They are a legitimately good team. I am not saying that they could compete in the SEC, but I think they could win probably any other conference in the country. They've beaten the best from the ACC, the Pac10, and the Big 12. I think they deserve a shot at the title. What more do they have to do? Nobody wants to play them.
Why all the Boise hate?
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They are a legitimately good team. I am not saying that they could compete in the SEC, but I think they could win probably any other conference in the country. They've beaten the best from the ACC, the Pac10, and the Big 12. I think they deserve a shot at the title. What more do they have to do? Nobody wants to play them.
There are no less than 30 teams that could go undefeated with their schedule. Virginia Tech is a tough opener, but its the only game they play against a decent team all year. They will probably be in the national championship game while the one loss SEC champion destroys another BCS buster/overrated Big East team in the Sugar Bowl, a la Florida/Cincy and Georgia/Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm
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</div><div>The Sagarin predictor, an objective mathematical formula which takes into account strength of schedule and how each team performs vs. the average of teams against that opponent, finds that Boise State likely would have beaten all SEC teams handily last season except for Florida and Alabama. It will take a while to get this year's numbers, but I imagine they'll be similar.</div>
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</div><div>The Sagarin predictor, an objective mathematical formula which takes into account strength of schedule and how each team performs vs. the average of teams against that opponent, finds that Boise State likely would have beaten all SEC teams handily last season except for Florida and Alabama. It will take a while to get this year's numbers, but I imagine they'll be similar.</div>
but there is such a thing as "being up for games" and when you play one good team a year you know which game you have to be up for. and if you win that game and beat a bunch of crappy teams pretty badly then your "objective mathematical formula" inflates that team
They are a excellent team. The two things I think are an issue is there secondary and maybe their depth. A team with a good down field attack could destroy them. They play that attacking defense, but those corners can't cover well enough if the opponent can take advantage of that. There first string is excellent. When they tired out, they did not seem to have people to put in place and take some snaps.
Questioning if they could be in the SEC is idiotic. They would compete for a title in the SEC. They would not be favorites, but they would easily be the 3rd to 5th best as a healthy team. They could pull an upset on Alabama or Florida.
Questioning if they could be in the SEC is idiotic. They would compete for a title in the SEC. They would not be favorites, but they would easily be the 3rd to 5th best as a healthy team. They could pull an upset on Alabama or Florida.
No team is up for all 12 games. You're going to have games where you're higher than others, and it's easier if you have a bigger gap between your biggest games and the rest of your games.
The toughest part of the SEC schedule is not getting up to play Florida or Alabama or LSU. It's still being up enough to beat Auburn, South Carolina, or Kentucky in the weeks following.
That said, that's why I'm a proponent of a playoff big time. Teams like Boise deserve a shot. Do they deserve a shot in a 2 team format? That's tougher to argue because those slots are so precious, but Boise and TCU deserve a shot in an 8 team or 16 team format for sure, and more importantly they would get it. Would they be able to stand up to 3 or 4 weeks of top level competition in a row? Many say no, but how do we know they wouldn't? We don't unless they were given that shot, and a playoff would give them that shot.
The toughest part of the SEC schedule is not getting up to play Florida or Alabama or LSU. It's still being up enough to beat Auburn, South Carolina, or Kentucky in the weeks following.
That said, that's why I'm a proponent of a playoff big time. Teams like Boise deserve a shot. Do they deserve a shot in a 2 team format? That's tougher to argue because those slots are so precious, but Boise and TCU deserve a shot in an 8 team or 16 team format for sure, and more importantly they would get it. Would they be able to stand up to 3 or 4 weeks of top level competition in a row? Many say no, but how do we know they wouldn't? We don't unless they were given that shot, and a playoff would give them that shot.
and give a good BJ to the Pac-10 (12) commissioner and join that conference.
Then we'd never have to hear how they don't play a good schedule.
Oh wait, they won't do that because they'd lose 3 or 4 games a year.
Then we'd never have to hear how they don't play a good schedule.
Oh wait, they won't do that because they'd lose 3 or 4 games a year.
They join a respected conference. Just like somebody said, they are going to schedule their way into another BCS bowl.
There just isn't enough talent all season long that they play to justify them as the best team in the nation. Yes, they probably won't lose another game, unless O. State, Nevada or Fresno by some miracle beats them. They just don't play enough talent...
V. Tech was a big win, I'll give them that.
There just isn't enough talent all season long that they play to justify them as the best team in the nation. Yes, they probably won't lose another game, unless O. State, Nevada or Fresno by some miracle beats them. They just don't play enough talent...
V. Tech was a big win, I'll give them that.
every time. I think they deserve a shot at the NC. I don't think they would beat Alabama, but if anybody has proven they deserve a chance it's Boise.
They already did that and the Pac-10 refuses to even consider taking them. They want to join the Pac-12 or Big 12 (10) but aren't allowed.
Let me ask, if Louisiana Tech were to go undefeated, do they deserve a shot at the MNC? The answer is hell no! Why not? They play in the same conference as Boise State. They practically have the same schedule as Boise State. But they have not dominated this past decade like Boise has, right?
