Why did Ray call that last timeout tonight.
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To set his defense and to sub in someone. Roquez I think. I don't have a problem with that time out, especially with a young team like this. I even thought we had a pretty good plan to pressure the ball while keeping Hickey in front of us. He got past Bloodman just enough and Roquez couldn't alter the shot enough.
I am from a different school of thought. Call the TO for offense, never for defense, especially at home.
I think it depends on time a little bit. With 7 seconds left, I would rather be able to make them work to get a shot. I would have had no problem playing it out though, especially since they had no timeouts.
None of that had happened when the time out was called. Ray called it as soon as Bloodman hit the shot, obviously. Point being that he didn't know what was developing at mid court when he called time out.
Yeah, I agree. He set the D and doubled their ballhandler- we just couldnt stop him. It wasnt like LSU drew up some great play
They would have scored alot easier if he hadnt- they had the ball at halfcourt on the inbound pass
Well whatever defense he called was **** because Hickey went coast to coast for basically a layup. I'm never a fan of calling timeouts on defense. Just lets LSU set up what they want to do on offense instead of being in a scramble type panic situation.
I think the fact that LSU didn't have a TO put them at a disadvantage. I bet Jones was pleasantly surprised when he realized he had a chance to draw something up to get the ball in Hickey's hands. He's the only guy on that team that can make that play.
it will be interesting to see what Coach Ray does the next time he is in that situation.
on a positive note, I liked the clear out on the go ahead basket. That was well executed,
Put down the Red Zin...
Maybe the timeline. That TO cost us the game. Even if they scored we might have still had a TO and time left on he clock to draw up a play. Picket fence and all....
Maybe the timeline. That TO cost us the game. Even if they scored we might have still had a TO and time left on he clock to draw up a play. Picket fence and all....
I thought he subbed someone in too though I may be wrong. As Yogi Berra said: "hindsight is 50/50".....
That TO should have been inconsequential....
We couldn't buy a free throw in the 2nd half. We can barely sub guys in, so that probably had a lot to do with it. But, we had been in the double bonus for a while and that should have been enough.
Regardless, to have even had a chance to win these past two games seems to be lost on some people. We barely have a starting 5. And, it's far from a dream team.
We couldn't buy a free throw in the 2nd half. We can barely sub guys in, so that probably had a lot to do with it. But, we had been in the double bonus for a while and that should have been enough.
Regardless, to have even had a chance to win these past two games seems to be lost on some people. We barely have a starting 5. And, it's far from a dream team.
Nope. Bricking the free throws down the stretch did us in. If chicken makes one it puts us up by 3 possessions. Pretty cleared needed that extra cushion at the end.
Free throws are the one thing you have complete control over in a game (shooting them, that is). With us struggling in other areas, we need to take advantage of opportunities that we control.
I don't know when the timeout was called... but this is what I saw. This is right after the ball is thrown in so after timeout is called. But my opinion watching it live was that we were screwed if it wasn't called. Bloodman is on the ground, Steele can't quite get to the ball because he has to avoid Bloodman, and Johnson is not on his man.
It appears it was actually a bad pass and the LSU player is having to stop & wait on it. If it had been a better pass it's easy 2 on 1.
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It appears it was actually a bad pass and the LSU player is having to stop & wait on it. If it had been a better pass it's easy 2 on 1.
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He shouldn't have called timeout. He panicked. It's an example of a young coach unfamiliar with the situation overcoaching. He will get better in these situations. Other than that one call, I like just about everything else he did in the game. Our zone defense was giving them fits.
Doesnt matter now but LSU had a layup ....
had the TO not been called. Even though LSU had no timeouts I still believe it was the right call by Ray. Many times LSU had beaten us down the court after a made basket and they were about to do it again when the TO was called. Watch the replay at the end. You will see. We lost the game at the free throw line...missed 6 in a row down the stretch....got to hit them.
had the TO not been called. Even though LSU had no timeouts I still believe it was the right call by Ray. Many times LSU had beaten us down the court after a made basket and they were about to do it again when the TO was called. Watch the replay at the end. You will see. We lost the game at the free throw line...missed 6 in a row down the stretch....got to hit them.
This is a call....
that gets criticized after the fact if the other team scores no matter which call you make. There is often not an obvious right or wrong answer. Ray said on the post game show that he didn't feel our defenders were on the right guys or in position so he called time out.
that gets criticized after the fact if the other team scores no matter which call you make. There is often not an obvious right or wrong answer. Ray said on the post game show that he didn't feel our defenders were on the right guys or in position so he called time out.
I don't buy this. He was calling timeout as soon as we hit our go ahead basket. And I don't buy that he gets criticized if he doesn't call a timeout there and they score. Calling a timeout there is very against the book. He made a mistake in an otherwise well coached game.
This is spot on. He didn't have time to survey the court before calling that TO. As you said, he called that as soon as he saw the ball go in the basket.
And I also agree there is no second guessing if he doesn't call the TO and LSU.
It was the wrong call. As I stated earlier, we'll see if he learned from it next time he is in that situation.
Olblue has weighed in...debate is over, guys. You can stop posting now.
By the way, I agree that, if they scored, he would have been second guessed by some no matter which call he made.
Well, I've seen coaches at the pro and college level do different things in that situation, so there is obviously not a consensus right or wrong answer.
I agree with you...it is a judgement call in the heat of the moment - no absolute right or wrong call. The outcome will determine the second guessing.
And my comment about OlBlue was sarcastice...I guess I should have noted that with **.