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Looks like the BIG 12 schools are going to be together for awhile now that its pretty clear that the other conferences are not expanding.

So now its time to move on to adding schools and getting the highest possible values.

Who and how many?

Of course we won't know until they tell us.

Its really about getting the most value back and finding new media partners to make it happen.

Bowlsby needs to work triple time to try to maintain the power 5 status of the league with some politicking too.
 
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Buckaineer said:
Looks like the BIG 12 schools are going to be together for awhile now that its pretty clear that the other conferences are not expanding.

So now its time to move on to adding schools and getting the highest possible values.

Who and how many?

Of course we won't know until they tell us.

Its really about getting the most value back and finding new media partners to make it happen.

Bowlsby needs to work triple time to try to maintain the power 5 status of the league with some politicking too.
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Not one school from the AAU is coming to the Big12. Sometime over the next three years there will be Little8 programs going to P4 Conference or by 2025, if no P4s want any Little8 programs, the orphans will go wherever they can. Probably over to AAC.
 
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At 8 schools not sure you can play a CCG which adds value.

One school leaves and you don't have an NCAA conference.

Also have to schedule 5 OOC games--difficult to do with an Alliance out there and the SEC thinking they can just play each other.

They'll need more inventory to add value to media partners.
 
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Last I checked Big 12 has 10 teams for 5 more years. Unless they let them off the hook.

But if you're desperate to know.

Cincinnati
UCF
Memphis
BYU (but shouldn't be IMO)

Boise State is probably fifth or sixth on the list and will probably be left out. This would weaken the AAC.
 
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Last I checked Big 12 has 10 teams for 5 more years. Unless they let them off the hook.

But if you're desperate to know.

Cincinnati
UCF
Memphis
BYU (but shouldn't be IMO)

Boise State is probably fifth or sixth on the list and will probably be left out. This would weaken the AAC.
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And those still won’t increase our payout after OUT leaves
 
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The Big 12 is the same 10 member conference until June 30, 2025. That's when the GoR expires. The next day anyone can go wherever they can without penalty. WVU's take for those last four years total with tiers 1, 2, and 3 is about $196 million. UT and OK aren't going anywhere until July 1, 2025.

They will likely want to negotiate an early buyout after this season, but why would the conference do that? $40 million per year conference payout is not chicken feed. No one has even challenged a GoR, you'd be better off to challenge a mortgage contract.
 
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michaelwalkerbr said:
The Big 12 is the same 10 member conference until June 30, 2025. That's when the GoR expires. The next day anyone can go wherever they can without penalty. WVU's take for those last four years total with tiers 1, 2, and 3 is about $196 million. UT and OK aren't going anywhere until July 1, 2025.

They will likely want to negotiate an early buyout after this season, but why would the conference do that? $40 million per year conference payout is not chicken feed. No one has even challenged a GoR, you'd be better off to challenge a mortgage contract.
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The conference probably needs to expand. Its not looking as though the Big Ten, PAC or ACC have expansion plans at the current time. Don't know what 3 or 4 years will bring. B10 and PAC will already have their new tv deals at that time.

They are meeting next week with their media consultants which is necessary. They'll have to do new media deals BEFORE the exit of OU/UT. They'll need new members on hand to make that as successful a transition as possible.

The existing members can make it so that only they receive any exit/Gor payments that might happen.

Highly unlikely UT/OU stay beyond the required 18 months.
 
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No G5 is going to really raise our value, so if the Big12 does want to expand, don't expand on "brand" name.
 
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Buckaineer said:
The conference probably needs to expand. Its not looking as though the Big Ten, PAC or ACC have expansion plans at the current time. Don't know what 3 or 4 years will bring. B10 and PAC will already have their new tv deals at that time.

They are meeting next week with their media consultants which is necessary. They'll have to do new media deals BEFORE the exit of OU/UT. They'll need new members on hand to make that as successful a transition as possible.

The existing members can make it so that only they receive any exit/Gor payments that might happen.

Highly unlikely UT/OU stay beyond the required 18 months.
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You're not looking at the GoR. It's 46 months that the Big 12 owns the media rights whether a team pays an exit fee and leaves or not. If the Big 12 added members it would have to be effective either July 30, 2025 or a date set by a replacement GoR which means some media company has agreed to a new deal. Otherwise each school just gives them a piece of their pie. A new media deal has to come with it.

