When Ole Miss wins the West this year will your opinion change of Stans?
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You sure are on fire today ... geez..calm down ,its one loss.
With that said , I still like Stansbury as our general .I do think we need a new strength coach . I am tired of teams playing more physical than us.Washington last year just decided to push us around. Alabama todaydid alot of hand checkingon defense, and it seems as if we are just soft. Maybe Ravern, Barry, Jarvis just need to bulk up or we need a better strength program.
With that said , I still like Stansbury as our general .I do think we need a new strength coach . I am tired of teams playing more physical than us.Washington last year just decided to push us around. Alabama todaydid alot of hand checkingon defense, and it seems as if we are just soft. Maybe Ravern, Barry, Jarvis just need to bulk up or we need a better strength program.
2007 - CWS run<div>2008 - last in conference, Polk is gone</div><div>
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</div><div>So are you suggesting that a year after winning the SECT (which is not the same as a CWS run), we'll come in 12th in the SEC? Or even by next year?</div><div>
We finish in 5th at worst in the SEC this year.</div>
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</div><div>So are you suggesting that a year after winning the SECT (which is not the same as a CWS run), we'll come in 12th in the SEC? Or even by next year?</div><div>
We finish in 5th at worst in the SEC this year.</div>
and it's a big IF at this point Stansbury started to decline, I have no doubt that Byrne would make a change.
That was a lot of our problem with Polk. Coach Polk was more powerful than LT in some ways- sometimes that was good, and sometimes it wasn't. I do not feel like Stansbury is more powerful than Byrne, and I think most would agree with me on that. It also complicated things that Polk's name was immortalized on the stadium. Byrne will not re-name the Hump or the court or have anything else named after Stansbury or any coach for that matter until after they are done at MSU.
I daresay MSU baseball has a much more complex politcal structure than MSU basketball as well. We had fans that wanted very sepcific people to replace Polk depending on their views- some like me were in the Cohen camp. Some wanted Raffo. Others wanted Brian Shoop, Steve Smith, Buck Showalter and a few even wanted an outsider like Pat Casey or Dan McDonnell. It was a very intense coaching search with a lot of strong feelings. MSU baseball also has a "good ol boy" family type atmosphere with it, and at times that is a good thing, and at other times it isn't. That also complicated the coaching search to.
I also want to say I do not believe that we did not pick Raffo because of Ole Miss's success in baseball. We picked Cohen becuase he gives us the best chance to win. I do not believe we will fire Stansbury based on the success of Ole Miss basketball either. Nor should we. If we start having losing seasons then we should fire him.
That was a lot of our problem with Polk. Coach Polk was more powerful than LT in some ways- sometimes that was good, and sometimes it wasn't. I do not feel like Stansbury is more powerful than Byrne, and I think most would agree with me on that. It also complicated things that Polk's name was immortalized on the stadium. Byrne will not re-name the Hump or the court or have anything else named after Stansbury or any coach for that matter until after they are done at MSU.
I daresay MSU baseball has a much more complex politcal structure than MSU basketball as well. We had fans that wanted very sepcific people to replace Polk depending on their views- some like me were in the Cohen camp. Some wanted Raffo. Others wanted Brian Shoop, Steve Smith, Buck Showalter and a few even wanted an outsider like Pat Casey or Dan McDonnell. It was a very intense coaching search with a lot of strong feelings. MSU baseball also has a "good ol boy" family type atmosphere with it, and at times that is a good thing, and at other times it isn't. That also complicated the coaching search to.
I also want to say I do not believe that we did not pick Raffo because of Ole Miss's success in baseball. We picked Cohen becuase he gives us the best chance to win. I do not believe we will fire Stansbury based on the success of Ole Miss basketball either. Nor should we. If we start having losing seasons then we should fire him.
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he announced his retirement after the Ole Miss series, so it was actually about 10 months if you want to be technical. Right after Ricky Bowen pitched the game of his life.
That team was a complete trainwreck. We were starting people like Brooks Lewis at times.
It was also entertianing in a macarbe way because Polk totally went nuts, and you just had to wait until the post-game show to hear what he would say next.
Admonishing the USM fans made me extremely embarassed to be a MSU fan. And then to send Raffo out to coach third base because he couldn't take the heckling? <sigh>
And we all know about how he went completely ape **** when Byrne hired Cohen.</sigh>
Let's say from this point on we do about as good as we can do...we get an 8 seed. Win the first game and lose to Kansas/Texas/whoever.
