I said they were looking at the wrong guy from Kentucky. I said McDonnell was a much better coach than Cohen. And yet we had the usual cast of idiots who didn't want anyone with any ties to Ole Miss. McDonnell has been at UofL for three years now. Three NCAA appearances, two Super Regionals, and a CWS. Meanwhile, Cohen left UK in about the same shape he found it. Thanks Ninja.
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I said they were looking at the wrong guy from Kentucky. I said McDonnell was a much better coach than Cohen. And yet we had the usual cast of idiots who didn't want anyone with any ties to Ole Miss. McDonnell has been at UofL for three years now. Three NCAA appearances, two Super Regionals, and a CWS. Meanwhile, Cohen left UK in about the same shape he found it. Thanks Ninja.
I said they were looking at the wrong guy from Kentucky. I said McDonnell was a much better coach than Cohen. And yet we had the usual cast of idiots who didn't want anyone with any ties to Ole Miss. McDonnell has been at UofL for three years now. Three NCAA appearances, two Super Regionals, and a CWS. Meanwhile, Cohen left UK in about the same shape he found it. Thanks Ninja.
I'm not bashing Cohen so save the uproar, but McDonnell is a fantastic coach that has proven his worth. If Bianco ever leaves I hope we are smart enough to hire him.
Cohen has had one year. Did anyone expect a lot more this year? Let's give him at least a Croomish three years before we deem him an idiot.
if for no other reason than to watch the meltdown on the Lake.
I will say this- whoever their last coach was gave him a nice present in Chris Dominguez. That guy is incredible.
I will say this- whoever their last coach was gave him a nice present in Chris Dominguez. That guy is incredible.
I don't think that Cohen has been or will be a failure by any means, but I really did want McDonnell. I think both would have been very successful.
because this year means absolutely NOTHING. First of all, Cohen was implementing a system that was totally foreign to the players he was dealing with. However, beyond that, with the talent currently available on the MSU baseball team, it really wouldn't have mattered who was coaching. Cohen didn't win with this team and neither would have McDonnell (nor would have Skip Bertman in his prime). We just don't have enough SEC caliber players at this point. It will have to be about 2 more years before any real assessments can be made on whether Cohen is getting the job done or not. While our W-L record was not good this year I was at least fairly pleased with the improved offensive numbers over last year but it wasn't enough improvement to overcome our HS pitching staff.</p>
Go to hell, and take your opinions with you. Arrogant jackass. And don't send me any threatening PMs.
McDonnell would have been a fantastic hire, but we could not have made a better hire than Cohen. Even if McDonnell turns out to be the better coach, how do you turn down a coach that takes KENTUCKY to an SEC BASEBALL REGULAR SEASON CHAMPIONSHIP, especially when he is a Mississippi State guy?Ol Blue said:
I mean seriously, Cohen was considered one of the bright young coaches in the country, same as McDonnell is now, not then, and he is a Bulldog. While I would never have questioned a McDonnell hire the way some would have, please shut the <17> up until Cohen at least can implement his system.
I'm editing this to say that Cohen is still considered one of the bright young coaches in America. And everyone knows he is now coaching at a sleeping giant.
Blew does that to everyone. It's his own special, identifiable modus operandi. That's why you have to preemptively call him out about it or publicly post said nasty PM. And for good measure, don't send me a PM, Blew.
To say that Coach Cohen left the program like he found it is the sign of someone suffering from mad cow disease. His UK teams went 24-30( '04), 29-27 ( '05), 44-17 ( '06), 34-19-1 ( '07), and 44-19( '08): he left the program with what Baseball America called the # 4 recruiting class in the nation. The team that he handed off won 4 of 10 SEC series and had a winning record after sending about 20 guys into the top 10 rounds of the MLB Draft in the previous three years. To jog your memory, this years club lost Collin Cowgill ( 18 HR, 55 RBI, and a .378 average) and Sawyer Carroll ( 15 HR, 75 RBI and a .416 average): by the way, both were finalists for the Dick Howser and Golden Spikes Awards for the best player in the country. Your ramblings are idiotic.
...that said, whoever had this team this year would've had the same players and probably the same record. If we had hired McDonnell and Cohen had another championship contender at Kentucky, everybody in Bulldog-nation will have had a major meltdown. There were some idiotic things this team did this year, worst of which was batting out of order in the South Carolina series. They don't get the pass from me these other guys are willing to give them next year...if they don't make the SEC tournament next year, there's something seriously wrong with the baseball program. However, I still think Cohen was the best hire for The Mississippi State University. I'm hoping the the best players from our Top Five recruiting class come to school instead of going pro, and there's a huge resurgence.
If we lose some of those guys, it could put us borderline to making the SEC tourney. We will be drastically better next year. I bet we don't have to use outfielders to close out any SEC games next year.
