isn't the Constitution pretty clear about religious freedoms? What this act is is nothing more than fundamentalist Christians being given carte blanche to impose their beliefs on others-especially in the business world without any legal recourse. I'm glad people are finally standing up to the obvious bigotry of the fundy GOP wingnuts.
Why do people think we need a "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" to begin
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Will Chic-Fil-A now have to be open on Sunday's?
It's well documented that I'm not a faithful follower of the Jesus, but even I can see Christians have had their beliefs compromised by progressive movements.
I don't know where to draw the line on this and am more of a proponent of letting the market figure it out. I'm saying that as a strong advocate for gay rights and gay marriage but I have a hard time with te Government getting involved into private business dealings. This isn't an institutional thing like Jim Crow was. There are other options out there if 1 business chooses to not support it. With that said, as a business owner, I can't fathom a scenario where you would ever invite negative press or turn down a sale.
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It's well documented that I'm not a faithful follower of the Jesus, but even I can see Christians have had their beliefs compromised by progressive movements.
I don't know where to draw the line on this and am more of a proponent of letting the market figure it out. I'm saying that as a strong advocate for gay rights and gay marriage but I have a hard time with te Government getting involved into private business dealings. This isn't an institutional thing like Jim Crow was. There are other options out there if 1 business chooses to not support it. With that said, as a business owner, I can't fathom a scenario where you would ever invite negative press or turn down a sale.
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How can anyone have beliefs compromised by an outside force?
Beliefs are just that. Nobody else can affect them. What "progressive movements" have adversely affected religious people's right to practice their religion? We live in a country with a secular government. It was formed that way by design. And most religious people revere the people who founded our country who implemented the system of separation of church and state. This is more.... cram it down their throats... by the religious right in this country.
Beliefs are just that. Nobody else can affect them. What "progressive movements" have adversely affected religious people's right to practice their religion? We live in a country with a secular government. It was formed that way by design. And most religious people revere the people who founded our country who implemented the system of separation of church and state. This is more.... cram it down their throats... by the religious right in this country.
"Beliefs are just that. Nobody else can affect them."
Next time you feel that way try telling it to an imprisoned pastor or the severed head laying on the back of a lifeless body. Maybe you can get Jeff Dunham to stick his hand in and make the mouth move.
Next time you feel that way try telling it to an imprisoned pastor or the severed head laying on the back of a lifeless body. Maybe you can get Jeff Dunham to stick his hand in and make the mouth move.
Look up the definition of beliefs and get back to me
the only person who can changes one's beliefs is the person holding them.
the only person who can changes one's beliefs is the person holding them.
Re: "Beliefs are just that. Nobody else can affect them."
In the United States? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Uhhhh ..... did you miss the beheading in Moore, Oklahoma?
Have you been asleep for the past 6 months?
You know ........ Fort Hood type stuff ..... workplace violence and all.
And yes, beheadings will ultimately come to this country on a shockingly frequent basis.
ALLAHU AKBAR!!![/B]
Have you been asleep for the past 6 months?
You know ........ Fort Hood type stuff ..... workplace violence and all.
And yes, beheadings will ultimately come to this country on a shockingly frequent basis.
ALLAHU AKBAR!!![/B]
Pretty much agree
I mostly think that the market will figure it out, unless it becomes such an institutional fixture as to be inescapable. I don't see that happening. Will these businesses go under becasue they don't get the LGBT dollars? Probably not, but there could be enough other people that won't do business with them because of their bigotry that it will affect them. The gay couple can just go down the street to the other shop that will serve them ... problem solved.
Why do we need a law for every little f'n thing?
There should never be a law stating that the business has to be open on Sundays (or any other day/time of the week for that matter) but if they are open they shouldn't be discriminatory.
I mostly think that the market will figure it out, unless it becomes such an institutional fixture as to be inescapable. I don't see that happening. Will these businesses go under becasue they don't get the LGBT dollars? Probably not, but there could be enough other people that won't do business with them because of their bigotry that it will affect them. The gay couple can just go down the street to the other shop that will serve them ... problem solved.
Why do we need a law for every little f'n thing?
Re: Ask Bill Clinton ...
... why he signed the Federal RFRA -- introduced by a Democrat -- or the governors of the states that have passed nearly identical laws since 1993.
Where the Indiana law messed up is with clauses that allow individuals to claim that individuals are violating their First Amendment rights, which is why the gay rights crowd is so up in arms about it. The law signed by Clinton, and the state laws, specify that it must be the state placing the burden on their free exercise.
... why he signed the Federal RFRA -- introduced by a Democrat -- or the governors of the states that have passed nearly identical laws since 1993.
Where the Indiana law messed up is with clauses that allow individuals to claim that individuals are violating their First Amendment rights, which is why the gay rights crowd is so up in arms about it. The law signed by Clinton, and the state laws, specify that it must be the state placing the burden on their free exercise.
Re: How can anyone have beliefs compromised by an outside force?
Not believing in birth control due to religious beliefs and then being required to provide it in the health care comes immediately to mind.