No way in hell WVU should share their coming $49 million with anyone. We have no idea what is going on behind closed doors with any conference. As far as G5 schools it's not like someone is going to snatch them up out from under us. Except for Notre Dame, there is no school anywhere that is available and adds more value than WVU.
 
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michaelwalkerbr said:
You're not looking at the GoR. It's 46 months that the Big 12 owns the media rights whether a team pays an exit fee and leaves or not. If the Big 12 added members it would have to be effective either July 30, 2025 or a date set by a replacement GoR which means some media company has agreed to a new deal. Otherwise each school just gives them a piece of their pie. A new media deal has to come with it.

No way in hell WVU should share their coming $49 million with anyone. We have no idea what is going on behind closed doors with any conference. As far as G5 schools it's not like someone is going to snatch them up out from under us. Except for Notre Dame, there is no school anywhere that is available and adds more value than WVU.
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The BIG 12 contract is not up until 2025.

So if new schools come in, they'll come in under the existing contract most likely getting pro rata shares.

The networks may not like that but they put the BIG 12 in a must add situation so something will have to be worked out.

New schools don't have to be entitled to anything the existing membership is. Look at the Big Ten, it took Nebraska YEARS to get full shares--UMD and Rutgers still haven't.
 
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Buckaineer said:
The BIG 12 contract is not up until 2025.

So if new schools come in, they'll come in under the existing contract most likely getting pro rata shares.

The networks may not like that but they put the BIG 12 in a must add situation so something will have to be worked out.

New schools don't have to be entitled to anything the existing membership is. Look at the Big Ten, it took Nebraska YEARS to get full shares--UMD and Rutgers still haven't.
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You may want to frame this, "I agree, you are right" :)
 
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IF expansion is in the best interest of WVU... UCF due to tv sets of their huge and growing alumni, Cinci due to their dedication to remain competitive, Memphis due to their growing market, and Navy due to their loyal fan base (tv sets). I'm on the fence about BYU over Navy.

However, Gordon Gee looks like he is playing his card of a no vote on expansion until WVU is in a stable conference.
 
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For your entertainment:

December 29, 2020 OK ST vs. MIA (ESPN)1.8 3.2
December 29, 2020 COL vs. TEX (ESPN)1.72.98
January 2, 2021 UK vs. NC ST (ESPN)1.72.71
 
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LHANDSDC said:
IF expansion is in the best interest of WVU... UCF due to tv sets of their huge and growing alumni, Cinci due to their dedication to remain competitive, Memphis due to their growing market, and Navy due to their loyal fan base (tv sets). I'm on the fence about BYU over Navy.

However, Gordon Gee looks like he is playing his card of a no vote on expansion until WVU is in a stable conference.
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UCF vs BYU drew 1.55 million viewers

WVU vs Army drew 3.75 million viewers
 
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michaelwalkerbr said:
You're not looking at the GoR. It's 46 months that the Big 12 owns the media rights whether a team pays an exit fee and leaves or not. If the Big 12 added members it would have to be effective either July 30, 2025 or a date set by a replacement GoR which means some media company has agreed to a new deal. Otherwise each school just gives them a piece of their pie. A new media deal has to come with it.

No way in hell WVU should share their coming $49 million with anyone. We have no idea what is going on behind closed doors with any conference. As far as G5 schools it's not like someone is going to snatch them up out from under us. Except for Notre Dame, there is no school anywhere that is available and adds more value than WVU.
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Ummm yeah we actually do know what‘s going on behind closed doors with the P4s. SEC added two huge Blue Blood Universities. The PAC12 said they weren’t expanding, ie no program worthwhile outside of ND or other P4 programs. Lastly the ACC, BigTen and PAC12 drew a line in the sand and said **** you to the SEC with an alliance that gives them a voting block that forces the SEC to play nice or breakout completely on their own that would all but make them a regional NFL minor league football feeder league.
 
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I read some where that the Big 12 deal with Fox requires 10 members and a reduction would cancel the deal. Add UCF and Cincinnati and call it a day.

Come to think about it, I probably read that here, so never mind. It was more than likely just BS.
 
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