OK now let me ask if MSU goes undefeated, do we deserve a shot? We haven't dominated a damn thing over the past decade. But you best believe we would have more consideration than LaTech. Its all about the conference you play in, that is why there are BCS conferences.
I understand that Boise has been great over the past 8 years, and nobody is taking that away from them. But you don't win championships for your achievements over the decade. They just do not play a tough enough schedule to be awarded the MNC.
OK now let me ask if MSU goes undefeated, do we deserve a shot? We haven't dominated a damn thing over the past decade. But you best believe we would have more consideration than LaTech. Its all about the conference you play in, that is why there are BCS conferences.
I understand that Boise has been great over the past 8 years, and nobody is taking that away from them. But you don't win championships for your achievements over the decade. They just do not play a tough enough schedule to be awarded the MNC.
At the end of the year if Boise is #2, whoever is #3 will be bitching, but they could have signed up to play Boise in the regular season. I hope Boise does make it to the NC Game. Then maybe the big boys will decide that a plus-one scenario is in their best interest.
No one in their right mind would consider Louisiana Tech for a BCS game much less a spot in the national championship game if they were to go undefeated. And if we were to go undefeated this year, we'd get the "But its Mississippi State" treatment because we were on Croom Probation for half the last decade.
This is why we need a true, 16 team playoff, in which all 11 conference champions get a spot, and the top five at-large teams based on the BCS formula. If Boise State wants a shot at a national championship. Let them beat Ohio State, Texas, Florida and Alabama in consecutive weeks. My guess is that most years they would be one and done, and once every 6-8 years, they could pull one or two wins in a playoff like that. No way they can go through a four game gauntlet like that.
They looked good last night, and will likely go unbeaten, but if they get an SEC team in Glendale, it could be ugly. If they get Ohio State, I think they could win and the fellatio would continue.
This is why we need a true, 16 team playoff, in which all 11 conference champions get a spot, and the top five at-large teams based on the BCS formula. If Boise State wants a shot at a national championship. Let them beat Ohio State, Texas, Florida and Alabama in consecutive weeks. My guess is that most years they would be one and done, and once every 6-8 years, they could pull one or two wins in a playoff like that. No way they can go through a four game gauntlet like that.
They looked good last night, and will likely go unbeaten, but if they get an SEC team in Glendale, it could be ugly. If they get Ohio State, I think they could win and the fellatio would continue.
but it's not because of the conference.<div>
</div><div>It's because La Tech filled up its nonconference with Grambling, Navy, Southern Miss, and @Texas A&M. The win over aTm would probably be a top 25 road win, which is pretty impressive, but nothing else on the non-conference front speaks volumes.</div><div>
</div><div>Boise State scheduled the best it could (with everyone so afraid of them) and still got a top-10 road (technically neutral, but come on), and a top-20 home game. La Tech wouldn't have the similar quality wins to compare. La Tech going undefeated this year would compare to Hawai'i back in Colt Brennan's senior year.</div>
</div><div>It's because La Tech filled up its nonconference with Grambling, Navy, Southern Miss, and @Texas A&M. The win over aTm would probably be a top 25 road win, which is pretty impressive, but nothing else on the non-conference front speaks volumes.</div><div>
</div><div>Boise State scheduled the best it could (with everyone so afraid of them) and still got a top-10 road (technically neutral, but come on), and a top-20 home game. La Tech wouldn't have the similar quality wins to compare. La Tech going undefeated this year would compare to Hawai'i back in Colt Brennan's senior year.</div>
Let's take another non-BCS school.
East Carolina's non conference schedule is Va Tech, North Carolina, NC State and Navy. Now if they go undefeated do they get a shot at the title? No.
Boise's non conference is Va Tech, Oregon State, Wyoming and Toledo.
I would give the edge to ECU but their conference schedule is still not enough to get them to the MNC.
East Carolina's non conference schedule is Va Tech, North Carolina, NC State and Navy. Now if they go undefeated do they get a shot at the title? No.
Boise's non conference is Va Tech, Oregon State, Wyoming and Toledo.
I would give the edge to ECU but their conference schedule is still not enough to get them to the MNC.
I hear this all the time. "WAHH! Nobody wants to play us." Well, you can change that Boise if you follow the Bobby Bowden example at FSU. Go play anyone, anywhere, anytime (wait, where have I heard that before?) and don't ***** about not getting a return game. EVENTUALLY you will get home and home series. <div>
</div><div>And this whole, "Well they can only play the schedule their given. It's not their fault the WAC sucks." is crap. I look at it this way. Boise sees the WAC as such a detriment to their argument that they are LEAVING the conference. If they see it that way, why shouldn't the rest of the nation hold it against them?</div>
</div><div>And this whole, "Well they can only play the schedule their given. It's not their fault the WAC sucks." is crap. I look at it this way. Boise sees the WAC as such a detriment to their argument that they are LEAVING the conference. If they see it that way, why shouldn't the rest of the nation hold it against them?</div>