Who killed JonBenet Ramsey?

[MacCard]

118K. Amazing that an intruder with unknown DNA would know that.

It's not that amazing. If the intruder was in the house or stalking the family, he very easily could have seen a check stub or something on the counter or in the trash. These were the days before direct deposit or home shredding was all that common.

It seems more unlikely that someone trying to cover up a crime would use the exact amount of their last bonus.

 

[Lexie's Dad]

Am I mistaken or did that written note also contain a $ figure that was exactly what the father's bonus was?

And wasn't there no foot prints leading away (it was snowing)?

Could be wrong since it has been 20 years

Because the Angels were carrying him.

Eh, I'm one of the only people in the US who didn't know **** about this when it happened and didn't care. 20 years ago? I had just started my career and was trying very hard to not become the jaded, cynical, indifferent person I am today. I remember thinking then that I didn't care and that it was getting too much publicity. Today? I'd probably be interested in the "whodunnit" aspect.

I think Hillary killed her.

Or Trump.

Or Obama.

Or Bush.

Based on what I've read I'm wondering why the South Park police did the investigation.

 

[beltieboy_rivals376542]

Anybody who perpetually has this look...

...can't be discounted.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

or Z.

You really are the stalkingest creep I've ever encountered on the internet. You should have to send me royalties for how badly I own you.

 

[AustinTXCat]

You really are the stalkingest creep I've ever encountered on the internet. You should have to send me royalties for how badly I own you.

*yawn*

Next.....

 

[Clive Gollings]

I'm going with the mom.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

Mom didn't kill her and the father didn't as the mother would have given him up. Only person the mother covers for is the son. The son did it. That's why the mother wrote the half-assed ransom letter trying to cover for him. He probably saw some crazy **** on the internet and tried it out on her, kills her, then the mother tries to cover it all up.

To think an intruder would do that, then hang around in the house writing a ransom note... well you have to be a moron to believe that.

 

[Tannerdad]

Mom or someone that knew their way around the place.

 

[TortElvisII]

CBS show has me rethinking this. Killed by a maglite. Child could do that.

 

[Midway Cat]

I'm surprised there's so much disagreement on this one. I thought it was obvious that the brother did it and the parents covered for him.

 

[Bill Derington]

Z's right, on the CBS show it took the 4 hosts approx 22 minutes to simply copy the ransom note. We know it was written in the house, and that there was at least one practice note. So the supposed intruder took close to an hour or more writing the note? All the while the family is in the house, and presumably Jon Benet was still alive?

My wager is that the boy did it, not with the intention to kill her, but simply playing and he got carried away. The parents, made a decision, they had lost one child and didn't want to lose another, came up with the kidnap concoction.
They went to CNN before interviewing with the police to gain public support, the father and son are doing the same now on Dr Phil's show.

 

[UK_Dallas]

The first half of the CBS investigative show was very informative. Hopefully the second part tomorrow night is the same. They aren't coming right out and saying it but it seems they believe the brother did it and was covered up by the parents.

A few things that stood out to me:

- As stated above, it would have taken 30 minutes to an hour to complete the ransom letter. Is an intruder going to risk staying in the house that long?

- The ransom note paper and pen were placed back where they were normally found in the house. Again, would an intruder do that after taking time to find them?

- John was off the grid/disappeared for an hour and a half that morning. Was nervous when he got back. When it was suggested they search the house from top to bottom he went straight to the basement and the room she was found in. What stood out most was that he spotted his daughter wrapped up in a blanket in a dark room with only hallway light. Why would he go straight there and where did he disappear to earlier?

- The demonstration that showed a 10 year old boy could deliver a blow with the flashlight that could cause death.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Lenny Small

 

[UKserialkiller]

My wager is that the boy did it, not with the intention to kill her, but simply playing and he got carried away. The parents, made a decision, they had lost one child and didn't want to lose another, came up with the kidnap concoction.

Playing that late at night? Were they engaging in foul play?

My bet. The son was molesting her.

