Where's the Outrage?
- Thread starter SmackTalkinEer
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Well I guess the Clintons were taking money for Putin and promising something in return? That's why Putin was trying to help her get elected President, right? Oh wait......
Putin wanted your boy in the Oval, because Putin believes in having adversaries not allies in power of rival nations, adversaries that would never advance the interests of the Russian Federation, right? I mean....why would Putin get involved in the US election to get someone he's bought off elected....those assets are always better when they are politically dead.
To create chaos in the US political system in the hopes that we'll be too distracted to be effective? And, I'd bet a kick in the nuts he expected Hillary to win but wanted to keep the pressure on her coming out of the gate. With the Trump stuff, the DNC and Media is doing it for him.
Maybe there is something with Russia, maybe nothing....I don't know. But the timing was less about pressure, imo, and more about election results. Putin is no fool
I think, and I'm certainly open to being wrong, but I think the idea that Trump is some kind of Manchurian candidate is about as far fetched as it gets. I think it's entirely more plausible that Putin saw an opportunity to play havoc and took it.
Look at it like this. He and everyone else thought Hillary was going to win. The stuff released was extremely damaging to the DNC and her by extension. It reflected widespread corruption at the highest levels of Gov't to rig the primaries. Nothing really damaging in the general outside of Comey 2 weeks before the election. The Podesta release was a lot of nothing.
What was his motivation? Throw in the sanctions we took under Obama against Putin for the Crimea thing, which she would have certainly continued. He is also working to expand the Russian influence throughout the globe. She would have fought that through the continued "globalization strategy" the Dems have fully embraced. This strategy largely minimizes Russian economic influence.
So, by damaging her for 6 months into the election which saw a large fracture on the Dem side, plus the complete opposition by the GOP, he was trying to weaken her. Had she have won, we would have seen as much animosity from multiple angles as we do now.
Trump was a wildcard that neither he nor anyone planned on. Trump can no more be controlled by the Russians than by our own country. All of this "smoke" is stuff going back as far as a decade. It makes no sense because some of the most damaging aspects the Russian Billionaire real estate thing presumes a reliance on an outcome to be pertinent that didn't exist at that time.
There may be some "collusion", to date, there hasn't been anything coming close to it. The smoke is being fueled by the complete hatred of Trump and not on facts. It's no different than the Benghazi stuff except she really did get caught trying to circumvent FOIA. She was guilty of everything alleged but the motivation was not what it was portrayed to be. She wanted an off the record means of communication amongst the staff so it couldn't be used against her later in her run and presumably sure thing of being elected President. There wasn't anything nefarious beyond that. Once Comey cleared her, Putin made his play. It is as simple as that.
It wouldn't surprise me if Putin was the "leak" in the Trump stuff. It keeps us all infighting and minimizes any momentum we could mount. Trump is doing plenty of dumb **** on his own, it again, nothing is criminal at least that we know of yet.
At least you think, and are not just emotionally loyal to Trump. I just don't trust the man. Has more to do with the man he has been the last 30 years and less to do with his campaign. I understand political smoke....but I wouldn't put anything past Trump. I don't think he is a mancharian candidate either, just that Russia aligns with his personal financial interests and they both see each other as geopolitical partners for the acquisition of wealth and power.
What do I have to be emotional about? I've said repeatedly that I can't stand him. Listening to him orate causes nausea. I just physically can't stand to hear it.
I do support some of his policies, I like the build up of the defense sector, I like the charter schools, I'm a loyal disciple of "Chaos" (Mattis), I like the idea of strengthening our borders, I like aggressively fighting extremist Islam, and I love gutting the Gov't. I'm lukewarm on his assault on the EPA, but I do think they overreached in the previous administration. I don't like the idea of trade wars and I hated this Healthcare plan. I like the idea of pushing against the globalization strategy and I'm as strong a proponent of Israel as you get. I don't think all Muslims are bad, in fact I'm a friend to a great many moderate. I've studied the Koran and find it to be mostly beautiful in context just like I do Christianity. I despise the notion of White Supremacy, but I think we have some serious issues in minority cultures or rather lower socioeconomic cultures that need addressed. I'm a big 2nd amendment guy, and I think the national media is corrupt. Also, I'm a fan of putting out national interests above the world. In effect, I'm basically a Reaganite.
So, while I can't stand him as a person, a lot of his positions are ones I identify with. You weren't here prior to the general, but I was on Kasich from the onset and maintained that through the election. I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary. My goal for this last election was to find someone who would put the kook fringe elements from both parties back in the corner and shut them the hell up. I wanted our Govt to work again and that wouldn't happen with either of those two corrupt morons who cleared the Primaries.
I think for myself, I'm not influenced by anyone's opinion. I vote and live by my conscience and my conscience alone by ideals that I've established for myself. Since the election, I find my time on here to be mere sport and amusement with arguing against emotionalism. The opposition arguments on here are based mostly on emotion as that runs completely counter to what guides me. I rely on logic completely free from emotion. I've been accused of having Aspergers because I'm devoid of emotion in my decision making.