When parent of recruit post on message boards - Vol. 23

esplanade91

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This is great:

"Dude, I'm sorry you feel a mistake was made. But you couldn't be more wrong! We are not MSU we are THE University of Mississippi! We do not recruit many of the guys MSU does. We recruit a higher rated/profile player than state. That gives state the luxury of jumping immediately on a guy like Womack without much thought. State doesn't have a Drew Richmond or players of that caliber to consider. Yes, Womack deserves, in my opinion, to be ranked much higher but the simple fact is that he wasn't! Good luck to Matt."
 

thunderclap

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Dad should just get off Twitter and message boards. Just be proud of your son and let everything else be.
 

57stratdawg

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You only copied over half the post. The rest reads

"Then they run over our Sperry-wearing asses every November. It's like Pamplona, except the bulls are two and three star recruits and we leave with whiskey sour and mojito stains on our shirts instead of tomato sauce."
 

esplanade91

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That's funny.
Nkwbdknevodn will be their 1st 1st round pick in how many years? And all things staying the same, he gets picked behind 2 star Chris Jones who wasn't good enough for a USM offer.

Yet this is the sunshine being pumped out of their collective asses.

Higher profile, my ***. What it is, it's that our staff doesn't recruit linemen by waiting for DVD's to arrive on our desks of players "excessive blocking."
 
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"We are not MSU we are THE University of Mississippi! We do not recruit many of the guys MSU does. We recruit a higher rated/profile player than state."

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Oh well if LSU couldn't beat us last year against our 2nd and 3rd team defense I don't see them beating us for awhile"

There are some gems in that thread- and I just read 1.5 pages of it. I know people like to joke about UM delusion, but I think for whatever reason, some of those people truly believe that their football program is head and shoulders above ours.
 

AlSwearengen

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So, freeze didn't even speak to them at the olemiss camp?

Hugh has been watching too many highlights of himself reeling in all of those five stars on the espn recruiting special a couple years ago.
 

EAVdog

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Yeah pretty sure not even a giant sack of cash would flip Wommack from LSU after that. Way to go. And also note that yes parents read and do sometimes post on message boards.

But makes me a little remiss we didn't offer the guy his Junior year. But you just can't predict the future if a kid is going to explode like he seems to have.
 

rabiddawg

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ManBearShark 137 posts 5 hours ago via Mobile
"Exactly...I think you are butt hurt your kid didn't like State, so you pushed him to LSU."

Deer Lowered. Dude went "all in" on that statement.
 
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RebelAlumnus

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I understand what you're trying to say, but...

Nkwbdknevodn will be their 1st 1st round pick in how many years? And all things staying the same, he gets picked behind 2 star Chris Jones who wasn't good enough for a USM offer.

Yet this is the sunshine being pumped out of their collective asses.

Higher profile, my ***.

The poster DID say that Ole Miss recruits a higher ranked/profiled type player, and the stats bear that out. In 2 full recruiting classes Freeze has signed six Top 100 players, four 5-star players, and seventeen 4-star players. That totals to twenty-one 4-star or better.

In the same two classes, Mullen has signed one 5-star, one Top 100, and nine 4-stars. That totals out to ten 4-star or better. So, if you're basing it ONLY on what he said, then he is 100% correct.

To your other point, yes, we have had a dry run of no 1st round picks. Much thanks to the Right Reverend. But, looking at the current roster, there should easily be four 1st round picks in the next 3 years (Nkemdiche, Treadwell, Tunsil, Conner) and could possibly have more (Taylor, Hampton, Engram, D Jones) though their likelihood is much less.
 

msstate7

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8 1st rounders on your roster... I don't see why people think OM fans are delusional**
 

Chesusdog

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I can't wait for our boys to take those uppity douchebags to poundtown again this November.
 

esplanade91

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The poster DID say that Ole Miss recruits a higher ranked/profiled type player, and the stats bear that out. In 2 full recruiting classes Freeze has signed six Top 100 players, four 5-star players, and seventeen 4-star players. That totals to twenty-one 4-star or better.

In the same two classes, Mullen has signed one 5-star, one Top 100, and nine 4-stars. That totals out to ten 4-star or better. So, if you're basing it ONLY on what he said, then he is 100% correct.

To your other point, yes, we have had a dry run of no 1st round picks. Much thanks to the Right Reverend. But, looking at the current roster, there should easily be four 1st round picks in the next 3 years (Nkemdiche, Treadwell, Tunsil, Conner) and could possibly have more (Taylor, Hampton, Engram, D Jones) though their likelihood is much less.

Well my point is that you recruit whoever you want. We recruit those SAME players. And the response to "Well why didn't Ole Miss offer McKinney or Banks?" is always "We were too worried about the consensus #1 player in the world." It's a lazy way of making your fan base feel good about missing out on ELITE (yes, elite) talents in their backyard.

It's mind boggling too that there are people out there in your fan base who have convinced themselves that we dwell on bottom of the barrel guys and just get lucky, because scouting has nothing to do with it, on players like Calhoun, Love, Market, Dak, Day, Tubby, etc etc etc etc etc.

