which QB gets a bunch of reps vs UAB?
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Let's take care of bidness first and get bowl eligible. Run the ball and eat up the clock. It works for us. I don't want TR to give them a gift interception or two early in the game and give UAB confidence. If we play well, he'll have opportunity for good reps in the 2nd half.
We could simply show up for Alcorn and beat them. Alcorn's best chance of winning was to kidnap our team and get a forfeit.
UAB is better than Memphis as well.
What we need to do is start Relf, go with heavy doses of Vick Ballard and Chad Bumphis and try to limit Relf running a little bit, try to get a lead and then go from there and build a big lead. Then bring in Tyler Russell and let him get some work in.
Of course, odds are Relf will get nicked up and then we will just go with Tyler the rest of the way.
UAB is better than Memphis as well.
What we need to do is start Relf, go with heavy doses of Vick Ballard and Chad Bumphis and try to limit Relf running a little bit, try to get a lead and then go from there and build a big lead. Then bring in Tyler Russell and let him get some work in.
Of course, odds are Relf will get nicked up and then we will just go with Tyler the rest of the way.
We're better than both teams... but whether we go out and beat them is another thing. I hope Dan has some tricks up his sleeve to make sure these guys focus on the next opponent, one at a time. We CANNOT start looking ahead to those last three games. We need to win UAB first and then worry about UK.
I mean, UAB has struggled to beat and has actually lost to a Sun Belt team. They had to have a Hail Mary to beat the other. UAB is going to have a really hard time with our talent, speed, and we will be more physical than them.
Kentucky can score, and they have some good players. That's more of a trap to me.
I think it's moot. Our coaches have been very good about preparing our team and getting them ready except for maybe Alcorn. I'll give them a pass on that.
Kentucky can score, and they have some good players. That's more of a trap to me.
I think it's moot. Our coaches have been very good about preparing our team and getting them ready except for maybe Alcorn. I'll give them a pass on that.
If the UAB game is under control in the 2nd half, let Tyler take over then. We are not good enough to just show up and expect an easy win.
because its the easiest game we have left on the entire schedule to get that 6th win nailed down and hopefully ensure a bowl. We need to approach this game like it is a major conference game and so I say we stay with Relf primarily unless we get the game absolutely put away. Of course this assumes that Relf is healthy. I hope that the reason we COMPLETELY quit passing the ball last night was not that Relf is physically hurting and unable to be effective passing the ball.
wasn't because Relf was hurting. It was so that Relf wouldn't hurt us.
I'll be honest- I would have been royally pissed if Relf had thrown a pick and we had gotten beat because of it. I think Dan has been burned way too many times by Relf and Lee at this point to risk that on the road against Florida.
I'll be honest- I would have been royally pissed if Relf had thrown a pick and we had gotten beat because of it. I think Dan has been burned way too many times by Relf and Lee at this point to risk that on the road against Florida.
Coach34 is right. Relf is our QB. And despite the obsession some of us have with Russell and "getting him ready,"Dan Mullen hasone job this weekend and only one job. To beat UAB. And Chris Relf gives us the best chance to do that. We can get Russell his snaps in the 2nd half after the game is won, if we're good enough and lucky enough to have the game put away by then. The absolute worst thing Mullen could do this week would be to send his team the message that they don't have to take UAB seriously, which is exactly what he'd be telling them if he started Russell.
patdog said:
I think a lot of people want to see us do more on offense than just run the ball everytime. I could go to Madison Central this Friday and see that. If people like Texas Tech, Missouri, Kentucky, Houston, Baylor and Hawaii can pass the ball well, there is absolutely no reason that MSU can't.
That said, I understand why Relf starts and that he "gives us the best chance to win" and yada, yada, yada. But I also understand that Tyler Russell is our future and that we will be throwing the ball more. It's just hard to be patient because I want Tyler to be ready now so that we can be even more dangerous and entertaining to watch. I will say that the coaches are doing the right thing with Tyler and the QB situation in general, but again, it's just hard to be patient. Although, at the same time, it's good to see MSU actually develop a QB properly for a change. We have a lot of promise in the future.
But we've got to win games NOW, in the present. And right now, I'm a lot more concerned about the present than I am about the 2012 season. And Dan Mullen had damn well better be a lot more concerned about UAB than he is with "getting a QB ready" for the 2012 season. If we can get Russell a lot of snaps in the 2nd half of a blowout, that's fan-freaking-tastic. But if we start him like FlabLoser suggests and <17> around and lose the game, people are going to be calling for Dan Mullen's head, Florida win be damned. George Allen said it best, "The future is now." So we'd damn well better go all out to win this week andworry aboutnext week (and 2 years from now) when the time comes.
TR is the future. He needs to "get ready" for his future when Relf graduates.
