Which streak is more impressive?

[capnbillhitters]

Help me out as a short timer in Illinois.

GW has now won 8 straight WSS titles as the smallest school in the conference. No school in the 90+ year history of the conference had ever won 6 straight. We are talking about at least 3 schools that put out high quality teams (LT, OPRF, HC) every year and a couple of others that are capable (York, DGN) of very good years. After PW next week, it will be 47 of 48 in those 8 years and 30 straight.

I see Maine South winning 73 straight in conference against teams that don't seem to be nearly the quality as WSS. Not calling out MS, just looking for some perspective on what I see as a ridiculous run.

 

[GEPreps]

DGN has a lower enrollment than GW and also beaten good WWS teams in the playoffs.

PW has also had competitive teams in the last ten years.

 

[mchsalumni]

I'm going to argue most years the WSC is not exactly a beast conference. Impressive? Absolutely. Better than a 73 game conference streak? No.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Ok I stand corrected on size issue. Next time I will be sure to bounce to ihsa to verify. But which streak is more impressive? Or are you recognizing your bias and taking a pass?

 

[mc140]

I'm going to argue most years the WSC is not exactly a beast conference. Impressive? Absolutely. Better than a 73 game conference streak? No.

This.

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

Driscoll's 7 straight consecutive state championships including a playoff run of winning 35 games in a row in the playoffs is the most impressive streak.

Rochester could be next???

 

[GEPreps]

Not really arguing one way or another, but small schools records are small school records and are not really in the same "class" as large school records.

Concerning the CS North over the last 15 years, what is the highest ranking or playoff run of the MS opponents?

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

Schools need to perform against other schools with similar enrollment levels. That's why there are classes. Driscoll and Rochester therefore have the most impressive streaks.

If larger schools don't have those streaks, then they are not performing as well against schools with similar enrollment levels.

Nuff said!

 

[GEPreps]

Montini and Driscoll are in a class of their own.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Driscoll's 7 straight consecutive state championships including a playoff run of winning 35 games in a row in the playoffs is the most impressive streak.

Rochester could be next???

I can't wrap my head around 7 state titles, so I will just try to contemplate these two streaks.

West Sub Silver has the following teams with, since 2008 season, the # of P.O. Qualifying Years and P.O. Victories over those 7 years:
HC - 7 Qualifying Yrs with 5 PO victories and a 2nd in 8A
OPRF has 4 Qual yrs with 2 PO victories (8A)
York has 3 Qual Yrs and 1 PO victory (8A)
Lyons has 6 Qual Yrs and 6 PO victories (8A)
DGN has 3 Qual Yrs and 6 PO victories (7A)
Prov W has 4 Qual Yrs and 1 PO victory

I would say very well rounded with all teams qualifying at least 3 times over last 7 years and every team getting at least 1 Playoff victory

Central Suburban South has the following schools with Qualifying Years and Playoff victories (eliminating MS as we are comparing their competition)
New Trier has 7 Qual Yrs and 3 PO victories (8A)
Evanston has 4 Qual Yrs and 0 PO victories (8A)
Glenbrk S has 7 Qual Yrs and 4 PO victories (8A)
Waukegan has 0 Qual Yrs and 0 PO victories
Niles West has 3 Qual Yrs and 0 PO victories

So out of a possible qualifying playoff appearances, the total are:
WSS - 27 out of 42 possible for 77% Qualifying Rate
CSS - 21 out of 35 for a 60% QR

Total Playoff Victories by Conference Foes
WSS - 21 - 15 8A victories and 6 7A victories for an Avg PO Victory per year of 3
CSS - 7 - 7 8A victories for an Avg PO Victory per year of 1

Of course there were some good teams in CSS back from the start of the MS streak, but I wanted to try to keep this bounded to the 8 years of West's run because I am a homer.

On paper, it looks like WSS is the tougher conference to win.

 

[SilverHelmets]

Help me out as a short timer in Illinois.

GW has now won 8 straight WSS titles as the smallest school in the conference. No school in the 90+ year history of the conference had ever won 6 straight. We are talking about at least 3 schools that put out high quality teams (LT, OPRF, HC) every year and a couple of others that are capable (York, DGN) of very good years. After PW next week, it will be 47 of 48 in those 8 years and 30 straight.