How Old Blew was overlooked for the douche tourney is beyond me, I really don't give a **** if he sends me a PM or not.
How Old Blew was overlooked for the douche tourney is beyond me, I really don't give a **** if he sends me a PM or not.
Cohen brought more talent to Kentucky in the short time he was there than in the previous 20 before him combined. And he will have us back to the top in within 2 more years. If he had had a closer on this years team, they would have been in a regional. As ****** as the talent was he was left with, he still almost pulled off a miracle.
And you are a complete 17'ing moron if you dont think Mullen is going to do a great job at State. But I am ecstatic you posted aGAIN that you "arent sold on him"...many of us will make that mental note. Just like when you said- "The best proven coordinator out there from a big school and the best head coach from a non-BCS program would not give MSU the time of day" Sooooo, first of all you say we can't hire one, and when we do, you arent sold on him? Thats great stuff.
Oh, and don't send me anymore PM's either
And you are a complete 17'ing moron if you dont think Mullen is going to do a great job at State. But I am ecstatic you posted aGAIN that you "arent sold on him"...many of us will make that mental note. Just like when you said- "The best proven coordinator out there from a big school and the best head coach from a non-BCS program would not give MSU the time of day" Sooooo, first of all you say we can't hire one, and when we do, you arent sold on him? Thats great stuff.
Oh, and don't send me anymore PM's either
I hated the Croom hire from day one as well. I had never heard of him before he didn't get the Bama job when they hired Shula, then wham bam, Larry steps up to the plate and hires him. So factor in I didn't know jack about him, plus his lack of college coaching experience, plus his ties to Bama and to Bear, plus his decision to not report full time to MSU until the Packers were done in the playoffs....none of that impressed me. My high water mark with Croom was his opening press conference. It was great. But even a day or two after that, I was already developing a dislike for him. I still wish he would have won and won big, but he obviously is not cut from a winner's cloth as a head coach.
To be fair, I was skeptical about Mullen staying at UF through the championship game, but he handled it much better than Sly did.
To be fair, I was skeptical about Mullen staying at UF through the championship game, but he handled it much better than Sly did.
McDonnell's a great recruiter and is doing a nice job. But let's also acknowledge that his best pitcher (Big East Pitcher of the Year) and Best Hitter (Big East Player of the Year) were inherited. His other best hitter he got only because he was able to get him to go Ole Miss (Andrew Clark).
Additionally, Louisville somehow earned host by beating up on bad teams, over 30 outside the top 100 rpi in fact. Cohen was able to do that with ease at Kentucky as well.
McDonnell's a good coach, but I just think we need some perspective.
Additionally, Louisville somehow earned host by beating up on bad teams, over 30 outside the top 100 rpi in fact. Cohen was able to do that with ease at Kentucky as well.
McDonnell's a good coach, but I just think we need some perspective.
i was the biggest crooms hater there was/is, however to compare the two hirings is not very intelligent. i'm at least somewhat excited for the future of our baseball program. with crooms, there was no hope from the beginning (to me).
To be fair, I wanted Brian O'Connor from Virginia, but I am just as excited with Cohen. The question I have for Blue is - how many games would State had won if they played in the Big East? Right now, you are comparing apples to oranges. You can't compare what MSU does in their league, which is the toughest in the nation (according to Boyd's World). What is the Big East? 10th in RPI on Boyd's World. And that team that Cohen left in the 'same shape' as he found it, split games with Louisville this season. Oh, and I forgot, it must be nice to play the 145th toughest schedule. MSU played the 66th. Honestly, you seem to just skim over the pertanent info. Next time, Blue, do a little research.
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I checked the NCAA brackets from 2007 and Louisville didn't play a Big East team in the tournament that year - on their way to the CWS.
Didn't play one in this year's tourney either.
he didn't post for most of the year because he lost a "loser leaves the board" bet with peaches until peaches said he could come back around the end of football season if I recall. However, he almost made up for the missing time in the few months he's returned. He was pretty silent through the basketball season because of his beloved cats losing to garbage teams like vcu (didn't that happen this year? might have been last). With the Cal hiring, he's back in full force.
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Cohen should have been the hire at MSU because his heart and soul is at MSU and we are his dream job. The same can't be said for folks like McDonnell or O'Connor. Down the line who knows if they would stay loyal to us or not if hugely successful. And IMO winning in the SEC at KY > winning in the Big East at Louisville.
You are right about Diminquez. He was coming off a medical redshirt when McDonnell arrived. I believe Marks was already in the fall signing class when McDonnell arrived, however he was not highly recruited. For instance, Cohen did not offer.
Who said Cohen did a "crappy" job this season? http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/175191#reply-175191