
Again my response was intended to be a direct reply to a poster who said that Americans have created an idolatry around our symbols and how terrible that was I don’t agree with that statement. I think there are many patriots on both sides of the aisle however there is a group on the left who has co opted the use of ak American flag as a colonizer and supremacist statement. I don’t cere if you agree with that or not I’ve seen it said many times.
I think that’s a sad state of affairs when one group stoops to that position. I said nothing related to the uk kids and their right to protest how they feel other than they had a right to do so just as those who disagree can protest however they like whether I agree or think it’s ignorant.
First of all, I have a lot of friends who are Republicans and I don’t think they are ignorant. You’re hiding behind collectivism.
And I’m really not talking to anyone but you. I’m trying to understand why you think you are more patriotic than other people by opposing people who disagree with racism and invading a capitol.
I mean yes of course anyone who tries to use the flag as a symbol for white supremacy is an idiot. We can agree on that.
when did I say anything of the sort? I never claimed one group had a right to protest and the other didn’t. Again for the third time, I was replying directly to a poster who bemoaned the fact that Americans had co opted our patriotic symbols like the flag and anthem as false idols. I strongly disagree with that statement and the only group I have ever seen disparage those who flat the flag as colonizers and racists is the far left. Is that not true?
No it’s not true. There are many far right dissidents, likely even as many as on the left. Possibly more. Anarchists, or the elimination of government, falls on the right side of the spectrum. But I don’t see why it’s even important to be honest.
wow that’s not what I said either. Of course everyone can agree with that, what is sad is that a group of people on the left associate anyone who flies a flag as racist and worshipping a false idol of freedom. That’s where I draw an issue. That Was clear in my initial post that anyone on the left who makes that association is wrong. I can agree that if a white supremacist uses the flag as a statement that’s wrong and appalling. can u agree that anyone on the left who uses it to call someone a colonizer or racist without context or reason to do so is also wrong?
Only in the mind of a liberal does this thought stays.
It doesn’t make me want not watch or be done with the program. The only thing that makes me want to not watch is bad play.
Am I alone in this thinking?
Am I alone in this thinking?
Ah so I can see you are just gonna create straw man bs arguments out of anything I say or deflect to the time honored losing argument that well my side has more crazies than yours. Which is of course ridiculous. You have replied to my posts several times without ever actually acknowledging any of the points. So I’m not gonna take the time to respond to you moving forward on this topic.
Do you know what a straw man is? You asked a question and I gave you a factual answer. And I don’t give a **** about your side or “my side”. Arguing about what is left or right reminds me of a high school polisci class. It makes no difference
I won’t be done with the program over it, and they can do what they want.
However, someone, any adult in the room, needs to do a better job of informing these athletes of sides to the equation they don’t understand. Simply watching Lebron James and mimicking him is not wise nor does it make your position true. (Simple data research shows their positions on this issue are largely politically fabricated).
Many of the people that are pushing a globalist league and agenda also then want to ignore the minority slaughter that’s taking place all over the world and in China. They are frauds when they kneel over perceived and false “oppression”. The truth doesn’t work this way.
All I’m saying is it’s time for an adult that’s around these kids to speak some truth and get a backbone. Just because it’s your right, doesn’t make it right. These guys need to learn that.
However, someone, any adult in the room, needs to do a better job of informing these athletes of sides to the equation they don’t understand. Simply watching Lebron James and mimicking him is not wise nor does it make your position true. (Simple data research shows their positions on this issue are largely politically fabricated).
Many of the people that are pushing a globalist league and agenda also then want to ignore the minority slaughter that’s taking place all over the world and in China. They are frauds when they kneel over perceived and false “oppression”. The truth doesn’t work this way.
All I’m saying is it’s time for an adult that’s around these kids to speak some truth and get a backbone. Just because it’s your right, doesn’t make it right. These guys need to learn that.
Other thread got deleted when this topic was brought up. Too sensitive of a subject I guess for adults to discuss.
no I have no idea what a straw man is bc, of course, I’m an ignorant redneck Republican I thought we already established this earlier.
a straw man is taking a point that relates to the flag and one political party associating it with being racist and a colonizer then responding to that point with a post that says it’s wrong to demonize one side for protesting and not the other. I said nothing of the sort in any post in fact quite the opposite however u continuously repeated that argument which was a complete straw man not related to my post in any way.
But keep on acting as if you are smarter than everyone I’m certain everyone is very impressed.
I really don’t get a rat’s backside if they kneel, stand, sit, or do backflips. All I care about is what happens between the opening tip and the final horn.
A conversation I had with my dad before he passed away, who was a veteran, about athletes kneeling or sitting during national anthem and I was surprised by what he told me.
He put his life on the line just like countless others to give them that right to protest how they see fit as long as it was a non violent manner. He said a lot of people are not going to agree with it but that’s your right. There are governments in some countries you do it and your never seen again.
