Which is greater?

[dotcomdawg]

So I've spent a little time on the "other guy's" boards. They talk about Freeze being the second coming of Vaught, taking their program to "relevancy" and "new heights." Mainly they cite beating Bama twice and going to the Sugar Bowl.

I ask you: Which is a greater accomplishment? Going to a Sugar Bowl and beating Bama twice OR going to an Orange Bowl and reaching #1 in the nation for five weeks?

interested in the board's thoughts

 

[dawgstudent]

You can easily argue both but the one thing that is happening is Mullen is now being known as a great developer of quarterbacks. That's the situation I like the best. Dak's NFL success is the best recruiter we've ever had.

 

[PCHSDawg]

Depends on the NCAA outcome, if Freezus had to cheat to get his accomplishments then ours will appear better. Personally I think ours is better regardless.

 

[dawgstudent]

If we could have won the Orange Bowl-I would take ours. But they did win a Sugar Bowl even if it's watered down version.

But I sure wouldn't trade places with them especially right now

 

[tatedog]

Sly Croom say beating Bama back to back is no big deal.

 

[tatedog]

Depends on the NCAA outcome, if Freezus had to cheat to get his accomplishments then ours will appear better. Personally I think ours is better regardless.

If? Is this seriously still in doubt?

 

[Dogariffic]

You can easily argue both but the one thing that is happening is Mullen is now being known as a great developer of quarterbacks. That's the situation I like the best. Dak's NFL success is the best recruiter we've ever had.

Agree. Dak is our best recruiter. Good Quarterbacks mean you are always in a game and have a chance. Players want to play with a good Qb. Dak will definitely help our overall recruiting....

 

[aTotal360]

Whichever one we did is better!1!1!!!!!

 

[kired]

Agree. Dak is our best recruiter. Good Quarterbacks mean you are always in a game and have a chance.

But one thing Dak has made me realize... apparently with the best QB in the world it's still tough to win more than 4 or 5 games in the SEC west. It's now obvious we wouldn't have won more than 4 SEC games in 2015 even with Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers at QB

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

Freezes accomplishments should make this question null and void since he cheated to do it.

 

[mount lefroy]

So I've spent a little time on the "other guy's" boards. They talk about Freeze being the second coming of Vaught, taking their program to "relevancy" and "new heights." Mainly they cite beating Bama twice and going to the Sugar Bowl.

I ask you: Which is a greater accomplishment? Going to a Sugar Bowl and beating Bama twice OR going to an Orange Bowl and reaching #1 in the nation for five weeks?

interested in the board's thoughts

Ask this question at the end of the 2018 season.

 

[CoastDawg18]

So I've spent a little time on the "other guy's" boards. They talk about Freeze being the second coming of Vaught, taking their program to "relevancy" and "new heights." Mainly they cite beating Bama twice and going to the Sugar Bowl.

I ask you: Which is a greater accomplishment? Going to a Sugar Bowl and beating Bama twice OR going to an Orange Bowl and reaching #1 in the nation for five weeks?

interested in the board's thoughts

Looking at only the items you provided, winning the sugar and beating Bama twice at the level they are at currently is a tougher accomplishment than losing the orange and reaching #1 in my opinion.

If you take in the whole picture with how UM accomplished this feat that is a different story.

 

[Shamoan]

If a cheating beaver gnaws a money tree down in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it really make a sound?

 

[DudyDog]

Their accomplishments will be forever tainted once the NCAA completes the investigation and levies penalties of wrongdoing during the time of which you speak. Any mention of what they have done during this time will ultimately end with, "but the NCAA found wrongdoing of their program that led to (fill in the blank).

 

[Hoover Dawg]

To me you have to compare total achievements at end of year. I mean Ole Miss beat Alabama back to back but would Alabama trade 2014 and 2015 with them?

To answer your question, our records were identical. They finished 17 and 10 in the rankings, us 11 and not ranked. They made 2 Big 6 bowls, winning one, while we won a mid-tier bowl. They beat a playoff contender and a national champ, we were the first #1 in playoff ranking history. They beat us twice. I would say they out-did us overall. Overall significance? Probably not much.

 

[dotcomdawg]

To me, in 2016, the Sugar Bowl and Orange Bowl are equal. They won theirs and we lost ours.

But in their minds, I think they are valuing the Sugar Bowl in 1960s/70s/80s terms, which used to mean that you won the SEC.

 

[JungRebel]

I don't know which is greater, but watching us beat Bama the last two years was a better feeling than any bowl game I've ever watched. Other than that annihilation of UGA this year, being up three scores on Bama this year was the last time I had fun watching Ole Miss football. That Sugar Bowl appearance was still a let down after the position we had been in, just as I assume the OB was for y'all after the chances y'all had in '14.

 

[Hoover Dawg]

Just my perspective, but we had blown going to the playoff with probably one of our best teams ever, in Tuscaloosa. I really did not care what happened after that. It was all disappointing.

At least you all won your Big 6 bowl game last year to get a consolation prize after Arkansas.

 

[dawgstudent]

Honestly-knowing you are about to be #1 in the country was a better feeling than anything I've ever experienced as a fan. Outside of winning the SEC and national title - I don't know if that experience will ever be topped. I actually teared up.

 

[Hoover Dawg]

It was a great 5 weeks but the MSU fan mountain will never be climbed until we hoist a trophy. In the end, I remembered the disappointment more than those 5 weeks. That was an SEC championship team, as was Ole Miss' last year, and neither achieved.

