Why do people think we need a "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" to begin

bornaneer

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"Why do we need a law for every little f'n thing?".....

It's good to see voices of reason on this difficult subject. You and Big Clay made good points with your comments. However, we all know that someone or some groups are always going to feel discriminated against. It is a case of what "squeaky" wheel the media decides to grease. I can take you to D.C. on any day of the week and show you someone who is protesting something. That was true 40 years ago and it's still the same.
 
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Re: LOL!!! ....... Yeah, he was just having a really bad day.

So, to bring this thing full circle, here is RPJ's post that got you started on the imprisoned pastors and beheadings diatribe:

"Beliefs are just that. Nobody else can affect them. What "progressive movements" have adversely affected religious people's right to practice their religion? We live in a country with a secular government. It was formed that way by design. And most religious people revere the people who founded our country who implemented the system of separation of church and state. This is more.... cram it down their throats... by the religious right in this country."

He clearly stated "what progressive movement..."

And you reply with a pastor being imprisoned, with no link, and a Muslim who was fired from his job and kills someone.

That's some hum dinger wingnut logic there.
 

bornaneer

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"The lady could have gone to the back of the bus and found a seat"

You don't really mean this, do you? That's like like comparing pissing in the ocean with a tsunami.


This post was edited on 3/31 2:15 PM by bornaneer
 

mneilmont

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Re: Pretty much agree


No but I saw a ********** in a magazine. That was you? Go away sonny.
 

mneilmont

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Re: "Why do we need a law for every little f'n thing?".....


I got to enforce those '64 rules. Never saw a problem other than a few from the other side protesting. Looks like we got that side to stop squaking and the other side took up the demonstrations. Somebody always dissatisfied.
 

mneilmont

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Re: "The lady could have gone to the back of the bus and found a seat"


I think what was actually said was piss on those seats in the back, she could ride quiet well up front.
 

WhiteTailEER

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He's just working up a good hate for me. Mostly over things I never said at all, or things that he didn't see that I said that would have provided some clarity to my position, but whatever.

You're distracting him. Leave him alone.
 

mneilmont

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If you were not around during the time, you are going to lose a little appreciation of what she did. She had probably gone to the back of that bus a hundred times and pass up unoccupied seats. This time she said to hell with that and took the first unoccupied seat. There had never been a problem when she lowered her head and went to the back.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Originally posted by RichardPeterJohnson:

right wing religious whakos have been working for 30 years to impose their religious beliefs on everyone....abortion, school prayer, hanging the 10 commandments everywhere, and now the gay marriage stuff. If your religious beliefs are against abortion, don't have one. If you want your kids to pray, pray at home or church. If you don't like gay marriage, marry the opposite sex. Religious fundamentalists have been on a mission to intertwine religion and politics since Falwell started his Moral Majority. It is counter to the basic tenets of this country's founding. And many of us have had enough.
This post certainly illustrates the difference in the way people think and also proves my point about people assaulting religion.

As to your specific examples:
Abortion: While some may couch it in religion, it is more of a moral issue. It is the belief that those unborn fetuses are in fact living beings and don't have the ability to fight for themselves in the decision. While there are certainly extreme cases that can be made in instances of incest and rape, they are not of the majority practice. Abortion is used as a means of birth control and essentially is a genocide of youth. The argument that a woman's body is hers to choose with what she will is ludicrous. She has no right to murder her child because she doesn't want it. When I see a heartbeat, its a person. Plain and simple. However, the argument that tax dollars should not be used to pay for them through planned parent hood is a very valid point with those who are religious. Any attempt to do otherwise is an assault on that person's belief.

School Prayer: It has been reported over and over how even unorganized prayer sessions have been under attack. A kid was suspended for doing the Tebow pose and giving thanks to the lord. His beliefs were being assaulted. Why should a kid have to pray at home? Why can't they pray at school?

Your post illustrates how you are doing the exact same thing you are in angst about. Your beliefs have gained traction and now you and people who are like minded are on a mission to trample on those you disagree with to force your non-belief on them. Basically, you're just as fvcking bad as the evangelicals and frankly, you both disgust me. You can't just leave people alone to practice how they want which as already pointed out is in fact an assault on the Christian faith.
 
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I believe strongly in the First Amendment which says that the government shall not prevent the free exercise thereof (religion) but it also says Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.