Don't get me wrong, I think this is cloaking bigotry in the cape of religion.
I think it's dishonest to pretend there is not a full on assault on the Christian faith.
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Not believing in birth control due to religious beliefs and then being required to provide it in the health care comes immediately to mind.
Don't get me wrong, I think this is cloaking bigotry in the cape of religion.
I think it's dishonest to pretend there is not a full on assault on the Christian faith.
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Re: Uhhhh ..... did you miss the beheading in Moore, Oklahoma?
I sure did. Can you provide a link? (Why do I keep asking when I know the answer?)
I sure did. Can you provide a link? (Why do I keep asking when I know the answer?)
That Federal law was aimed at American Indians use of land ...
for religious purposes. So trying to equate these two laws is intellectually dishonest.
for religious purposes. So trying to equate these two laws is intellectually dishonest.
You are separating beliefs from persecution.
To which I just showed you a couple of the more severe examples as to how the two distinctions are usually not separated .......... and that's likely at the root at why some of these evangelicals are seeking this legislation.
Suppression is widely considered a form of persecution just as physical persecution is.
A person does not have to lose their head to be suppressed ..... nor is it as simple as "keeping their beliefs to themselves" when home owners have been forced to remove some religious gestures from their own property.
Nice try though ...... not a particular educated one .... but you tried.
To which I just showed you a couple of the more severe examples as to how the two distinctions are usually not separated .......... and that's likely at the root at why some of these evangelicals are seeking this legislation.
Suppression is widely considered a form of persecution just as physical persecution is.
A person does not have to lose their head to be suppressed ..... nor is it as simple as "keeping their beliefs to themselves" when home owners have been forced to remove some religious gestures from their own property.
Nice try though ...... not a particular educated one .... but you tried.
Re: How can anyone have beliefs compromised by an outside force?
I guess this is just like Obama coming after our guns.
* Denotes sarcasm.
So that's what all those protesters were doing outside of every single church I drove by last Sunday morning. I heard the FBI say that if the protests don't work they would force the doors shut.*
I guess this is just like Obama coming after our guns.
* Denotes sarcasm.
LOL!!!! ........ Just as I stated earlier.
Quit wasting your time with him.
He's only gonna see what he chooses to see and it's certainly not gonna be anything that exposes his lunacy for lunacy.
Quit wasting your time with him.
He's only gonna see what he chooses to see and it's certainly not gonna be anything that exposes his lunacy for lunacy.
Who did this? Was it HOA's or State/local/federal government?
HOA's are overzealous with a lot of their things (I'll never buy another house that is part of an HOA), so was it the government forcing this or an HOA?
Full on assault? It's more like a count-attack
right wing religious whakos have been working for 30 years to impose their religious beliefs on everyone....abortion, school prayer, hanging the 10 commandments everywhere, and now the gay marriage stuff. If your religious beliefs are against abortion, don't have one. If you want your kids to pray, pray at home or church. If you don't like gay marriage, marry the opposite sex. Religious fundamentalists have been on a mission to intertwine religion and politics since Falwell started his Moral Majority. It is counter to the basic tenets of this country's founding. And many of us have had enough.
right wing religious whakos have been working for 30 years to impose their religious beliefs on everyone....abortion, school prayer, hanging the 10 commandments everywhere, and now the gay marriage stuff. If your religious beliefs are against abortion, don't have one. If you want your kids to pray, pray at home or church. If you don't like gay marriage, marry the opposite sex. Religious fundamentalists have been on a mission to intertwine religion and politics since Falwell started his Moral Majority. It is counter to the basic tenets of this country's founding. And many of us have had enough.
Re: Uhhhh ..... did you miss the beheading in Moore, Oklahoma?
So, we're not sure whether it was because he was fired or he was a Muslim?
So, one guy represents a major portion of society?
So, we're not sure whether it was because he was fired or he was a Muslim?
So, one guy represents a major portion of society?
Re: LOL!!!! ........ Just as I stated earlier.
You aret he one saying the world is going to end in the next two years but I'm the lunatic?
Got it.
You aret he one saying the world is going to end in the next two years but I'm the lunatic?
Got it.
Re: Pretty much agree
Do you ever read or think about what you write? I don't disagree with you that all of this could have been avoided.
The lady could have gone to the back of the bus and found a seat.
The lunch counter in Greensboro was not the only place to eat - could have gone down the street or take it "to go".
Would these solutions have solved the problem? Not really. They wrote laws saying they had equal rights. If it were offered to one, it had to be offered to all. That was the solution they settled on and wrote it into law,
Do you ever read or think about what you write? I don't disagree with you that all of this could have been avoided.
The lady could have gone to the back of the bus and found a seat.
The lunch counter in Greensboro was not the only place to eat - could have gone down the street or take it "to go".
Would these solutions have solved the problem? Not really. They wrote laws saying they had equal rights. If it were offered to one, it had to be offered to all. That was the solution they settled on and wrote it into law,
He had been trying to get co-workers to convert, you moron!