Tunsil and Robert will likely be 1st round picks, deservedly so, and if somewhere out of the blue Ole Miss finds a QB that can double Treadwell's YPC and heavily increase his YAC, sure, he has a shot. And you have a reason to believe they will, honestly, with him now being a concrete #1 receiver. I'm of the notion that the lack of Moncrief is going to hurt, but I'm not a football coach. Who knows, that's why we watch.

But our starting defense this year minus Calhoun, Love, and McKinney had Ole Miss offers. And of those probably only Preston Smith wasn't "heavily" recruited by you guys. Are you telling me you wouldn't like to have all 4 of those players? And that making fun of us for offering Calhoun, Love, and McKinney (and let's add Jones too because I specifically remember catching hell when he originally committed) is in hindsight 17ing stupid? We "take chances" on those guys?

Yes, Ole Miss spends A LOT more time reaching on reaching on recruits. Only looking at THIS coaching regime's classes, it's worked in only one single class... So generalizing your entire school's strategy is also 17ing stupid.

It took us until probably last summer to ALL realize that Mullen puts more than half of his recruiting efforts into Big Dawg camp. Is JJ Smith from Gulfport a different class of recruit than who we sign? A friend close to the program told me he hasn't taken and has no intentions of taking the ACT and in his opinion thinks he won't be heard of after going to MGCCC. Big gamble! Sounds like something we'd do, and based on your friends' opinions not something Ole Miss would ever do. Our most recent 1st rounder WAS a different profile recruit.

Both of us are going to be talking about how we're pissed our schools didn't fire on Wammack earlier when we had a chance.

Just like I'm sure some of the non-dipship Ole Miss fans would probably admit they wish y'all could go back in time and grab some of the players y'all make fun of us for signing instead of beating the house on guys in a different class of recruit like Brassell, namely McKinney who will probably be the fastest Mississippi product taken in the NFL draft since Eli.

ETA: Honest question, remove high school accolades, stars, hype, whatever, and base this PURELY on what has been earned by individual performance... Do you think Ole Miss has recruited better than MSU since 2008? Across the board.
 
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MaronMatters

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5StarRebel - "I can't stand the fact that a local kid would want to go to LSU over Ole MIss or even MSU to be honest."

lmao..those poor bastards want to convince themselves that they hate LSU way more than State so bad, but they just can't.

ETA: I'm just now going through the posts and I cannot f*****g believe they are flat out throwing in accusations of cheating to his dad. My God what is wrong with those people? They are literally like 10 year old children when they don't get what they want. Literally. Stompin' the floor and blaming everyone but themselves...trying to make everyone think they're the victims...

ManBearShark - "
don't come on an OM message board to act all high and mighty to get attention and your ego stroked.".....talk about a huge double standard.

Someone needs to fly over Vaught-Hemingway and spray some damn Prozac on that bunch or something.
 
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RebelAlumnus

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Evaluation is a huge part of it, and y'all have landed some good ones the last 10 years. We've done ok on that front as well (P Jerry, J Jerry, Wallace, etc) but have whiffed just as much if not more.

As for Treadwell, he's currently ranked as the top WR in his draft. Draft spots aren't all about the stats as talent and projectability mean as much if not more (this is why McKinney is so highly regarded).

I also think y'all have signed quite a few lowly regarded players who played how they were ranked. So it's not like every low guy becomes some All American.

As was my original point, you argued that the referenced poster was wrong in his assessment. He was not, you were. That doesn't mean those players have all turned out not does it mean low ranked guys can't be great. Just don't argue against a point that can be disproven.
 

xxxWalkTheDawg

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First you have:

"That's awfully disappointing given the last story we saw on him. Thought for sure he was going to be a rebel."

And

"Honestly I just wish we wouldn't have a story which says it's pretty much a done deal that he is committing to us just to have him commit somewhere else a week later."

And yet they still pay for subscriptions for more than one recruiting site and check them 50 times a day to learn they have a shot at every player from Seattle to Miami.
 

esplanade91

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Top WR in the draft?! He's a sophomore!

And you can't possibly be telling me that McKinney doesn't have above average statistics.

You also don't need to tell me about how the draft work. The NFL is like a religion to me.

The guy's argument (which you have now adopted as your own) is ignorant. Completely. Minus ONE CLASS, namely 3 players, where you had an inside track because your previous coach teed it up for you, you're getting just as many 4 star guys as we are. And your starters are on par with our starters... Mostly 4 stars and highly regarded 3 stars. The only difference really is our best players are Alcorn State rejects who outshine the 4 stars... Don't try to tell me that's not because our staff doesn't do a better job of evaluating yours. Your head coach apparently doesn't even pay attention to campers or seem to care they're there.

Don't give me this **** that we can take chances on 2 stars because we don't have 5 stars on our board. We've finished in the top 2 with a handful of 5 stars the last couple of years, which is on par with you guys.

If scouting services didn't exist, you and your pals have no basis to claim superiority anywhere really.

