Who was the worst qb since
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it's Money Mike, and there is no 2nd place. That midget not only didn't belong in the SEC, he didn't belong in the Gulf South Conference. Not only did he have no talent, but he was fragile, and on top of all that, a crybaby. He should've been a walk-on on the punt coverage team.
it was Hening that threw six picks.
Fant was a very good QB with HIDEOUS receivers. There was a point where Madkin and Fant had been putting the ball on the money and the f'n recevivers treated it like a hand grenade.
CAREER LEADERS, TOTAL OFFENSE:
1. Don Smith, 7097
2. John Bond, 6901
3. Wayne Madkin, 6482
4. Kevin Fant, 5424
5. Derrick Taite, 5405
CAREER PASSING LEADERS:
1. Wayne Madkin, 6336
2. Kevin Fant, 5631
3. Derrick Taite, 5232
4. Don Smith, 5229
5. John Bond, 4621
To say Fant is the worst, you're either ignorant or stupid.
Kevin Fant as the worst? Are you F-ing stupid? Did you not watch any of the QBs under Crooms? All of them are horrible. The QBs under Crooms have been so damn bad a lot of people believe Tyson Lee is good.</p>
if you say starting QB, I've got to go with Henig. He was the absolute worst QB to even try running a pro-style offense with, or well any other offense. He tried to throw everything so damn hard- even a screen pass. Then he would force the ball because he trusted his arm strength too much and it would get picked. He had no touch at all.
Now if you're talking about scholarship QB, it would have to be Ty Evans. I seriously believe that I could have done as well as Ty. You're talking about a guy who had no business being D-III, much less SEC. His Dad must have known Rockey or something because there is no way anyone could have misevaluated talent like that. He couldn't get it past the line of scrimmage.
Now if you're talking about scholarship QB, it would have to be Ty Evans. I seriously believe that I could have done as well as Ty. You're talking about a guy who had no business being D-III, much less SEC. His Dad must have known Rockey or something because there is no way anyone could have misevaluated talent like that. He couldn't get it past the line of scrimmage.
He had bad recievers, no line, etc. and etc. The tire thing wasn't his fault. He skipped two weeks of practice because somebody hurt his feelings. That ain't his fault; "I'd of done the same thing."
I'm sorry, but I think he really hurt our program. This prima dona act he pulled is not the kind of leadership we need from our quarterbacks. I trace our swirl into total **** to the day JWS gave into the fans and kept Madkin of the bench in favor of Fant. Madkin got hurt and made it convenient, but the shouts of those wanting to trade our 10 win qb for the one with the pretty spiral had gotten pretty loud.
I think people ought to look at the record.
I'm sorry, but I think he really hurt our program. This prima dona act he pulled is not the kind of leadership we need from our quarterbacks. I trace our swirl into total **** to the day JWS gave into the fans and kept Madkin of the bench in favor of Fant. Madkin got hurt and made it convenient, but the shouts of those wanting to trade our 10 win qb for the one with the pretty spiral had gotten pretty loud.
I think people ought to look at the record.
He was such a forgettable QB and when he may have come into a game I was either passed out from the MSU football drinking game or had just quit watching/caring.
Fant did have two of the best games by an MSU QB that I have ever seen- Against Ole Miss and BYU in 2001.
Fant went 14-21 for 263 and a TD and 0 INT and outplayed Eli Manning, a future first round pick in the NFL draft, and then he had a 20-28 with 346 yards and 3 TD's and 1 INT vs BYU, a game where we put up 38 points on the board.
Unlike Henig, who even in his good games, would usually throw at least a pick 6 and finish below 50% on his completion PCT.
There is also some merit to the claim that he had no o-line, bad WR's, bad RB's and no defense.
Fant went 14-21 for 263 and a TD and 0 INT and outplayed Eli Manning, a future first round pick in the NFL draft, and then he had a 20-28 with 346 yards and 3 TD's and 1 INT vs BYU, a game where we put up 38 points on the board.
Unlike Henig, who even in his good games, would usually throw at least a pick 6 and finish below 50% on his completion PCT.
There is also some merit to the claim that he had no o-line, bad WR's, bad RB's and no defense.
That's why you are one of my favorite posters on this board. I post from emotion and memory, which makes my facts murky sometimes. Those were great performances, although I also remember Fant throwing some horrible int's. I also feel that a superior quarterback makes his receivers better, especially as they play together more and more.
