Which Football program will be in better shape 3 years from now?

[bonedaddy401]

Considering Nutt, Mullen and the leadership at both schools who's football program will be in better shape 3 years from now? "In better shape" takes into account wins in a given season, recruiting, potential for longevity and national perspective.

Note - This isn't "talking smack" just thought it would be topical during Egg Bowl week considering both schools have new coaches and seem to be on the right track.

 

[bonedaddy401]

Considering Nutt, Mullen and the leadership at both schools who's football program will be in better shape 3 years from now? "In better shape" takes into account wins in a given season, recruiting, potential for longevity and national perspective.

Note - This isn't "talking smack" just thought it would be topical during Egg Bowl week considering both schools have new coaches and seem to be on the right track.

 

[RebelBruiser]

3 years from now is the 2012 season. We both had pretty solid 2009 recruiting classes that should be a solid group of seniors and redshirt juniors by 2012 for both teams. Honestly, 2012 is the season that I'm looking toward as an Ole Miss fan. If we continue to recruit well, that should be when it all comes together for us under Nutt. And the same could be said for MSU if Mullen recruits well. That would be the year for it all to come together.

So, essentially you're trying to project how you think each team will recruit and develop talent that we haven't really seen yet. I can make it real simple for you. All State fans will answer State and all Ole Miss fans will answer Ole Miss. Right now, so much of that is up in the air, and the only concrete evidence you have for 2012 is the true freshman class, and by all accounts, both schools seem to have very strong true freshmen classes contributing.

 

[jackstefano]

Croom recruited well his last season, but he really left y'all in a bind. Mullen will recruit just fine from the looks of things, but with the way Nutt has recruited so far I'd have to think that OM is ahead of the curve here for the next 3 years. Take it out 5 years, and MSU may very well be in better shape.

 

[bonedaddy401]

I think that both programs will have the ability to beat anybody in the conference with the exception of the two top teams in the conference whomever they may be within three years.

Both of us struggle from recruiting against bigger schools with better tradition and more national media coverage and that will be the biggest challenge for both Nutt and Mullen.

I think that we will both reach the point where we go back and forth and this thing is fun again.

I hope that we BOTH get to be 8 - 10 win programs year in and year out and if Saban leaves Bama and LSU has to start over with someone new we both may get to that point. Plus you never know when Petrino is going to jump ship.

That being said (with a nod to Curb Your Enthusiasm) I think Mullen will pull ahead IF, and only IF, he gets Cameron Newton and/or a QB that can run his system. If he doesn't and we have to fit a square peg in a round hole it will be Nutt's for the taking.

 

[patdog]

Look for MSU to take a step forward next year and for UM to take a big step back. But I think both have good coaches who will be consistent winners.

 

[seshomoru]

Now that we have a coach who will apparently recruit quarterbacks, I feel better about our chances three years down the road. I guess Nutt could find the next McFadden and Jones to offset that, but that was lightning in a bottle. They'll need to replace Snead, his first half of the season funk aside.

 

[Curly Bill]

although it should have done it already but thanks to the Croom Error and the Sherrill Shenanigans it never did. MSU is recruiting better and seem to have more excitement about the program in general. Very good leaders in place will see that MSU delivers the best product it can, which is all we can ask.

A radio guy said it best a few years back, he said Ole Miss is always going to be 7-4. MSU has the potential to do better, as we've done it before, but we can also do a lot worse. I think 2005-now has really been just an anomaly for both schools.

 

[jcdawgman18]

That being said (with a nod to Curb Your Enthusiasm) I think Mullen will pull ahead IF, and only IF, he gets Cameron Newton and/or a QB that can run his system. If he doesn't and we have to fit a square peg in a round hole it will be Nutt's for the taking.

Cameron Newton won't be here in three years no matter what.

 

[Shmuley]

Nutt will have blown his wad and his recruiting pretty much sucks, so he'll be either looking around or gone.

Mullen, likewise will be gone.

I think state ends up slightly better off as the program will be elevating whereas UMiss will be declining.

 

[bonedaddy401]

but if he comes here and does well then we can attract other QB's of his caliber that have similar skill sets.

 

[Dental Dawg]

Everyone knows the world is coming to an end that year.

 

[spacecataz]

Everyone knows the world is coming to an end that year.

Isn't it supposed to blow up in December of '12? I mean, we will still get our regular season played out. But the possibility of missing out on a NYD bowl because of the end would suck.

 

[bonedaddy401]

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[MSUCostanza]

So, in true MSU fashion, we will be two weeks removed from completing our first ever undefeated, untied regular season and our first SEC championship in 71 years, awaiting our game with Notre Dame (couldn't resist) for the BCS Championship.

Then the world will end.

Thanks, ancient Indian mound. You screwed us one last time.

 

[bulldogbaja]

Not a flame, it's just well documented that I don't think he's an outstanding coach. Well hell, call it a flame. It's EBW.
But you're right, every State fan is going to vote for State and every Ole Miss fan is going to vote for Ole Miss.

 

[tommyboy1520]

both teams will be ranked #1 and #2 nationally with the Egg Bowl basically determining who plays for the BCS Championship after winning the SEC the next week. Of course, the world ends in December and one of the schools is robbed of their first (real) National Championship.

 

[RounderReb]

although it should have done it already but thanks to the Croom Error and the Sherrill Shenanigans it never did. MSU is recruiting better and seem to have more excitement about the program in general. Very good leaders in place will see that MSU delivers the best product it can, which is all we can ask.

A radio guy said it best a few years back, he said Ole Miss is always going to be 7-4. MSU has the potential to do better, as we've done it before, but we can also do a lot worse. I think 2005-now has really been just an anomaly for both schools.