When high school students are prevented from praying at school or a school function it is a shame (when it is a voluntary act of the student(s)) and shouldn't happen.

But I'll tell you one thing that is utterly disgusting in this country and that is this: The religious right have mixed religion with politics so much that Liberty University FORCES students to attend a political event. Every Sunday in this country, you can hear a minister speak from the pulpit advocating who the flock should be voting for. Ministers no longer pray for the POTUS, they bash him and criticize him and then proclaim from the mountaintops how patriotic they are.

Maybe they have become a Political Action Committee (PAC) and should lose their tax exempt status?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Originally posted by countryroads89:

I believe strongly in the First Amendment which says that the government shall not prevent the free exercise thereof (religion) but it also says Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.

When high school students are prevented from praying at school or a school function it is a shame (when it is a voluntary act of the student(s)) and shouldn't happen.

But I'll tell you one thing that is utterly disgusting in this country and that is this: The religious right have mixed religion with politics so much that Liberty University FORCES students to attend a political event. Every Sunday in this country, you can hear a minister speak from the pulpit advocating who the flock should be voting for. Ministers no longer pray for the POTUS, they bash him and criticize him and then proclaim from the mountaintops how patriotic they are.

Maybe they have become a Political Action Committee (PAC) and should lose their tax exempt status?
Isn't Liberty U a private religious University? It's no different than a Catholic school requiring kids go to mass or have "religion" classes. If you are choosing to attend, you are knowingly signing up for that. What's wrong with it?

Black pastors aren't influencing their congregation? Ok.
 

WhiteTailEER

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Originally posted by DvlDog4WVU:

Originally posted by countryroads89:

I believe strongly in the First Amendment which says that the government shall not prevent the free exercise thereof (religion) but it also says Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.

When high school students are prevented from praying at school or a school function it is a shame (when it is a voluntary act of the student(s)) and shouldn't happen.

But I'll tell you one thing that is utterly disgusting in this country and that is this: The religious right have mixed religion with politics so much that Liberty University FORCES students to attend a political event. Every Sunday in this country, you can hear a minister speak from the pulpit advocating who the flock should be voting for. Ministers no longer pray for the POTUS, they bash him and criticize him and then proclaim from the mountaintops how patriotic they are.

Maybe they have become a Political Action Committee (PAC) and should lose their tax exempt status?
Isn't Liberty U a private religious University? It's no different than a Catholic school requiring kids go to mass or have "religion" classes. If you are choosing to attend, you are knowingly signing up for that. What's wrong with it?

Black pastors aren't influencing their congregation? Ok.
This is forcing them to attend a political function, not forcing them to pray. Still it's a private university, so I suppose they can do whatever they want as far as that's concerned since the 1st Amendment applies to the government. If it was a state school, maybe it's a bit different. However, it's also still relevant to his point in that a religious institution (in this case a school) is trying influence political results.

It doesn't matter if black pastors are influencing their congregations. It's still on point. A religious leader is using that leadership position to try to influence political results. Does it matter whether that person is black or white? Although in this case we might be able to assume that he would be pushing them to the left rather than the right, still wrong regardless.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I'm in agreement with you on it being wrong, but just playing DA, how is it any different than organized labor influencing their workers on who and how to vote? Or any other organization for that matter? My only point is that they all are encouraging people they have influence with on matters that they have a shared concern about.

Now if you want to get to the real issue. I think everyone should take a greater interest in politics and educate themselves on what they think is important and understand the candidates they are choosing to represent them.
 

dave

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dont let facts get in the way of a good rant

Liberty didnt force students to attend a political event. They have mandatory service every day. They have done this since the 80's. Sometimes it is a professor speaking, they have ministers from everywhere And sometimes they have politicians or generally whoever to speak. It is nice to see you tell us what ministers preach abouT on sundays. Now go back to libblogtard.com and read something else stupid so you can come back here and repeat talking points.
 

dave

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which laws?

Congress shall make no law restricting the free exerise of religion. Is there a different congress for business than for everyone else?
 

dave

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DUDE THE ARTICLE SAID THERE WAS NO MOTIVE

That is enough for clueless mcknownothing. Who hasnt beheaded a ***** at least once?
 

dave

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sometimes its the daily kos

It always cracks me up when they accuse people who disagree with the of being foxnews watchers or rush listeners because the truth is they follow websites and other outlets that are every bit as biased as those they want to mock.