I'm am probably unjusifyably strong in my anti-Fant stance. One of the reasons is that the comparison is always made to Madkin, and it seems to me that many fans dismiss Madkin's accomplishments as luck, or always suggest that he should have been better.
So my question to you is what do you think of Madkin? What games did he lose that he should have won, and vice versa? And where do you rank "number 9" (as Jackie used to call him) among MSU quarterbacks? I'm getting ready to go super bowling, but I'll be interested to see what you say, if you are generous enough to take the trouble, when I get home.
I hope your team wins today, Bulldog fans.
I'm am probably unjusifyably strong in my anti-Fant stance. One of the reasons is that the comparison is always made to Madkin, and it seems to me that many fans dismiss Madkin's accomplishments as luck, or always suggest that he should have been better.
So my question to you is what do you think of Madkin? What games did he lose that he should have won, and vice versa? And where do you rank "number 9" (as Jackie used to call him) among MSU quarterbacks? I'm getting ready to go super bowling, but I'll be interested to see what you say, if you are generous enough to take the trouble, when I get home.
I hope your team wins today, Bulldog fans.
Rutland is easily the worst QB to start an SEC game this decade. He couldn't even win the job at Jackson State...
is the worst starting QB we've had in my memory. He had no redeeming qualities other than being generally considered a good guy. At least Henig had a pretty strong arm and couple of big wins. He was the perfect trifecta of inaccurate, weak-armed, and painfully slow.
Of course her attitude may have been influenced by the the fact that the guy she was dating and I were talking about how ****** her brother was at QB within earshot of her at an Astros game.
Poor thing never defended her brother though. Bless her heart.
Poor thing never defended her brother though. Bless her heart.
of playing opposite of the #1 defense in the country. He was frustrating to watch, we would get behind after going 3 and out several times then our defense just kept getting the ball and we would eventually score. Now the Florida game in 2000 I think it was, it seemed he had come into his own. But then again, having that defense and two running backs go over 100 yards helped. That said, he wasn't bad, but not great, just serviceable.
Fant did suffer from some bad o lines and receivers and didn't have the defense Madkin did. Once again, other than those two performances mentioned above, he wasn't bad or great, just serviceable.
Fant did suffer from some bad o lines and receivers and didn't have the defense Madkin did. Once again, other than those two performances mentioned above, he wasn't bad or great, just serviceable.
Fant was a better QB than Madkin. If Fant could have been the QB in 1999, we would have been undefeated heading into the bowl game. Fant tried to do what he could as we were sliding downhill, and he made some mistakes. But talent-wise and making throws, Madkin wasnt close to Fant.
Madkin benefitted from some awesome damn players around him. Fant never had anything close to the number 1 defense in the nation like Madkin did in 1999.
Madkin lost the SEC Championship game for us in 1998...he missed Prentiss wide open for TD's 3 different times...He gets somewhat of a pass because he was a Freshman, but the fact remains.
You give Fant the running game that Madkin had, plus that defense, and his career turns out very differently
Madkin benefitted from some awesome damn players around him. Fant never had anything close to the number 1 defense in the nation like Madkin did in 1999.
Madkin lost the SEC Championship game for us in 1998...he missed Prentiss wide open for TD's 3 different times...He gets somewhat of a pass because he was a Freshman, but the fact remains.
You give Fant the running game that Madkin had, plus that defense, and his career turns out very differently
Hands down. He played maybe 3 plays, and had one pass called. all the WRs lined up to his left, he drops back, and LOOKED TO THE RIGHT where there wasn't a single damn WR. Retarded.
KP, Kelvin Love, Kevin Cooper, Grindle, Matt Butler for Madkin. Justin Jenkins and **** for Fant.
Wanted him to be at the bottom of the depth chart behind 17ing Relf instead of putting him 2nd or competing with Carroll when he came back from his ACL injury. He told Crxxms he could 17 himself, he'd go play somewhere else.
He led us to the Cotton Bowl and SEC West Championship as a RS Fr., and then helped us to the Peach Bowl the next year, and then won the Snow Bowl. We had a great set-up in 99 because we had Wyatt who was a good relief QB, because it was obvious that Madkin was the better athlete, but Wyatt could come in and spark us if Madkin got cold.