I see Maine South winning 73 straight in conference against teams that don't seem to be nearly the quality as WSS. Not calling out MS, just looking for some perspective on what I see as a ridiculous run.

Not losing a conference game in 15 years is more impressive. All it takes in one bad night or one amazing performance by the other team. Maine South has also won multiple state titles in that time period while the Hitters only have one. The Hawks playing in what you deem a weaker conference has not hurt them in the playoffs while West's supposed tougher conference clearly hasn't paid off for them in the playoffs.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Not losing a conference game in 15 years is more impressive. All it takes in one bad night or one amazing performance by the other team. Maine South has also won multiple state titles in that time period while the Hitters only have one. The Hawks playing in what you deem a weaker conference has not hurt them in the playoffs while West's supposed tougher conference clearly hasn't paid off for them in the playoffs.

Silver - I accept the argument that 73 straight is more impressive as the no down night thing is real. West has only won 46-47 over the 8 year span and they had one of those down nights (days) in 2010 and lost to LT, so I get the 73 games.

I will not give you that West has not performed in the playoffs. West has had 21 PO Victories in 7 years and 5 Semi appearances, 2 Title games and 1 title. MS had 3 Titles over the same period, but the last one was 5 years ago and they have not made the State Semi's since. Agreed, 3 titles is more that 1, but 5 Semi appearances is more than 3.

They both have had 21 PO victories during the last 7 years.

I can give you 73 is more impressive than 8 WSS titles, but won't give you MS playoff performance being far superior to GW, especially over the last 5 years.

 

[jdhitters]

Cap GBW has had a nice run and is playing well. Right niow they are competitve with anyone and we are really excited.. However, we are still only talking the last 8 years and of those, only two state appearances and 1 title. Let's enjoy the moment and bring a title home this year and hopefully the next several, instead of trying to compare GBW to everyone else. Without looking back at records, I bet several schools could boast of great strings:JC, Morris, ESL even playing up. MS did dominate the state for a few years. GBW might be on their way, but they are not there yet. Keep "win the day" in mind.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Cap GBW has had a nice run and is playing well. Right niow they are competitve with anyone and we are really excited.. However, we are still only talking the last 8 years and of those, only two state appearances and 1 title. Let's enjoy the moment and bring a title home this year and hopefully the next several, instead of trying to compare GBW to everyone else. Without looking back at records, I bet several schools could boast of great strings:JC, Morris, ESL even playing up. MS did dominate the state for a few years. GBW might be on their way, but they are not there yet. Keep "win the day" in mind.

I was specifically comparing two streaks, not GW vs the world.

Saturday's are boring when GW plays Friday night, so I wanted to stir the pot and get the juices flowing.

 

[jdhitters]

I was specifically comparing two streaks, not GW vs the world.

Saturday's are boring when GW plays Friday night, so I wanted to stir the pot and get the juices flowing.

Did you hear how jv did today?

 

[SilverHelmets]

Silver - I accept the argument that 73 straight is more impressive as the no down night thing is real. West has only won 46-47 over the 8 year span and they had one of those down nights (days) in 2010 and lost to LT, so I get the 73 games.

I will not give you that West has not performed in the playoffs. West has had 21 PO Victories in 7 years and 5 Semi appearances, 2 Title games and 1 title. MS had 3 Titles over the same period, but the last one was 5 years ago and they have not made the State Semi's since. Agreed, 3 titles is more that 1, but 5 Semi appearances is more than 3.

They both have had 21 PO victories during the last 7 years.

I can give you 73 is more impressive than 8 WSS titles, but won't give you MS playoff performance being far superior to GW, especially over the last 5 years.

Fair points but still the number of titles by MS is more impressive especially since most, if not all, were in 8A. The Hitters have typically been in 7A until last year. For all their regular season dominance, they should have been in more finals. Hetlett always seems to pass on 3 points and then the team fumbles in the red zone in those semifinals. Or maybe it is just when I am in attendance at Duchon in November. That and Terry Hawthorne have stopped them from several finals appearances. And the refs cost them the first finals against WWS

 

[capnbillhitters]

Did you hear how jv did today?