I don't want to see him start his Jr year still needing some game time experience. I want to see him start his Jr year and look like that kid for Arkansas did against Auburn. Or like Spurrier's QBs did back in the day when UF usually didn't start underclass QBs. When he takes over the team, I want him to instantly look like a veteran passing SEC QB, the likes of which have never been seen in my lifetime at MSU.
I don't want to see him start his Jr year still needing some game time experience. I want to see him start his Jr year and look like that kid for Arkansas did against Auburn. Or like Spurrier's QBs did back in the day when UF usually didn't start underclass QBs. When he takes over the team, I want him to instantly look like a veteran passing SEC QB, the likes of which have never been seen in my lifetime at MSU.
I would be more surprised if Relf isn't the starter.
But the problem with Relf is I think we have probably gotten just about as much as we can possibly get out of him as a passer. I just don't see him getting much better. Not totally his fault- he is what he is, and he does run the ball well. He may get a little better, but even then it will be limited. I really hope I'm wrong.
The fact is, he limits what we can do on offense because of his below average passing. His stats are good- but that's a credit to the staff for not asking him to do what he can't. He only has one more TD pass than Russell this year, and that was a lateral to Ballard against Georgia.
I expect Tyler to be ready to take over next year if needed. Hopefully he won't be needed.
Thing is, I think Dan wants to do more with the offense. I'm just basing that off of some of the stuff we have tried to do this year and last as well as what Dan called at Florida when he was the OC there. If Tyler is able to do more next year, I think he will play more. Does that mean that he will start some? I don't know. I'm not even really sure if that matters or not. I think both will play next year regardless. It just depends on how much better Tyler gets between this year and next. I think he will benefit a lot from the bowl practice reps that teams get for going to bowls, so that will help him and us out a lot. Tyler can't run as well as Relf, but from what I have seen this year, he is serviceable in that area. He also makes up for that deficiency with his passing. And even though Tyler isn't as good a runner, it doesn't totally take out our running game, and we can still utilize our running backs.
When we are able to throw the ball downfield some, that is going to help our running game out to- because people can't put 9 in the box or we will burn them. As it stands now, if someone can stop us from running, we're royally screwed.
But the problem with Relf is I think we have probably gotten just about as much as we can possibly get out of him as a passer. I just don't see him getting much better. Not totally his fault- he is what he is, and he does run the ball well. He may get a little better, but even then it will be limited. I really hope I'm wrong.
The fact is, he limits what we can do on offense because of his below average passing. His stats are good- but that's a credit to the staff for not asking him to do what he can't. He only has one more TD pass than Russell this year, and that was a lateral to Ballard against Georgia.
I expect Tyler to be ready to take over next year if needed. Hopefully he won't be needed.
Thing is, I think Dan wants to do more with the offense. I'm just basing that off of some of the stuff we have tried to do this year and last as well as what Dan called at Florida when he was the OC there. If Tyler is able to do more next year, I think he will play more. Does that mean that he will start some? I don't know. I'm not even really sure if that matters or not. I think both will play next year regardless. It just depends on how much better Tyler gets between this year and next. I think he will benefit a lot from the bowl practice reps that teams get for going to bowls, so that will help him and us out a lot. Tyler can't run as well as Relf, but from what I have seen this year, he is serviceable in that area. He also makes up for that deficiency with his passing. And even though Tyler isn't as good a runner, it doesn't totally take out our running game, and we can still utilize our running backs.
When we are able to throw the ball downfield some, that is going to help our running game out to- because people can't put 9 in the box or we will burn them. As it stands now, if someone can stop us from running, we're royally screwed.
GTAdawg said:
I did not say that Russell would be the starter next year. However, Relf won't be around for Tyler's junior and senior year.
I want us to be able to throw the all better too. But it was kind of fun last night watching, knowing we werent going to throw it, Fla knowing we werent going to either but having a helluva time trying to stop us...but nobody is debating the need to be able to throw the ball a little better.
I think Ralph will continue to get better. He has come a long damn way since last season. He will never be the passer that Russell is going to be, but what he brings to the table with the run game more than makes up for that. He just puts so much pressure on a defense because he can run. If we line up correctly last night when we went 5-wide, we had them caught in the wrong blitz and he would have broken that run deep in their territory on the QB draw- instead the play was blown dead when we shifted at the last second. It's things like that Russell just cant do.
aGAIN I'll say- Russell is not a serviceable runner- a serviceable runner in the Spread-Option offense that we run is going to rush for 400 or more yards in a season. Tyler Russell is not going to ever do that. The offense will change once he takes over as the starter. Mullen wont make the mistake Meyer is making with Brantley.
I think next season you will see Ralph starting, and Russell coming in at specific times to run a series (like the 3rd one of the game)...maybe even see Russell take over in 2 minute offense situations...but for the most part, Ralph will run the show.