Not only that, the woman who was beheaded was an open Christian ...... which is essentially why she got his extra special attention. Good grief, you are hopeless.
In addition, you claim to be a "Christian". Well, if you are then you most be the most ignorant, beef-headed one on the planet because you are clueless (as usual) to Matthew 24:9 ........... either that, or don't believe in what it says when it reads:
"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me."
Not only that, the woman who was beheaded was an open Christian ...... which is essentially why she got his extra special attention. Good grief, you are hopeless.
In addition, you claim to be a "Christian". Well, if you are then you most be the most ignorant, beef-headed one on the planet because you are clueless (as usual) to Matthew 24:9 ........... either that, or don't believe in what it says when it reads:
"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me."
Uhhhhh ..... I said it has at least another 1,000 years.
How is that 2 years?
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How is that 2 years?
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Re: Pretty much agree
I am quite certain that I made some kind of comment about "unless it becomes inescapable", and the 2 examples you gave were examples of where it was inescapable. I also specifically stated that if the store is open that they shouldn't be discriminatory.
However, I think the market can solve the problem unless it becomes so widespread as to be inescapable. If somebody wants to discriminate and it's a single shop I think the market will take care of it. You'd think they'd want to be quiet about it instead of screaming from the rooftops "I'm a bigot!!!" and having a law passed to back them.
Do you ever bother trying to comprehend what you read, or are you just incapable?
I am quite certain that I made some kind of comment about "unless it becomes inescapable", and the 2 examples you gave were examples of where it was inescapable. I also specifically stated that if the store is open that they shouldn't be discriminatory.
However, I think the market can solve the problem unless it becomes so widespread as to be inescapable. If somebody wants to discriminate and it's a single shop I think the market will take care of it. You'd think they'd want to be quiet about it instead of screaming from the rooftops "I'm a bigot!!!" and having a law passed to back them.
Re: Uhhhhh ..... I said it has at least another 1,000 years.
Here is what you said:
"You are exceedingly generous. All Hell is about to break loose within 2 months to 2 years."
Do you just sling so much garbage that you forget what you say?
Here is what you said:
"You are exceedingly generous. All Hell is about to break loose within 2 months to 2 years."
Do you just sling so much garbage that you forget what you say?
Did that somehow translate to "the world is gonna end"?
You've unwittingly referenced what I stated would most likely be the commencement of conflict.
However, if you read down a little further at the link I provided, you will see that I DID offer forth a thought on this "end of the world" and said we were guaranteed another 1,000 years.
It was pretty clear ..... pretty succinct .... pretty easy to read ..... it was also in English.
You've unwittingly referenced what I stated would most likely be the commencement of conflict.
However, if you read down a little further at the link I provided, you will see that I DID offer forth a thought on this "end of the world" and said we were guaranteed another 1,000 years.
It was pretty clear ..... pretty succinct .... pretty easy to read ..... it was also in English.
Pat Haden & USC promote different points of view......
" USC athletic director Pat Haden, who has a gay son, said Tuesday on Twitter
that he will boycott the College Football Playoff committee meetings in
Indiana this week in light of the state's newly passed "religious
freedom" law that could come into effect in July."
" We promote diversity not just in terms of sexual orientation and ethnicity, but different points of view. "
" USC athletic director Pat Haden, who has a gay son, said Tuesday on Twitter
that he will boycott the College Football Playoff committee meetings in
Indiana this week in light of the state's newly passed "religious
freedom" law that could come into effect in July."
" We promote diversity not just in terms of sexual orientation and ethnicity, but different points of view. "
Well if you said it, I guess it's true
What federal laws have been made that is an assault on any of these?
My tax dollars going to FUND abortion, on the other hand, is an assault on my liberties.
What federal laws have been made that is an assault on any of these?
My tax dollars going to FUND abortion, on the other hand, is an assault on my liberties.
Yes ........ gays have been oppressed.
I don't support oppression of any kind.
The two greatest gifts we have ever been given:
(1) The propitiation that took place on the cross
(2) The freedom to reject said propitiation ........ and most do[/B]
I don't support oppression of any kind.
The two greatest gifts we have ever been given:
(1) The propitiation that took place on the cross
(2) The freedom to reject said propitiation ........ and most do[/B]
Re: He had been trying to get co-workers to convert, you moron!
The article said, in plain English, it wasn't clear what his motive was. While you are at it, pick out some lottery numbers for me.
Regarding Matthew 24:9 - I'll probably die first.
The article said, in plain English, it wasn't clear what his motive was. While you are at it, pick out some lottery numbers for me.
Regarding Matthew 24:9 - I'll probably die first.
LOL!!! ....... Yeah, he was just having a really bad day.
Just like the terrorists on 9-11 were tired of being served stale peanuts.
Just like the terrorists on 9-11 were tired of being served stale peanuts.
LOL!!! .......That 2nd picture is priceless.
As for the text, my thoughts exactly.
On a sidenote .... thanks to that cat, their owner never had to work again in their life.
As for the text, my thoughts exactly.
On a sidenote .... thanks to that cat, their owner never had to work again in their life.