6-6 tie. West had 1st and goal @ 9 yd line in last minute. Just couldn't punch it in after 75 yd drive

 

[mchsalumni]

Silver - I accept the argument that 73 straight is more impressive as the no down night thing is real. West has only won 46-47 over the 8 year span and they had one of those down nights (days) in 2010 and lost to LT, so I get the 73 games.

I will not give you that West has not performed in the playoffs. West has had 21 PO Victories in 7 years and 5 Semi appearances, 2 Title games and 1 title. MS had 3 Titles over the same period, but the last one was 5 years ago and they have not made the State Semi's since. Agreed, 3 titles is more that 1, but 5 Semi appearances is more than 3.

They both have had 21 PO victories during the last 7 years.

I can give you 73 is more impressive than 8 WSS titles, but won't give you MS playoff performance being far superior to GW, especially over the last 5 years.

You changed the discussion here to fit your position, which could be stirring the pot or just a need for validation.

How about this: During the 73 game streak, MS would have crushed GBW during the first half, and GBW would gave crushed MS in the last 5 years.

Saturday validation for you?

 

[capnbillhitters]

You changed the discussion here to fit your position, which could be stirring the pot or just a need for validation.

How about this: During the 73 game streak, MS would have crushed GBW during the first half, and GBW would gave crushed MS in the last 5 years.

Saturday validation for you?

This is awesome Dr Freud. Do you think the patient is suffering from delusional paranoia or simply not receiving enough love from his mommy as a child?

Not sure I changed the topic. What I posited was which conference run was more impressive. As an effort to demonstrate strength of each conference, I cited record of members relative to state playoffs.

I agreed with Silver that 73 is likely more impressive based on the no bad day theory.

Yes I am seeking validation. I find 8 conference championships in the WSS to be amazing. But I did receive enough love from my mother and am only slightly delusional.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

This.

Agreed as well.

Hitters themselves are great, but until this year, the conference was not really among top.good, just not great relative to the wow factor of gw winning it consistently

 

[Mateesen14]

Let's look at the inverse. If GW was in CSL for past 15 years do they win every year? Do they stop Mendenhall brothers? Some very talented GBS teams that only losses were to undefeated state champ MS teams? Some good NT teams? The other side...any way MS goes 15 years undefeated in GW conference, from an MS alum. No, no way MS could go 15 years, could they go winning conference 8 years in a row.. Maybe. As much as CSL south is not DVC or CCL it is not garbage football and have some real football players, maybe not D 1, but football players

 

[SilverHelmets]

Let's look at the inverse. If GW was in CSL for past 15 years do they win every year? Do they stop Mendenhall brothers? Some very talented GBS teams that only losses were to undefeated state champ MS teams? Some good NT teams? The other side...any way MS goes 15 years undefeated in GW conference, from an MS alum. No, no way MS could go 15 years, could they go winning conference 8 years in a row.. Maybe. As much as CSL south is not DVC or CCL it is not garbage football and have some real football players, maybe not D 1, but football players

Great point. MS would have had a good chance of winning the last 8 conference titles in the WSC. No chance GW goes undefeated in the CSL the last 15 years as they had some lean years 10-15 years ago

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Help me out as a short timer in Illinois.

GW has now won 8 straight WSS titles as the smallest school in the conference. No school in the 90+ year history of the conference had ever won 6 straight. We are talking about at least 3 schools that put out high quality teams (LT, OPRF, HC) every year and a couple of others that are capable (York, DGN) of very good years. After PW next week, it will be 47 of 48 in those 8 years and 30 straight.

I see Maine South winning 73 straight in conference against teams that don't seem to be nearly the quality as WSS. Not calling out MS, just looking for some perspective on what I see as a ridiculous run.

I just recently stumbled across two very impressive streaks, neither of which are at the high school level. The Purple Raiders of the University of Mount Union have a streak of 120 straight regular season road victories. They also have 98 straight regular season victories home or away.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Mat14. I totally agree with your point. Hetlett has only been at GW for nine years and team prior to 2007 was mediocre to bad.

I do see where prior to 2008 GBS had so really good teams.

I appreciate the historical context. We short timers only see what has occurred since we arrived (2010).