 

[Get Buckets]

The first half of the CBS investigative show was very informative. Hopefully the second part tomorrow night is the same. They aren't coming right out and saying it but it seems they believe the brother did it and was covered up by the parents.

A few things that stood out to me:

- As stated above, it would have taken 30 minutes to an hour to complete the ransom letter. Is an intruder going to risk staying in the house that long?

- The ransom note paper and pen were placed back where they were normally found in the house. Again, would an intruder do that after taking time to find them?

- John was off the grid/disappeared for an hour and a half that morning. Was nervous when he got back. When it was suggested they search the house from top to bottom he went straight to the basement and the room she was found in. What stood out most was that he spotted his daughter wrapped up in a blanket in a dark room with only hallway light. Why would he go straight there and where did he disappear to earlier?

- The demonstration that showed a 10 year old boy could deliver a blow with the flashlight that could cause death.

I don't disagree but the thing that I can't get beyond is the unidentified dna found on her.

 

[Bill Derington]

Playing that late at night? Were they engaging in foul play?

My bet. The son was molesting her.

In the sons interview with Dr Phil, Burke states that he and Jon Benet had been playing in the basement late that night, I'm thinking he said 11 PM.
None of the other shows had stated that, but that was from his mouth.

So if we start putting the things we know for certain together there just isn't enough time for anyone else but the family.

 

[Chuckinden]

So many "abnormal" things happened in the investigation. One that stands out is they let John carry the body up to the living room and put it on the floor, then move it again.

The 911 call where Patsy thinks she hung up the phone and says, "Okay, we've called the police, now what?" And then, an adult male says, "we are not speaking to you", then a female voice saying, "what did you do?" and a smaller voice says, "what did you find?".

A pathologist wanted to come to the house to look at the evidence and John refused. Called his pilot to prepare the plane to leave. The family was never interviewed at the scene. It would be months until they would allow an interview.

Such a terrible job by the police.

 

[UKserialkiller]

In the sons interview with Dr Phil, Burke states that he and Jon Benet had been playing in the basement late that night, I'm thinking he said 11 PM.
None of the other shows had stated that, but that was from his mouth.

So if we start putting the things we know for certain together there just isn't enough time for anyone else but the family.

Well, maybe he and his friend (the unidentified DNA, who he let sneak into the home) were raping and sexually abusing JonBenet

 

[Get Buckets]

The 911 call where Patsy thinks she hung up the phone and says, "Okay, we've called the police, now what?" And then, an adult male says, "we are not speaking to you", then a female voice saying, "what did you do?" and a smaller voice says, "what did you find?".

That didn't strike me as definitive at all.

 

[Chuckinden]

That didn't strike me as definitive at all.

No, not definitive, but certainly something to consider.

 

[UK_Dallas]

I don't disagree but the thing that I can't get beyond is the unidentified dna found on her.

Was it found on her or her clothes? I've heard it was trace DNA which could be from anyone that might have touched her clothes. Possibly a salesperson where the clothes were purchased.

 

[Chuckinden]

Was it found on her or her clothes? I've heard it was trace DNA which could be from anyone that might have touched her clothes. Possibly a salesperson where the clothes were purchased.

Could have come from anywhere, especially after the scene was contaminated like it was.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Chuckinden seems to know a lot about this case. I am assuming the "den" stands for Denver? Now, I'm not speculating, but where were you Chuck on the night of the murder?

 

[Get Buckets]

Was it found on her or her clothes? I've heard it was trace DNA which could be from anyone that might have touched her clothes. Possibly a salesperson where the clothes were purchased.

I thought it was blood. Either way it was found on the inside of her undergarments and on her pajamas I believe.

 

[UK_Dallas]

I thought it was blood. Either way it was found on the inside of her undergarments and on her pajamas I believe.

I'm hoping they cover that tonight. I missed the last 15 minutes of last nights episode on the DVR so hopefully they didn't already cover it.

 

[Bill Derington]

I thought it was blood. Either way it was found on the inside of her undergarments and on her pajamas I believe.