ETA: Y'all seem to be all of the belief that all 85 players have to have elite combine skills, despite this not being a model that any professional sports franchise in any sport around the world follows. I'm ok with signing a Brandon Holloway every year even if he ends up being turrible because I have 4 other running backs/ slot receivers who can more than perform... But in the off chance he DOES work out there are few players in the conference with his speed. The dogs have recruited RB as good as anyone, so him probably never going to get PT for us is not a bit deal. He'll get a degree and we'll try again.

You can't truly believe as the school with arguably the 13th best facilities in the conference that you "recruit a higher profile" and thus can't get Banks's.
 
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121Josey

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But makes me a little remiss we didn't offer the guy his Junior year. But you just can't predict the future if a kid is going to explode like he seems to have.

Supposedly Heavesy kept promising him an offer. I don't understand why you just don't go ahead an offer at that point. Maybe you think that it will draw more offers.

But yeah, should have offered earlier, especially given State's strike outs on linemen.
 

121Josey

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The poster DID say that Ole Miss recruits a higher ranked/profiled type player, and the stats bear that out. In 2 full recruiting classes Freeze has signed six Top 100 players, four 5-star players, and seventeen 4-star players. That totals to twenty-one 4-star or better.

In the same two classes, Mullen has signed one 5-star, one Top 100, and nine 4-stars. That totals out to ten 4-star or better. So, if you're basing it ONLY on what he said, then he is 100% correct.

Don't be stupid. There's a difference between recruiting higher profile players and signing higher profile players. But we all know how that works - like State's top recruits flipping to TSUN during the worst stretch of TSUN football. TSUN had better start doing something on the field if they want recruit because the rhetoric is already 4 of 5 Egg Bowls and 4 straight higher finishes in the SEC.

Wictory Wed to the Wescue!
 

Wicked Pissah

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You blame nutt but he is the only reason you have kemdiche, tunsil or treadwell. He signed little kim late summer, that got his brother , his brother basically brought the other 2.

Hampton hasnt played a college snap.
Taylor hasnt played a college snap.
Jones and engram first rounders? Mmkay
 

Drebin

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The poster DID say that Ole Miss recruits a higher ranked/profiled type player, and the stats bear that out. In 2 full recruiting classes Freeze has signed six Top 100 players, four 5-star players, and seventeen 4-star players. That totals to twenty-one 4-star or better.

In the same two classes, Mullen has signed one 5-star, one Top 100, and nine 4-stars. That totals out to ten 4-star or better. So, if you're basing it ONLY on what he said, then he is 100% correct.

To your other point, yes, we have had a dry run of no 1st round picks. Much thanks to the Right Reverend. But, looking at the current roster, there should easily be four 1st round picks in the next 3 years (Nkemdiche, Treadwell, Tunsil, Conner) and could possibly have more (Taylor, Hampton, Engram, D Jones) though their likelihood is much less.

1. How has those recruiting classes worked out for you? I know they take time to develop, but do you guys realize how pathetic you sound when you bash State recruiting, and yet your team can't beat State recruits head-to-head on the football field.

2. Recruiting stars do not equate to first round selections. Of the 8 (!!) you mention, only Tunsil is one that I would consider a lock of a first round pick, and that's if he stays healthy. Nkemdiche, maybe, if he gets his head straight. Treadwell, maybe, if you guys get a QB that can get him the ball. Conner? It's way too early to be projecting him as a first rounder.

Please save this and a couple of years let's revisit how many of these guys went in the first round of the draft.
 

RebelAlumnus

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I'm sorry, top WR in his class.

McKinney has decent stats, but his draft stock is more on his size and potential than his production. He is a prototypical NFL LB.

Both of Freeze's classes looked better on paper (which was his argument) than Mullen. Both of them had more of the three groups I listed.

I never said you have to take chances on 2 stars because you can't get 5 stars. You're projecting what others have said, not what I have said. As for your "handful" of 5 stars, I went by Scout and they have it at 1.

As for your edits, I've never said those things nor do I believe them. Again, making up your own arguments. On facilities, that is an absurd comment. If we are arguably 13th, that puts you squarely in the same discussion.
 

RebelAlumnus

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1) They did pretty good as freshmen, and more will play this year as redshirts. The problem lies in the three classes prior to.

2) I agree. Jones and Nkemdiche have been tabbed as the top two DTs in their class. If both stay the course, each of our schools will have a top pick from our DLs. As stated before, Treadwell has been listed as the top in his class on talent and production. Production isn't everything when it comes to the draft.

Of the 8 I would say 4 are have a better than average chance. The other 4 are much more long shots, as I said initially.
 

Drebin

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1) They did pretty good as freshmen, and more will play this year as redshirts. The problem lies in the three classes prior to.

Exactly the point. I know it's a different regime, but you guys were saying the same **** at the time, too. You were cleaning our clocks in recruiting. It's easy to say Ole Miss recruits better in the present tense because, oh my god, STARZ!, but with the benefit of hindsight, those proclamations of February superiority have no merit whatsoever.

So, counting how many three and four stars each coach has recruited, how many expected first rounders you have, etc., is an exercise in futility.