that we have, by far, the strongest military in the world right now? We spend more on our military than the next 8 countries behind us....Russia, India, China, Great Britain, etc. Does he not know that we already have enough nukes to destroy the world and that any more are a waste of money? Does he not know that we have 12 aircraft carriers while Russia only has 1? I could go on about armor, fighter jets, bombers, stealth technology, drones, and that we have the 2nd most active duty personnel in the world. But i won't. Any jackass can see that our military is already the best in the world. And he has to ridicule it? And his minions lap it up undoubtedly blaming Obama for something that doesn't exist. What a huckster.
When Trump claims the military is depleted and that he'll rebuild it, does he not know....
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Yes, you could list all of these liberal talking points. You could do that and completely show your complete and utter lack of understanding of military readiness rates, staffing goals, obsolescence issues, economic drivers, employed middle class Americans, and a host of other things. So, by all means, blather on about things you know nothing about.
I'll be giving a lecture myself later on degenerative cornia disease. Feel free to attend and take notes on that as I'm not even remotely qualified to discuss it.
According to Biff, everything in our country sucks and he's the only person who can fix it.
I hope he states we are cutting food stamps back to 23 million from the high of 48 million our food stamp President accomplished.
More bombs and fewer people who can afford to eat, good call.. Why do rich people want to see poor people starve?
In what areas does the US need to improve? Where is the funding so desperately needed?
I can't go into too much detail ... but one of my major projects has been seriously underfunded. I can't speak of everything else, but we are definitely getting pinched here.
We're too dumb to understand his answer as far as he's concerned. But any organization can be improved with various changes enhancing efficiency. And maintenance. all that said, we could have a military much bigger and stronger than it is now with all kinds of new technology, double the Navy, triple our nukes, double the manpower....but for what? We already possess the dominant military on the planet. All that would do is increase our debt, increase our budget deficit, and provide profits for the military industrial complex.
Some people have no clue about the jobs that support the military complex. It has also created a career path for millions of people that may not have had an opportunity due to a lack of higher education (obviously not you). Not everyone in the military complex is subjected to combat and life threatening situations.
This extensive well received analysis on U.S. Military readiness certainly backs up your claims RPJ.
http://index.heritage.org/military/2016/assessments/us-military-power/
(now before you just offhand dismiss its findings--it might also be helpful if you could point out exactly where it is inaccurate?)
or tell us where this one is also incorrect RPJ?
http://breakingdefense.com/tag/military-readiness/
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Biff's show, his fluff, and his pageantry are all fodder for his supporters. It's as if he intends on leading his parade of panzers down the street in a show of force for the world to see. The reality is Mattis and Kelly will know how big and how much are needed to get the job done.
LMAO......You have no clue. But anyway...its great to see your NEW concerns.
I am so glad to see you folks on the Left now concerned about profligate spending, waste, fraud, and abuse RPJ. Ironically, it is the Military that actually works more efficiently than most other areas of Leviathan, and we actually receive some benefit from their activity.
They are also coincidentally carrying out a legitimate function of Government, but they're usually the first target for Leftists who want to divert funding away from them and into their Socialist Utopian dreams.
I'd prefer to make sure the Military is properly funded first, and then take a budget Ax to the other worthless waste Uncle Sam manages to generate.
So it looks as if you're now ready to join us in that battle RPJ since you are now so worried about our spending and debt?
Exactly. That is so stupid. A disagreement in how best to defend ourselves does not mean one "side" wants to keep us unable to defend ourselves. What a juvenile response.
But couldn't a massive public works transportation endeavor (for example) provide the same. A TGV type rail system connecting major US cities. Or a massive investment in recycling procedures. Or increasing the amount of college students. Or ...... The military industrial complex isn't the only government funded option for creating a jobs system that also provides worth for the nation.
However, if people in the know truly feel that our military is not capable, I would like those areas addressed. I am however shocked that with our defense budget, we are lagging in any areas. And I would say that in the areas in which we lag, it is efficiency that must be addressed.....putting the money in the right places, rather than increasing overall funds?