I do think he got kind of a raw deal at the time in 01, but I remember when he came back as an honorary captain a couple of years ago and got a huge ovation. So, I think he is generally well thought of as a player.
The difference between Fant and Madkin to me is that Madkin was an athlete playing QB and Fant was a QB who was athletic, if that makes sense.
I give Madkin credit for 98 vs Arkansas, 99 vs Ole Miss, the 99 Peach Bowl, 00 vs Florida, and the Snow Bowl were probably his highlights for his career, games where he really stood out. It's kind of hard for me to find fault on one player for losing any game, and that includes Madkin. If I 'm going to call him out for a game, I'll call him out for losing to Troy State in 2001. He was a senior that year, and he had a horrible game against them. Again, it's hard for me to put all of that on him.
I've been an MSU football fan since 1991, and the best QB I've seen in that time at MSU was Sleepy Robinson. It's hard to rank MSU QB's because many of them were so bad, you really get into splitting hairs. The best way to do it is stats and team accomplishments
But I'll try:
Sleepy Robinson
Wayne Madkin
Derrick Taite
Kevin Fant
Omarr Conner- really he was just as tragic as Fant in some ways.
Matt Wyatt
Todd Jordan
Tyson Lee- may move up past Wyatt and Jordan next year
Josh Riddell
Wes Carroll
Greg Plump - couldn't stand him.
Mike Henig
Rob Morgan
Kyle York
Tray Rutland
Favorite Walk-on Legend- Mike "The Polish Rifle" Pizinski.
I do think he got kind of a raw deal at the time in 01, but I remember when he came back as an honorary captain a couple of years ago and got a huge ovation. So, I think he is generally well thought of as a player.
The difference between Fant and Madkin to me is that Madkin was an athlete playing QB and Fant was a QB who was athletic, if that makes sense.
I give Madkin credit for 98 vs Arkansas, 99 vs Ole Miss, the 99 Peach Bowl, 00 vs Florida, and the Snow Bowl were probably his highlights for his career, games where he really stood out. It's kind of hard for me to find fault on one player for losing any game, and that includes Madkin. If I 'm going to call him out for a game, I'll call him out for losing to Troy State in 2001. He was a senior that year, and he had a horrible game against them. Again, it's hard for me to put all of that on him.
I've been an MSU football fan since 1991, and the best QB I've seen in that time at MSU was Sleepy Robinson. It's hard to rank MSU QB's because many of them were so bad, you really get into splitting hairs. The best way to do it is stats and team accomplishments
But I'll try:
Sleepy Robinson
Wayne Madkin
Derrick Taite
Kevin Fant
Omarr Conner- really he was just as tragic as Fant in some ways.
Matt Wyatt
Todd Jordan
Tyson Lee- may move up past Wyatt and Jordan next year
Josh Riddell
Wes Carroll
Greg Plump - couldn't stand him.
Mike Henig
Rob Morgan
Kyle York
Tray Rutland
Favorite Walk-on Legend- Mike "The Polish Rifle" Pizinski.
You don't get to better because you woulda... if... either you did or you didn't. And Fant didn't for the most part. OK so his line wasn't great and his WRs weren't great. That's life. It happens sometime. Fant had better potential and looked better in a passing drill but for what actually happened on the field, Fant can't hold Madkin's jock.
I've never seen a player get so much undeserved praise. It's not like he was great on a bad team. He was mostly average and sometimes horrible. So he had 2 great games, who gives a ****. He threw 5 interceptions against Houston (at least) and most of them were of the "what the f!ck were you thinking" variety. He was the king of 3 great passes then one bonehead interception. He was a turnover machine. If you could place prop bets on college football they wouldn't even post a line for Fant turning the ball over in a game. It was automatic.
I've never seen a player get so much undeserved praise. It's not like he was great on a bad team. He was mostly average and sometimes horrible. So he had 2 great games, who gives a ****. He threw 5 interceptions against Houston (at least) and most of them were of the "what the f!ck were you thinking" variety. He was the king of 3 great passes then one bonehead interception. He was a turnover machine. If you could place prop bets on college football they wouldn't even post a line for Fant turning the ball over in a game. It was automatic.
Dinkle said:
is that he has developed several QB's including one of Bowling Green's better QB's, Alex Smith, and has helped Chris Leak and has really done a good job with developing Tim Tebow.