Next year we lose our best defensive guard (Stewart) and Swat. We have a slightly more difficult non-conference schedule and we finish the year with 17 wins and a NIT appearance. Meanwhile...Ole Miss returns everyone from this year and wins the west, maybe the SEC(is that even relevant? They are going to be damn good next year). What do we do? If I'm correct about this season and the next, it's obvious we are in a cycle of averageness. But...the recruiting class will be HUGE. You can't get rid of Stans. So...Stans gets his stars and we do the same damn thing all over again for the next four years (Rhodes and Gordon are stars, we recruit shooters around them, stars leave, only have shooters, no offense, etc.). Is everyone ok with that?
Or...let's say our team collapses this year and we shitcan Stans. Then...we hire a young, new coach to excite the fanbase before the huge recruiting year...the future is unknown. But at least it's not purgatory.
Next year we lose our best defensive guard (Stewart) and Swat. We have a slightly more difficult non-conference schedule and we finish the year with 17 wins and a NIT appearance. Meanwhile...Ole Miss returns everyone from this year and wins the west, maybe the SEC(is that even relevant? They are going to be damn good next year). What do we do? If I'm correct about this season and the next, it's obvious we are in a cycle of averageness. But...the recruiting class will be HUGE. You can't get rid of Stans. So...Stans gets his stars and we do the same damn thing all over again for the next four years (Rhodes and Gordon are stars, we recruit shooters around them, stars leave, only have shooters, no offense, etc.). Is everyone ok with that?
Or...let's say our team collapses this year and we shitcan Stans. Then...we hire a young, new coach to excite the fanbase before the huge recruiting year...the future is unknown. But at least it's not purgatory.
<span class="storybody">Stewart tried to pick up the slack and was
1-of-7, while Phil Turner was 1-of-3 off the bench. “That’s the way the
ball falls sometimes,” said Stewart who still led MSU with 13 points.
“But we’re still in the game, you have to give us credit for that.”
Bost and Johnson both had 10 points.
Edited to add this gem:
</span><span class="storybody">Even then, “We still should have won,” Bulldog point guard Dee Bost said. “The ball didn’t bounce our way.”</span>
1-of-7, while Phil Turner was 1-of-3 off the bench. “That’s the way the
ball falls sometimes,” said Stewart who still led MSU with 13 points.
“But we’re still in the game, you have to give us credit for that.”
Bost and Johnson both had 10 points.
Edited to add this gem:
</span><span class="storybody">Even then, “We still should have won,” Bulldog point guard Dee Bost said. “The ball didn’t bounce our way.”</span>
they should go ahead and fire pearl...i mean imagine losing a conference road game to a team not as talented as you? how could he let that happen? And UT graduates a few starters so they have no chance to win next year if they cant this year? Damn it Bruce youre just destroying the program up there.
youve made some of the dumbest comments ive ever heard today, its a road conference loss, it happens and any educated bball fan knows that. yes its frustrating to lose to a team that you know youre better than but it happens in every level of bball so 17ing get over it. bama was due for a big win they had a huge lead against a good purdue team, shoulda beat ut and vandy and finally got it done against us. not to mention we literally could not have played any worse and were still a one bad no call away by the ref from winning the game
youve made some of the dumbest comments ive ever heard today, its a road conference loss, it happens and any educated bball fan knows that. yes its frustrating to lose to a team that you know youre better than but it happens in every level of bball so 17ing get over it. bama was due for a big win they had a huge lead against a good purdue team, shoulda beat ut and vandy and finally got it done against us. not to mention we literally could not have played any worse and were still a one bad no call away by the ref from winning the game
How does a team beat Kansas and get blown out by UGA? But I understand, this doesn't fit your thesis. Carry on.
I have not looked that closely to what the others have done, but it is apparent they are not really needed that much. Look at what they have without them.
Just affects depth some what.
Just affects depth some what.
Look at Erickson's players at Miami and Oregon State. June Jones' players at Hawaii. Calimari at Memphis. I'm not saying they need to be choirboys, but when players commit armed robbery I think you can cast a jaundice eye at the coach.
are back and every ut fan i know believes they are a way better team without tyler smith...and dont forget we had UCLA on our OOC schedule, cant help it they are taking a dump this year
They also beat Kansas with all of those 4 players out, so that kind of knocks the "woe is me" b/c we lost some players argument out.
And I was one of the ones that said UGA was more talented than us, especially depth in the frontcourt, PG as well. Today and the games after today will continue to prove that
And I was one of the ones that said UGA was more talented than us, especially depth in the frontcourt, PG as well. Today and the games after today will continue to prove that
If he is run off and we find ourselves one of those up and coming coaches that you talk about and we are still on here complaining about losing to Alabama at their house?
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If we make one of those sweet sixteen runs you keep talking about, with a bench that is about as deepas a sheet of paper?
Just curious. We have only lost 4 games, take a moment and breathe.
Sorry, I forgot, if Bruce win with the first 5 people in the door for a game, Stans should be able to win a NC with his scholly players.
