When you step back, you realize Mullen was in a no-win situation with the recruiting issue

Irondawg

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Let me start by saying "well played" to whatever Bear came up with their plan of attack. Now let's go back through the past few months.

It all starts when we piss off Slive and the SEC by turning Auburn in for Newton. At first they probably laughed off the fact that a rookie head coach was crying about recruiting. They know what goes on and they don't care. But then it leaked to the media during AU's title run, tarnishing the league's reputation. Who leakes it was immaterial, MSU started this whole mess so Slive's anger is pointed directly at us - not Auburn.

Luckily, the SEC is now ESPN/CBS's football bellcow so Slive and manipulate them a little and thus there was very little investigative reporting on Auburn and Cam was portrayed mostly as a victim.Meanwhile MSU comes off looking the worse for wear and Mullen a bit of atattler.

No big deal though, we're having a good year and recruiting seems to be fairly solid. Our two biggest are CJ and Whitehead and we're in on a few more. OM is still working Whitehead but by all accounts they've given up on CJ (even yancy and mcready)

Then Brassell commits to us out of the blue, then rumors start flying that Tobias is a secret commit. The Bears are starting to get a little miffed now, we're now invading their pipeline areas. Feathers are rustling.

We go on to kick their *** in the Egg Bowl and get a nice NYD bowl bid and put up nice little billboards on the interstate to rub it in.

We all love it, but this is just too much for some of the big OM alums. Something has to be done. They can't get Nutt to fire Nix outright, but they can try to help Nutt get better players.

Finally OM catches a break - Hud leaves for ULL. The main clog in the pipeline is gone and that's going to help them with Tobias.And if you can flip Tobias, that only helps with Brassel. At this point I think if most OM guys had been told they could flip these two guys they would have been estatic and most MSU fans would have been disappointed but merely would have just blamed the HC's at the schools along with the loss of Hud.

To this point it's all pretty plausible - from here on out we go into speculation:

Somewhere along this timeframe the decision is made to go last effort with CJ and see if there is any way to flip him. Simple strategy is to offer him some cash..and who cares if it gets back to State.If Mullen matches then you might can find a way to get that public and tarnish the image or get an NCAA investigation based on the Cam stuff. It's doubtful he'll take that risk. If CJ is receptive, is Mullen really going to go crying the SEC two years in a row when his biggest recruit leaves him at the alter? Does he really want to piss off Slive that bad? Doubt it.

In somewhat of a surprise CJ is receptive and this word starts to spread. Then out of nowhere Diaz leaves which helps make any switch easier to sell to the public. Whether Tobias was already in the boat or not to OM is debatable, but before they all head to San Antonio, stuff is going down and final details are being worked out. Tobias does his thing in San Antonio and CJ does his decommitment.

The rest we all know and Whitehead was not about to fly solo anywhere - that much was clear from the beginning.

Bottom line, Mullen just had no recourse this year unless he had such solid evidence against OM that the SEC/NCAA would have no choice. But it's virtually impossible for that to occur. Regardless of what he says, I just can't buy that this is Mullen's final destination and he just can't afford to tarnish his image at this point in his career.

The only risk to OM was that CJ was a huge MSU fan and would string them along only to end up signing with MSU and turning over recording conversations with OM boosters/coaches that destroyed them. The odds for that were miniscule compared to revenge factor of destroying the prizes of our recruiting class.

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clydefrazier

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Throw one other angle at your post assuming all your theories are true which I think they are/ Slive may have been pissed but he was also embarrassed and outed for not doing anything with the info he was given. Even Finebaum had to be critical of him for that and the other commisioners blasted him. He doesnt want that to happen again so if Mullen/Stricklin has anything concrete to take to him, Slive, though reluctantly, almost has to look in to it to prevent another cover up scenerio. If there was something and Slive did nothing and the info is given to NCAA or NY Times or ESPN, Slive is on thin ice. If Slive gets info and is aggresive with it, he can play "I wont tolerate this cheating" Commissioner guy.

Dont know anyone important, nor do I have cool sources but it does sound like the recipients of some of the Rebs offerings are acting somewhat sloppy.
 

maroonmania

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we didn't turn Auburn in we only turned in the recruit's solicitation of us. By the same token, if a rep approached us for solicitation in this current recruiting fiasco I would say YES turn it in again. If we indeed lost out on a recruit simply because we were playing by the rules and not matching another school's offer then I would happily like to see that recruit eventually get ruled ineligible. Under the Cam rule I know he likely won't since he will not have known anything about it and you would have to prove he got something somewhere else but I would sure as heck turn it in. You either have to play it one of 2 ways, jump into the bidding and pay players or blow the whistle on those who do. Otherwise you can't compete and to NOT pay and then sit back when you lose recruits to that and do nothing is being the ultimate sap even though I know the SEC office will probably just sweep it under the rug.
 

