It's not so much if you like the answer it's more if you respect the intelligence and attitude of the response. Not all are equal.
Who is the last UK QB who threw the deep ball as well as Johnson?
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It's not so much if you like the answer it's more if you respect the intelligence and attitude of the response. Not all are equal.
And I could care less if somebody thinks my Answers tone is not to their liking, or if a poster thinks it's unintelligent. My response is very true. Go back, watch tape. Conrad, Juice receive overthrown balls in the short pass, badet gets under thrown balls. I guess what I should say is, Johnson throws as good as woodson. there, fixed it for ya.SMH.
JLO had a gorgeous deep ball. His WRs were average compared to the WRs SJ and Woodson had. JLO had Abney, Tommy Cook, Aaron Boone, Lumley, Bernard and Glen Holt. Besides Aaron Boone and Abney (small target) Jlo didn't have much to work with.
He threw 78 Touchdown passes and for over 10,000 yards. Very few INTs outside of his Freshmen year. I could pull up numerous games where he wore out opposing SEC defenses only to have our sorry *** Defense give the game away
Just don't ask Johnson to throw an out route to his right. He seemed to miss those all year and any pass to Conrad for some reason. But he does throw a very nice deep ball.
Again, you really seem to miss the point.
The OP said Deep Ball.
This Smitty has definitley struggled all season, up to the UL game in my opinion with the short pass.
I agree Max threw a better short pass, but the post isn't about short passes or overall passing.
You attempted to change the subject.
Pundits and coaches have all agreed SJ's deep ball has been impressive.
If you want to discuss the other parts of his passing game just say so or start another thread. But to be honest the intermediary and short game inefficiencies have been discussed all season.
I disagree with this statement.
I believe it is more an improvement in SJ's production.
His short and intermediary game was not good - poor timing and touch passes were not his forte.
This caused many problems in 3rd down and red zone situations by limiting our playbook.
The posters didn't just wake up and realize SJ is pretty good all of a sudden, the kid - to his credit and the coaches - improved his game.
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Just a general statement regarding the board. Don't think it singles you out. Why should it?
It's almost as if people forget that SJ had a total of 49 passing yards against Vandy. Also 89 against Bama (but lots of good QBs would have bad games against them) 135 against USC, and 105 against UGa.
He also had some great games mixed in with NMSU, Miss St, Mizzou, and obviously UofL.
Stevie's season had its ups and downs, but through it all he has consistently thrown a great deep ball. He needs to fix his motion in the offseason to help with the short/intermediate throws. But his deep ball is on point. He consistently puts it right where it needs to be.
I didn't miss Anything. The question "Who was the last UK QB to throw the deep ball as well as Johnson". I answered Max Smith. Then I gave reasons Why. hmmmmm. Not that hard to understand. Methinks you just don't like my answer. That's OK.
Brianpoe I respect your posts...I agreed with Alot of your criticisms of coach stoops early in the season. But when the question was asked, I gave an honest answer. To me Stephen Johnson and Max throw the deep ball as well as the other. the short pass was off topic but I used it to father my point. I guess my point is Max had a weak arm, and so does Johnson. It's either that, or Johnson is not setting his feet before deep throws, wich I know he did in the UOL game and he did very well.
Tim Couch's NFL career was cut short by shoulder injuries. He was unfortunate enough to get drafted by the NFL's worst franchise. Cleveland's offensive line was awful, and Couch rapidly absorbed a brutal beating that ended his career prematurely. Talent-wise, he was easily the best quarterback we have had at Kentucky. But he played in a UK offensive system that was built on a foundation of short passes and did not really take full advantage of his incredible talent. He seldom threw deep, but you could see what made him special when he threw ropes right on Yeast's numbers in the intermediate seams of the secondary.
The one that comes to mind for me is Reece Phillips. The kid never got a chance in the real game, but at practice, it was said that he could hit a miniature elf sitting on top of the goal post from the oposite 70 yard line.
It really is a shame that he never got a real chance and the coaches played favorites to Smith when he came from where he cane from.
It really is a shame that he never got a real chance and the coaches played favorites to Smith when he came from where he cane from.
That's right. In October, people here were screaming for Steve Johnson to be benched and Gunnar Hoak to start. LOL! All college football players follow a learning curve. Johnson is a work in progress, with flaws in his throwing mechanics that Coach Hinshaw is working to fix. Johnson throws the deep ball better than the shorter slants and crosses because throwing deep passes is not as much of a test of mechanics. Johnson's deep passes are not coming in a pro set. These are play action passes that he checks to when the safety moves up into the box. Basically, Badet has been wide open. If these deep passes were being thrown into tight coverages, Johnson would not be completing them. However, Johnson threw far better in the Louisville game than he has thrown previously, indicating that Hinshaw is doing a great job with him. The 15 extra practices will help Johnson more than any other Kentucky player. By the time we play in our bowl game, Johnson should be a much better quarterback. But he is not in Woodson's or Couch's class. Not even close.
Interesting take, and I can appreciate your opinion within this context.
I am not sure that SJ and Max have equal "weak arms".
Although, we haven't really see the deep out pattern that must be thrown as a laser (between the cb and safety up the sideline).
The good thing is that SJ has improved, hopefully it continues with the added bowl game and an entire off season.
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Up until the UofL game, many of SJ's long balls the entire season resembled punts and were underthrown. His play against Louisville, however, in all aspects, was obviously fantastic. Accuracy has at no point been his strong suit, other than his last game. If that was any indication of the kind of quarterback he'll be next year, and with Snell there to keep defenses honest and most of our O-line returning, our offense should be even better. The intangibles were never an issue with SJ, but his QB skills needed improvement. He's a different QB now than he was most of the season and we're a different team now because of it. I can't wait to see how he looks in our bowl game.