That is a stupid statement. I'll just leave it at that.

My opinion going forward:

I agree with the poster above regarding MSU finding a QB. If Mullen can recruit competent QBs, MSU should be looking at 7-9 win seasons in the near future (next 2-3 years). I also think Ole Miss will be consistently looking at 7-9 win seasons going forward with Nutt at the helm. There is a chance one of us could break through ala State in '98, but it's a definite uphill battle. I think our ability to recruit out of state gives Ole Miss a distinct advantage in some areas. For whatever reason, Ole Miss seems to be a better draw for highly thought of out of state prospects. That's not saying Mullen can't change that though. I'm just going on recent recruiting results. MSU seems to recruit the state of MS better. So you would think the Bulldogs would have the homegrown talent advantage.

 

[Roscoe.sixpack]

Wasn't our class ranked ahead of your's last year?

 

[Curly Bill]

This is just my logic and only mine. If you don't agree you definitely are entitled to that.

For as long as I remember, the most successful sports teams in the State of Mississippi have had a core group of Mississippi (and the immediate surrounding areas) players. That is where it starts. Many combinations, but that is where it all starts. Orgeron had great success recruiting MS and the surrounding areas. Think MSU's Final Four team, all our CWS teams, Ole Miss's 2005 baseball team, Southern's successful teams - they did it basically on MS scrubs. This is my observation.</p>

I look at the two lists and I think our guys are better than yours, just that simply. We were stronger in MS. Your class was top heavy last year with a bunch of space fillers. Our class was solid up and down. You talking about rankings? The top 10, then the next 10, then the next 10, are pretty interchangeable. And you lost some of your class anyway.</p>

Again, just my 2 cents. I wouldn't expect an Ole Miss fan to agree with me. Just keep the cursing and anger to a minimum, 'kay?</p>

 

[seingeyedog]

If Nutt is still in Oxford in 3 years and Mullen is in Starkville, I vote MSU. I say that because I think Mullen will make State a better football team every year he is in charge. Nutt on the other hand, will probably be a bit on the downward slide after all Orgeron's recruits are gone.

However, I don't really think both coaches will be in their respective positions in 2012. I hope like heck we can keep Mullen around for several years, but I think the success he will inevitably bring to Mize State will lead to him being stolen away by a program will more $. Incest runs rampant among the Southeastern Conference football programs, and I think LSU, Bama, Florida, or Tennessee will come calling by 2012. Nutt probably won't get an offer to coach anywhere better than Ole Miss. He is what he is; solid, but not spectacular.

 

[RebelBruiser]

This is just my logic and only mine. If you don't agree you definitely are entitled to that.

For as long as I remember, the most successful sports teams in the State of Mississippi have had a core group of Mississippi (and the immediate surrounding areas) players. That is where it starts. Many combinations, but that is where it all starts. Orgeron had great success recruiting MS and the surrounding areas. Think MSU's Final Four team, all our CWS teams, Ole Miss's 2005 baseball team, Southern's successful teams - they did it basically on MS scrubs. This is my observation.</p>

I look at the two lists and I think our guys are better than yours, just that simply. We were stronger in MS. Your class was top heavy last year with a bunch of space fillers. Our class was solid up and down. You talking about rankings? The top 10, then the next 10, then the next 10, are pretty interchangeable. And you lost some of your class anyway.</p>

Again, just my 2 cents. I wouldn't expect an Ole Miss fan to agree with me. Just keep the cursing and anger to a minimum, 'kay?</p>

You would be right about us in baseball, but in basketball and football, often our best teams have a fairly strong out of state flavor. Our good teams under Rob Evans usually had maybe one or two Mississippi players at most, and the core was out of state. Currently our basketball team is all out of state, and I think we will be a tourney team this year.

Our football team last year, as far as scholarship players, was over 50% out of state. Same with this team. And both of those teams are NYD Bowl bound.

It may be the case that MSU doesn't win without in-state players, but at Ole Miss, our best successes have often come with teams that have a strong out of state flavor. I'm fine with us going out of state, especially to Florida, because Florida is loaded with talent. We can take the scrubs from Florida and often find better players than we will find in Mississippi.

 

[Curly Bill]

a championship type team besides that 2005 baseball team? I don't remember it. I guess the basketball team that made it to the Sweet 16, but they weren't a serious contender. What was your best football team in recent years? '03? Mississippi guys. Last year, benefitted from Orgeron's strong recruiting in this area. Snead and McCluster didn't do it alone, the strengths were in the lines.

You may be right about basketball, who were the big players in 2001? Lockhart, Harrison? I seem to remember Ole Miss having a Provine pipeline at one point that impacted some success. My point remains. I guess you can build a team off guys far away, Tennessee does it. But Ole Miss ain't Tennessee. Very stupid to not concentrate on the talent in your area.

And I didn't say you can't have alot of players out of state. That really doesn't make a difference, after you've gotten all the good players from around your area then you go get the best players available, whereever the hell they are.

 

[alabamadog]

but it was only ranked one or two spots higher. I think this year we are in the high 40s and Ole Miss is in the mid 50s. I don't see much difference in the caliber players we have committed, but obviously both schools are going to add some recruits to this upcoming class.

 

[LeoMarvin]

this same question was asked three years ago. Mississippi State -- always three years away. Good luck with that.

 

[GloryDawg]

I say Miss State will and since this is a non smack day I will not list why but I will say it contains two words. 1. Nutt 2. Sucks.

 

[bonedaddy401]

Enjoy reading

 

[RipleyReb.sixpack]

in the conference.....it might as well be State. Again what's his record vs you guys? I know, I know, Mullen is the answer. Got it!

 

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