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If we make one of those sweet sixteen runs you keep talking about, with a bench that is about as deepas a sheet of paper?
Just curious. We have only lost 4 games, take a moment and breathe.
Sorry, I forgot, if Bruce win with the first 5 people in the door for a game, Stans should be able to win a NC with his scholly players.
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State went to the final four in 1996 and I don't believe Stan was coaching then so don't say he built that program!! They haven't been past the sweet 16 since then and how many NBA players has he produced, I don't think they've had one since Dampier and i'm not counting that europe bull crap</p>
...and Stans takes us to the Sweet Sixteen? Then everything is good, right?<div>
</div><div>P.S. Polk didn't just have a down year in 2008--it was Mississippi State's second worse season ever (at least since WWII), by one game. That last win over Arkansas kept it from being the worst season in MSU history. Stans would have to go something like 4-20 to be equivalent. </div><div>
</div><div>P.S.S. We're 15-4 right now. And tied for 3rd in the overall SEC, just 1 game back from 1st.</div>
</div><div>P.S. Polk didn't just have a down year in 2008--it was Mississippi State's second worse season ever (at least since WWII), by one game. That last win over Arkansas kept it from being the worst season in MSU history. Stans would have to go something like 4-20 to be equivalent. </div><div>
</div><div>P.S.S. We're 15-4 right now. And tied for 3rd in the overall SEC, just 1 game back from 1st.</div>
if we do fire Stansbury, can we really do better? I mean, we're bitching about being an 8 seed in the Tournament. That's in part because of the job Stansbury has done. Used to be we had people that would hope that we would make the Big Dance period and usually the best we could realistically hope for was the NIT. Yes, we had that special season where we went to the Final Four, but that was an anamoly.
And I'm not saying that we can't necessarily do better than Stansbury- but it's not like firing Croom where the bar is already set low. I'm saying that if we do fire him, we might end up with another Pelphrey. We might end up with the next Calipari to. Probably somewhere in between. And if we do fire Stansbury, and we make a hire that doesn't work out, we're not only going to look like idiots, we may actually set the program back WAY worse than being a annual 8 seed every year.
People can say that SEC West Championships and 20 win seasons are meaningless- which is utterly ridiculous because everyone else in the SEC save for UK would be happy doing that.
You talk about recruiting- one of the reasons why we are able to have a chance at those players is because of Stansbury being consistent as a winner. Players know that they can come here and likely will end up in the Big Dance and that they will be playing for a winner. If you keep going to the Dance, eventually you will break through.
Finally, you need to quit worrying about Ole Miss. Will they be good? Probably. Will they win the West? Maybe. We return Dee, Ravern, Phil, Kodi, and Osby. We probably will at least be mentioned and picked to be first by some people to. If they do, so what? Good for them. But we need to worry about what we are doing at MSU and do things that are good for MSU.
And I'm not saying that we can't necessarily do better than Stansbury- but it's not like firing Croom where the bar is already set low. I'm saying that if we do fire him, we might end up with another Pelphrey. We might end up with the next Calipari to. Probably somewhere in between. And if we do fire Stansbury, and we make a hire that doesn't work out, we're not only going to look like idiots, we may actually set the program back WAY worse than being a annual 8 seed every year.
People can say that SEC West Championships and 20 win seasons are meaningless- which is utterly ridiculous because everyone else in the SEC save for UK would be happy doing that.
You talk about recruiting- one of the reasons why we are able to have a chance at those players is because of Stansbury being consistent as a winner. Players know that they can come here and likely will end up in the Big Dance and that they will be playing for a winner. If you keep going to the Dance, eventually you will break through.
Finally, you need to quit worrying about Ole Miss. Will they be good? Probably. Will they win the West? Maybe. We return Dee, Ravern, Phil, Kodi, and Osby. We probably will at least be mentioned and picked to be first by some people to. If they do, so what? Good for them. But we need to worry about what we are doing at MSU and do things that are good for MSU.
I keep hearing about Kennedy being a great coach, about how he is going to own Stans, about how he is going to build something special in Oxford. So far he has yet to even make an NCAA Tourney, and we beat them on their own court already this year. Point being, shut up about Ole Miss until they actually do something. When Ole Miss wins the west? Good grief.
The fact is some of our fans create one set of expectations for our people and a totally different set for everyone else. It's ok for a good coach somewhere else to lose a game, but don't let Stansbury do it. It's ridiculous. I really disagree with the standards some of you have created for Stans, but if that's what ya'll expect then fine. But, at least be consistent. If you are going to blast Stans for something, blast Pearl when he does the same thing. I hear the same tired excuses: they play a tougher OOC schedule, he's been to a Sweet 16 (as if that is a blank check), he's a better floor coach, etc. Either be consistent or admit your hypocrisy and bias. </p>