It was touch DNA, and it was from a Hispanic.
However, all we were told was that it was her favorite PJ's. Why woukd it be necessary to describe it as her favorite PJ's?
Since it was Christmas night it could easily be presumed she got them for Christmas, opened the pack that day, and wore them for the first time that night.
That could explain why Hispanic touch DNA was on them from when they were packaged.

That may seem far reaching, but the timelines just don't add up. Nor do the parents behavior that morning.

 

[MWes11]

Father, mother, or brother did it, imo. Might've been on accident, but one of them did it and they covered it up. Just can't see the intruder theory being possible.

One thing I don't get is why it took so damn long to find the body. As a parent, if your child is missing (or according to the note, been kidnapped), the first thing I would do is search every single square inch of that house right away to see if she is still in the house. I wouldn't wait 8 hours (or however long they waited) to start looking.

 

[UK_Dallas]

^ Because they knew where the body was the entire time.

 

[TortElvisII]

I never knew the DNA was touch DNA. I had just heard intruder DNA and believed it. I never followed this case closely. I worked in office where we had this weird lady secretary that was a Jehovah's Witness. Anyway, her email account was jonbenet@ something or other. That creeped me out.

Seems like I may need to change vote. I will wait until tonight.

The brother looks like Damien Thorne.

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

The brother probably did it by accident and parents covered for him. But I'm not ruling out the Clintons until i get verified clarification that JonBenet didn't have any ties to them.

 

[Get Buckets]

he brother probably did it by accident

Cause of death was blunt force object that spit her skull down the middle. Definitely possible the kid did it but not sure how it could be an accident.

 

[Bill Derington]

Cause of death was blunt force object that spit her skull down the middle. Definitely possible the kid did it but not sure how it could be an accident.

By accident I don't think he intended to kill her, just hit her hard on the head. Or he could just have been a warped kid, that was jealous of all the attention his sister got.

 

[wcc31]

Does anyone know anything about garrotes? Isn't that a very specific and odd murder weapon (or torture weapon)?

 

[MWes11]

Does anyone know anything about garrotes? Isn't that a very specific and odd murder weapon (or torture weapon)?

From how they were explaining it, you use some sort of string/cable and tie it around a stick, put it around victim's neck, and then keep turning it to tighten it. Eventually asphyxiating them to death. Seems like it would be a longer process to make the garrote and complete the process. If it were an intruder, i doubt they would take the time to enter the house, go get her from her bed, hit her over the head, molest her, make the garrote, use the garrote, stage a bowl of pineapple, write a 3 page note, and then leave out of the basement window. Doing this all without anyone in the house hearing.

 

[UK_Dallas]

It was the early days of the Internet so I'm not sure that investigators would have looked but I would have liked to see the search history from midnight to 5:00 in the morning.

The dad was also in the military. Not saying he knew how to do it but he could have known how to fashion a garrote from his military days.

 

[UK_Dallas]

From how they were explaining it, you use some sort of string/cable and tie it around a stick, put it around victim's neck, and then keep turning it to tighten it. Eventually asphyxiating them to death.

If a garrote was used like that it would cut into the skin and leave a mark or discoloration of the skin. Don't think there was any on her neck.

 

[wcc31]

If a garrote was used like that it would cut into the skin and leave a mark or discoloration of the skin. Don't think there was any on her neck.

Yes, there was, along with hair stuck in the thing and blood on it. IF the parents were trying to frame the scene to cover up an accident, they went above and beyond.

 

[bigblue11_rivals177692]

On the Dateline show a few weeks ago and another one on ID they said the autopsy stated the garrote was what killed her, not the flashlight. They also showed pics of her neck and it had severe bruising and marks.

 

[MWes11]

Yes, there was, along with hair stuck in the thing and blood on it. IF the parents were trying to frame the scene to cover up an accident, they went above and beyond.

Like others have said, I do think it was an accident (or maybe not) by one of the parents or brother, and they panicked and it spiraled out of control. Just my opinion.

 

[UK_Dallas]

Just looked at autopsy photos and you guys are correct. I don't suggest doing that btw.