We got issues at home....infrastructure rebuilding, insurance costs, costs of higher education, childcare costs, poverty, homelessness, healthcare, education, cancer, and many more that could use more government funding as well, right? Sometimes we have to figure out how to make the paycheck go further, before we take out a loan.
So I guess you're also for cutting food stamps to poor folks so that the military can have more money, duly noted.
No one advocates what Moe said to Airport either:
Quote:More bombs and fewer people who can afford to eat, good call.. Why do rich people want to see poor people starve"?
So how come only the Left gets to set up "Strawmen" bamaEER?
One thing that always irks me about the right: how is it that no one on the right sees the enormity that the military industrial complex has become as a form of SOCIALISM?
Do it with college....they say socialism. Do it with healthcare.....they say socialism. Do it with the military?......they say it's just smart.
Do it with college....they say socialism. Do it with healthcare.....they say socialism. Do it with the military?......they say it's just smart.
Many of these legitimate issues boom are addressed from a strong economy that is protected by a strong Military. Trump is working on both so we can more effectively prioritize those issues and address them with real funding fueled by a growing vibrant economy.
Your issue's aren't irrelevant, but more Government spending on them isn't necessarily the only solution either.
We spent 3 trilion dollars or more a year now and that's not enough to fix this? what portion of that 3 trillion does the Military eat up?
I'd submit we've got a spending problem, not a revenue problem. A growing economy addresses both issues (Military readiness, and increased revenues for addressing infrastructure and other developmental issues.
Because protecting the Nation happens to be THE one legitimate function of the Government I thought we had consensus on?
The first responsibility of Freedom is being ready to protect it boom, or fight to preserve it. So how much Freedom do we allow to be taken from us because of our inability to protect the Nation?
Do 48 million Americans need food stamps? I don't know. I'm fortunate enough to not need them but I won't pass judgment on those who claim to. Perhaps trimming waste from the military budget could result in new found money to be spent on more worthy military programs. Maybe this isn't the best time to give a tax cut to rich folks when we don't have enough money for the military or infrastructure projects, etc.
And a bigger military isn't the only way to protect our nation either....ask the Swiss.
Yes it would and I support those types of public works ideas. But I doubt that people who SUDDENLY now have grave concerns about our debt and budget deficits would be on board.
moe, we spend more than 3 Trillion dollars a year, and the military budget is a fraction of that.
Why is 3 trillion dollars a year not enough money? Why do "rich folks" have to send in more of what they've produced to a Federal Government that not only can't manage 3 Trillion, but wastes the vast majority of that and then borrows even more to waste?
Why is the Government always allowed to spend more, and taxpayers have to get by on less? Why not reverse that trend, and make Government get by on less so taxpayers can have more?
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Wasn't every Republican foaming at the mouth as Obama increased the debt and deficit? Bush increased spending AND cut taxes....it, um....didn't work out too good, and now Trump is proposing the same. But because.....why.....it's ok again?
We're the biggest Nation though boom (economically at least) so we have the most to protect.
Ask most poor nations around the world who benefit from our charity and benevolence.
Ok.....if I spend $625 a month on my lawn, and my neighbor that has the same size lawn spends $41.....and my lawn looks no better than his.....I should probably check on what my money is being used on and find ways to make it more effective.
We got tax cuts, but no spending cuts boom. Mostly because of this little gimmick:
https://www.cagw.org/content/baseline-budgeting
Truth of the matter is we need deep cuts in BOTH taxes and spending to increase revenue and balance our budgets.
(we also need entitlement reform but it's taking a while for the Left to get that part of it)
I don't know...maybe not. But maybe we need them in different places? Maybe we need more? I'm not a Military force structure planner. I am however willing to give them what they think they need to do their jobs effectively to keep us safe and with an effective deterrent to sudden attack.
Aren't you boom?
Of course boom. But if your neighbor has both the ability and the need to spend more his lawn, why does he have to limit himself to what you spend on yours?
We (USA) do have a much bigger lawn to take care of.
Show me where Trump has proposed any such thing......In fact he has proposed the opposite.
There isn't any motivation for people within the Pentagon to increase money going into the Pentagon is there?
He's not advocating for huge tax cuts, while increasing military spending "dramatically", a massive infrastructure program, a border wall, and an increase in border agents and deportations?