 

[dawgstudent]

The feeling after Auburn was better than beating Ole Miss to win the west. I was at both.

 

[bulldognation]

This is Our Nation.

That trumps anything you can possibly put up against it. To be the #1 team for five solid weeks and capture the #1 seed in the first ever CFP is something special.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Yep. It was awesome.

 

[morningwood]

Keep in mind that after all is said and done, Ole Mss may be forced to vacate most of their wins, so technically, they didn't beat Bama twice. So this argument may be a moot point. I much rather take #1 5 weeks in a row, by the way!

 

[Hoover Dawg]

What about a week later, with 7 minutes left in the 4th, after lightning struck?

 

[engie]

It was a great 5 weeks but the MSU fan mountain will never be climbed until we hoist a trophy. In the end, I remembered the disappointment more than those 5 weeks.

Your life as a college football fan will be miserable. Let's check off one thing at a time. As is -- no team outside the Big6 has won the SEC since 1963. NINETEEN SIXTY THREE. That's a 53 year streak. We came the closest in the championship game era to breaking that streak.

 

[Hoover Dawg]

Your life as a college football fan will be miserable. Let's check off one thing at a time. As is -- no team outside the Big6 has won the SEC since 1963. NINETEEN SIXTY THREE. That's a 53 year streak. We came the closest in the championship game era to breaking that streak.

By all reasonable metrics, being an MSU football fan does indeed induce misery.

Why do I do it? I really don't freaking know. Cursed I guess. I want to quit caring but I can't. Just a part of me.

Negative? Yes. Reality? Yes as well.

 

[WayboDawg]

I don't think I would trade our 5 weeks at #1 for Ole Miss's two Alabama wins and Sugar Bowl win. Personally I believe what Dak is doing with the Cowboys is the biggest recruiting tool you could ask for though. The only thing I could compare it to in terms of positive publicity for a small school is when RGIII won the Heisman and then had a great rookie season with the Redskins. Even Art Briles has admitted that Baylor probably would not have had the high level success that they had without all the publicity the school got from RGIII. He was able to get the athletes that he needed to beat schools like Oklahoma and Texas because of him.

 

[MedDawg]

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[Drebin]

So I've spent a little time on the "other guy's" boards. They talk about Freeze being the second coming of Vaught, taking their program to "relevancy" and "new heights." Mainly they cite beating Bama twice and going to the Sugar Bowl.

I ask you: Which is a greater accomplishment? Going to a Sugar Bowl and beating Bama twice OR going to an Orange Bowl and reaching #1 in the nation for five weeks?

interested in the board's thoughts

This is how I would answer this:

Given their success, and our recent success, and considering the fact that they spent the first half of this season ranked while we lost to South Alabama in one of the most embarrassing losses in the country this year, I would ask this: In which position would you rather be today:

- 5-7, coming off a big Egg Bowl win, bright future offensively, getting a bowl berth due to achievements in the classroom, lots of rising underclassmen on the roster, and a coach seemingly motivated, or...

- 5-7, coming off an implosion of a season, blowout losses to Vandy and Miss. State, a recruiting class ranked in the 50s, a coaching staff in tatters, knowing that every accomplishment you had is due to rampant cheating, and now you're looking down the barrel of the NCAA gun as a result. Understanding that you are looking at at least 5 long years headed your way.

It's not even a debate as to which place you'd choose. And that answers your question.

 

[BiscuitEater]

But one thing Dak has made me realize... apparently with the best QB in the world it's still tough to win more than 4 or 5 games in the SEC west.

Agree .. we play all 6 SEC West teams .. every year. With out doubt, it's the toughest Division in the toughest Conference in the country. We kill each other and, even with the 'ebbs and flows' of CFB, one SEC West team makes it through this 'gauntlet' to challenge for the NC.

 

[thekimmer]

That is a 6 of one 1/2 dozen of another argument.....

So I've spent a little time on the "other guy's" boards. They talk about Freeze being the second coming of Vaught, taking their program to "relevancy" and "new heights." Mainly they cite beating Bama twice and going to the Sugar Bowl.

I ask you: Which is a greater accomplishment? Going to a Sugar Bowl and beating Bama twice OR going to an Orange Bowl and reaching #1 in the nation for five weeks?

interested in the board's thoughts

Like saying which is bigger. A narrow taller mountain or a shorter broader one?

Both teams had a brief. exciting encounter with the big time. We reached the highest pinnacle with a #1 ranking for four weeks and a Heisman candidate but then they did pretty well that season too and did significantly better than us the following year. If I had to pick one for the last two or three years I'd have to give the slight overall nod to mississippi just because of the notoriety their (illegal) recruiting brought. But not enough to give a second thought about.

But then they also fell so much HARDER. Unfortunately for them that fall was just a ledge on the way down into a boulder strewn cauldera filled with red hot lava.

 

[Rezpup]

By all reasonable metrics, being an MSU football fan does indeed induce misery.

Why do I do it? I really don't freaking know. Cursed I guess. I want to quit caring but I can't. Just a part of me.

Negative? Yes. Reality? Yes as well.

I always wondered why our on campus tailgating improved so much between 2000-2008, that horrible 9 year stretch. The Junction blew up and we were averaging 3.5 wins per year -even negative people can't stop caring.

But the older I get I enjoy the successes more and am not as bothered by the failures. That Auburn game was the most electric Scott Field/Davis Wade has ever been and even non MSU media types have compared it to Rams/Saints playoff games and other big events.

our 2014 was greater bc it's so hard to become number one for even a weeek