I apologize for being long but thought I would give the views coming from a veteran.
He put his life on the line just like countless others to give them that right to protest how they see fit as long as it was a non violent manner. He said a lot of people are not going to agree with it but that’s your right. There are governments in some countries you do it and your never seen again.
I apologize for being long but thought I would give the views coming from a veteran.
If it happens as part of the game, and the national anthem is part of the game, it is fair game to be talked about. Afterall, isn't the goal to bring attention to the issues? The team needs to issue a statement that RR should be allowed to talk about the issues they are trying to raise. Both sides should be heard. Anything less than that is censorship.
There you go. Again, they know the frauds in the media are in bed with the Democrats so they also know that they can get away with these despicable “antics”.This picture was on a FoxNews.com story this morning. Fox took it from the AP. Picture is from PhillyAntifa.org.
Yet Fox/AP shows it as Trump supporters.
Supporters of President Donald Trump are confronted by U.S. Capitol Police officers outside the Senate Chamber inside the Capitol in Washington. (AP)
Agree but freedom works both ways. We can't discuss what the team is making a public statement on. Did your dad serve to only allow the progressive side to give an opinion?
I would not characterize it as "false oppression." It might not be what many in China face, but we are not China. We have to hold ourselves to a higher standard, and we unfortunately do not at times. I remember being twenty-years-old, and I knew a lot more about the world and my nation than I, as a fifty-year-old man (and white man at that) might give college-age kids credit for in this day and age. They know by experience, and they also have a bit more freedom to make this statement. They would have gotten hammered by the fans if they did this in the 80's, but the black experience in America was just as real then as it is today. I think that it took courage for Cal to be honest with them and to trust their judgement. Those of us over a certain age do not hold a monopoly on truth and understanding. These young men might help all of us to reflect on where we are and where we can go in the future.
I think it is interesting that at sporting events everyone feels like they must play the National Anthem and any show of objection is a big deal to some. We are talking about a sporting event. I can see playing it at governmental functions, the olympics when a country wins and has the ceremony, but all those carrying on, likely more than half that audience is waiting for it to be over so they start cheering their team. Many others don't know the words, or know the context on how and why it was written or even implemented at sporting events (hint, at first it wasn't played before but during a game). I read one guys saying 100's (plural) of years it was played which is wrong. However, it is a show of respect to stand but not a law.
is this you....
I wonder how many have woken up, after a night of drinking, to find you are lying next to something like this?
I agree that if we just eliminate it from sporting events problem is solved. We don't do it for most other things so why a ballgame?
BS. Conservatives/Republicans denounced what happened last week. Democrats encouraged, justified or were silent concerning the mayhem their supporters perpetrated since last spring.
George floyd is very debatable at this point. Police brutality and should be punished 100%. Far from conclusive the police were responsible for his death. He also wouldn't have been dealing with the police in the first place if he weren't a violent criminal on drugs...
This breonna Taylor narrative is disingenuous at best. It's well documented what actually took place and what kind of person she was. Definitely not murder and that is conclusive.
I will gladly acknowledge black people have more negative and deadly interactions with the police (although 99% are not unarmed), if you'll concede black people commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime.
Of course you wont...
Dude, I don’t care if you’re a Republican or Democrat. You’re hiding behind stereotypes. And a straw man argument is when you assume an argument for your opponent and then act as if they made that argument. I have not made a straw man argument.
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Did anyone actually ever say the UK players and coaches didn’t have a right to do this?
I keep seeing this bandied about as some sort of argument from those who disagree but I honestly haven’t seen anyone make this claim. If Im wrong so be it but saying U were upset that they did it or didn’t agree with their opinion is not even in the same galaxy as saying they didn’t have a right to protest or speak their mind.
I keep seeing this bandied about as some sort of argument from those who disagree but I honestly haven’t seen anyone make this claim. If Im wrong so be it but saying U were upset that they did it or didn’t agree with their opinion is not even in the same galaxy as saying they didn’t have a right to protest or speak their mind.
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LMFAO the guy who called me ignorant and an idiot bc I didn’t share his political opinion is now accusing others of hiding behind stereotypes. That’s funny.
I specifically mentioned exactly how you corrupted my opinion and used a completely different opinion as a straw man. You wanna reply to my specific example or re explain what I already said was your straw man bs argument?
Please tho just for my enjoyment tell me which stereotypes I’m hiding behind? I make a comment about how it’s sad that some on the far left have co opted the flag as racist and a symbol of colonialism as A DIRECT RESPONSE to a poster who said essentially the same thing that is Americans are too invested in our false idols such as anthems and flags.
Well, it’s pretty much not open for debate if they have the right to do that, so I’d be surprised if someone made that argument either way