"As it stands now, if someone can stop us from running, we're royally screwed"
Other than Bama, that's not going to happen. Hell, Fla had trouble stopping us. We stopped ourselves with 3 straight passes after stuffing them and getting the ball in their territory and some penalties. Since we have settled on Ballard as the starter, our run game has been outstanding. Ballard nearly doubled what Dixon did last year against Fla, and we even threw it more last year vs them. Mullen simply didnt want to chance it last night and felt our defense could keep them out of the end zone.
I think Ralph will continue to get better. He has come a long damn way since last season. He will never be the passer that Russell is going to be, but what he brings to the table with the run game more than makes up for that. He just puts so much pressure on a defense because he can run. If we line up correctly last night when we went 5-wide, we had them caught in the wrong blitz and he would have broken that run deep in their territory on the QB draw- instead the play was blown dead when we shifted at the last second. It's things like that Russell just cant do.
aGAIN I'll say- Russell is not a serviceable runner- a serviceable runner in the Spread-Option offense that we run is going to rush for 400 or more yards in a season. Tyler Russell is not going to ever do that. The offense will change once he takes over as the starter. Mullen wont make the mistake Meyer is making with Brantley.
I think next season you will see Ralph starting, and Russell coming in at specific times to run a series (like the 3rd one of the game)...maybe even see Russell take over in 2 minute offense situations...but for the most part, Ralph will run the show.
"As it stands now, if someone can stop us from running, we're royally screwed"
Other than Bama, that's not going to happen. Hell, Fla had trouble stopping us. We stopped ourselves with 3 straight passes after stuffing them and getting the ball in their territory and some penalties. Since we have settled on Ballard as the starter, our run game has been outstanding. Ballard nearly doubled what Dixon did last year against Fla, and we even threw it more last year vs them. Mullen simply didnt want to chance it last night and felt our defense could keep them out of the end zone.
with penalties, how many times this season has Chris Smith gotten a false start?! What's the deal with a wr getting so many false starts?
It's quite possible that you are- UAB, UK, Arkansas, and Ole Miss with Nix- those aren't world beater defenses. We should be able to run on those teams.
But what scares me is if we get behind and have to throw it- that's more likely to happen than those people stopping us. Manny has done a great job so far, though. Especially for it being his first year. And we seem to be getting better on defense to. Lot more hard hitting than earlier in the season. But some of those teams- epecially Arkansas and to a lesser extent Kentucky- can score.
But what scares me is if we get behind and have to throw it- that's more likely to happen than those people stopping us. Manny has done a great job so far, though. Especially for it being his first year. And we seem to be getting better on defense to. Lot more hard hitting than earlier in the season. But some of those teams- epecially Arkansas and to a lesser extent Kentucky- can score.
We had actually taken control of the game, and it looked like we were going to score again until we committed a couple of stupid penalties. We should have scored at least seven more.
PASSING GP Effic Cmp-Att-Int Pct Yards TD Long Avg/G
Chris Relf 7 131.5 55-95-3 57.9 708 5 58 101.1
Tyler Russell 6 146.2 35-58-5 60.3 555 4 57 92.5
Relf is and should be our starter this year and next because of many reasons posted already. Some of you act as if he can't throw the ball at all. I will agree, while in that, if he throws another pass from the pocket against any SEC team the rest of the year it will be more than I care to see. He does have nearly a 60% completion rate on the year, though. Naturally, Memphis and Alcorn really gave him no problem from the pocket. Alcorn did give TR problems though. I would really like to see Ralph's completion rate while on the move though, because it seems that he is pretty damn accurate when on the move. In that case I would welcome him putting the ball in the air a little.
Saturday night, the gameplan was pretty much 3 yards and a cloud of dust, and it worked. We have watched Ballard emerge as a very good ball carrier, so I would imagine we will see a steady dose of Ballard and Relf to throw the ball more than he runs it early.
I doubt the coaching staff has much problem with motivation for UAB since it is the most important game of the season, with bowl eligibilty on the line and all.
Chris Relf 7 131.5 55-95-3 57.9 708 5 58 101.1
Tyler Russell 6 146.2 35-58-5 60.3 555 4 57 92.5
Relf is and should be our starter this year and next because of many reasons posted already. Some of you act as if he can't throw the ball at all. I will agree, while in that, if he throws another pass from the pocket against any SEC team the rest of the year it will be more than I care to see. He does have nearly a 60% completion rate on the year, though. Naturally, Memphis and Alcorn really gave him no problem from the pocket. Alcorn did give TR problems though. I would really like to see Ralph's completion rate while on the move though, because it seems that he is pretty damn accurate when on the move. In that case I would welcome him putting the ball in the air a little.
Saturday night, the gameplan was pretty much 3 yards and a cloud of dust, and it worked. We have watched Ballard emerge as a very good ball carrier, so I would imagine we will see a steady dose of Ballard and Relf to throw the ball more than he runs it early.
I doubt the coaching staff has much problem with motivation for UAB since it is the most important game of the season, with bowl eligibilty on the line and all.