EAVdog

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we'll probably report it. Recent history shows that is how we roll. Whether or not the 'Cam' rule exists for players not named Cam Newton is to be seen. Perhaps Slive is looking for a sacrificial lamb to throw under the bus to look legit.
 
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"Bottom line, Mullen just had no recourse this year unless he had such solid evidence against OM that the SEC/NCAA would have no choice."

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They had solid evidence on Cam.

Apparently, theNCAA or SEC created a loophole (Cam didn't know that his dad broke the rules a.k.a. "solid evidence").

Stated that they were shocked that this loophole existed (even though they created it).

Then, threatened to close the loophole so that no one else could ever use it again.

A complete farce with no intention of justice.

I do believe that Slive was embarrassed that his "sweep it under the rug" tactics were exposed. I believe that he asked State to take the fall for the delay in presenting more evidence. State did, but Slive still threw State under the bus. I expected no less.
 

maroonmania

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provide solid evidence of yourself being solicited than it is to prove that another school paid something. One school is not going to have access to how another school is laundering money to recruits and the school that's paying sure isn't going to volunteer anything. So yes there was solid evidence of a solicitation on the part of Cam's reps to MSU but no solid evidence has been turned up yet of a payment by Auburn to the Newtons although anyone with half a brain knows good and well there was one even if nobody really knows for sure what form it was in.
 

MrHooch

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MississippiHeavyMetalDawg said:
"Bottom line, Mullen just had no recourse this year unless he had such solid evidence against OM that the SEC/NCAA would have no choice."

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They had solid evidence on Cam.

Apparently, theNCAA or SEC created a loophole (Cam didn't know that his dad broke the rules a.k.a. "solid evidence").

Stated that they were shocked that this loophole existed (even though they created it).

Then, threatened to close the loophole so that no one else could ever use it again.

A complete farce with no intention of justice.

I do believe that Slive was embarrassed that his "sweep it under the rug" tactics were exposed. I believe that he asked State to take the fall for the delay in presenting more evidence. State did, but Slive still threw State under the bus. I expected no less.
I feel like this is the most plausible of scenarios... Slive may not have a hate-on for us, but there is no love lost and he will offer us up as sacrificial lambs if it helps him maintain some semblance of dignity and control.
 

BehrDawg

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and forget about this ****. It is done, over. Don't worry about it and move on..

You guys sound like you are 50 year old men still whining that you never got to 17 the prom queen.
 

rebeljim.sixpack

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Now yall are scaring me. Black helicopters anyone.
 

maroonmania

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After the Cam Newton affair nobody should doubt this crap goes on. Save your Black Helicopters reference for stuff that is really out there.
 

TUSK.sixpack

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afterall, the Commissioner screws yall, the Refs screw yall... etc.<div>
</div><div>and I'm actually being serious...</div>
 

klong17

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do you want that? Impossible to land the top recruits in the state??? but then again, what can we do about it? SOL
 

EAVdog

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We ain't leaving this ****. Sooner or later everyone else will rat each other out for cheating and then we'll strike ala late 90's. Now we just need a new Phat Phil to get that ball rolling.

Bobby Patrino I'm looking at you.
 

thatsbaseball

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<div>
No matter what you know or think you know about
Newton`s recruitment up to and including seeing Chizik hand him a wad of
hundred dollar bills. LET IT GO. Hate
on him and his family , kick your dog , call our coaching staff names ,
whatever. If you think you know of a violation keep your mouth shut and
take it to your
grave with you.
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stateforlife03

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justthedoginme

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You guys needed to be on medication for the 10 years prior to Saban.
 

TUSK.sixpack

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was that he favored Bammer. That was simply not the case. That 17er literally tried to bury us...<div>
</div><div>I wasn't commenting on the veracityof the SEC's treatment of MSU, Mississippi, or Alabama, for that matter... I was just curious as to what those schools' (MSU, in this case) fans would like to do about it...</div><div>
</div><div>...and while the SEC did Bama no favors, our incompetence and cheating ways was the main cause for my need of meds from 97-06...good call!</div>
 

thatsbaseball

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When you step back, you realize Mullen was in a no-win situation with the recruiting issue

<span style="font-weight: bold;">NO </span>one man is going to change that and the man who even tries will probably end up not being around long.