Why do you say you "like" Stoops?

LowCountryCat

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I've seen this claim a lot lately. I just don't understand why people say they "like" Stoops.

He's a poor game manager.

His recruiting classes are in the SEC cellar.

He hasn't had a winning record or broken even yet.

He's grumpy on the field.

He's crusty with reporters.

If you only like him because he hasn't had a scandal yet, isn't that a pretty low bar?

Here's your chance. Sell us on why he's such a great guy.
 
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TBCat

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I do like Stoops and want him succeed here but he has to win games. So far he's not shown that he is able to do that. Stoops would be the perfect coach if he could only beat people. But that part about beating people is very important and Stoops is terrible at it.
 

LowCountryCat

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I do like Stoops and want him succeed here but he has to win games. So far he's not shown that he is able to do that. Stoops would be the perfect coach if he could only beat people. But that part about beating people is very important and Stoops is terrible at it.
How is he "perfect?" What's so great about him? Do you know him personally? Or do you just WANT to like him?

Just trying to get a handle on this.
 
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Blue Wildcat

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I think he's a good guy, like Tubby. Hard not to like someone that's nice. He's the underdog that everyone wants to succeed and if he's successful, he would most likely stay since he built the program from nothing.

With that said, I don't think he has the skill set necessary to build the program into a really good mid-major program much less a contender in the SEC. I don't think we'll ever be SEC worthy by the way, but we should be capable of playing in a bowl every year by beating up the cupcakes on our schedule.
 
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Kats23

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I like him because he generally seems to care about the program and wants UK to succeed. I really wanted the guy to succeed but I don't want him to be our coach anymore
 

Bank Cat

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I "like" him because on paper, we have more talent. I believe he is the one who brought enough excitement to apparently justify the stadium upgrade and the new practice facility. I just hope the next coach can take advantage of our upgrades and bring us some big wins.
I would like it to be him.

As much as it pains me, I think you have to give a coach at UK five years when they take over in a situation like he took over. Don't mistake that for confidence in him. Rich Brooks deserved 5 years. Joker did not. Joker made this job a 5-year commitment.
 
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TACcat7

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My message to fans saying give him 5 years, look what Brooks did. Well, the problems Brooks inherited were infinitely worse than that of Stoops. Brooks did not have a full compliment of players like Stoops. Joker left the program with Bud Dupree, Avery Williamson, and a defensive line better than the one we currently have.

Joker was horrific, but go back and look at the nightmare Brooks inherited. It was truly awful. Stoops is in his 4th year, with players he recruited. Some are in their senior seasons, and he just lost to a team that in 2013, when he took over, went 1-11. Let that sink in and stop justifying him having another year. The SEC network provides millions and millions of dollars to the University of Kentucky. Pay Stoops his buyout at the end of the year.

Form a football committee consisting of former players and administrators that know what a "good coach" looks like that is a proven winner, and take the hiring process out of Barnhart's hands. The man has no idea how to hire a football coach. He has struck out miserably on two occasions and has cost the University millions of dollars in revenue. More importantly, he has cost UK some of the most diehard fans in America. Those folks are gone for good and it was done on Mitch's watch.
 

kykidBBN

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Stoops is recruiting at a level we have never seen here at kentucky. On top of that he's a great man unlike that scum to the east! Last I checked theres 11 games left! Lets rally behind Stoops and his troops and beat the little gators this weekend!!
 

ukalumni00

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He appears to be a good family man, wanted the UK job more than anyone else Mitch looked at, came to UK with a plan, and in many areas has been very successful at UK and has helped build a bridge with the money folks who have stayed away from the football program. Was instrumental in getting everyone on board with the facility improvements (an area Mitch is woeful at), has tried his best to welcome former players back to the program, and the list goes on. More or less, there is no question the man has worked extremely hard to build a program we can all be proud of, desperately wants to succeed, but right now it's just not working on the field.

It may be painful, but you give him 5 years, assess the situation after the 2017 season, and pray recruiting does not completely nosedive. If a change is made, UK is well positioned with the facility improvements, roster, etc. to go and make a hard sell to a better category of coach who in the past would have never considered UK and pray the payoff is much quicker than yet another rebuild process.
 

Aike

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I don't know him personally. His persona on the field is oafish.

This is magnified by some of his more blatant mistakes. An oaf who goes 8-4 wouldn't bother me a bit.
 

qwesley

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He seems like a guy that would be good at instilling mental toughness but his teams here have consistently quit in games and seasons. Terrible sign.
 
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GoCatsForever2k15

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I like that he's pretty candid about the situation he walked into. Some coaches might avoid that out of fear that it'd be construed as making an excuse for poor performance, but given how depleted our cupboard was and how pissed off our fans were (me included) at joker, I personally like hearing it.

He may be recruiting at the bottom half of the SEC, but he's substantially better than any UK coach in recent memory. You can compete with good teams in our league when your classes are consistently ranked in the ~high 20s-mid 30s. Much harder to do so when they're ranked in the mid 60s (where we used to be a good portion of the time).
 

Clarence Mason

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He may be the greatest family man in the universe but he isn't head coach material. He has failed here whether Mitch or anyone in the administration wants to admit it or not.
 
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Bluetick2100

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Not trying to jack the thread but many posters cite his much improved recruiting.
Which is true, we have much higher rated players than ever before.

Improved recruiting is a double edge sword.
With much better players come expectations of better teams.
The results of higher rated players are about the same as Jokers results with worse players.
 

LowCountryCat

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I like that he's pretty candid about the situation he walked into. Some coaches might avoid that out of fear that it'd be construed as making an excuse for poor performance, but given how depleted our cupboard was and how pissed off our fans were (me included) at joker, I personally like hearing it.

He may be recruiting at the bottom half of the SEC, but he's substantially better than any UK coach in recent memory. You can compete with good teams in our league when your classes are consistently ranked in the ~high 20s-mid 30s. Much harder to do so when they're ranked in the mid 60s (where we used to be a good portion of the time).
How's that working out for us? Still no signature wins, and can't even get to a meaningless bowl.
 

ukalumni00

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Not trying to jack the thread but many posters cite his much improved recruiting.
Which is true, we have much higher rated players than ever before.

Improved recruiting is a double edge sword.
With much better players come expectations of better teams.
The results of higher rated players are about the same as Jokers results with worse players.
He has not recruited an elite SEC level program. On paper, he has at least gotten UK back into the neighborhood to at least compete with the middle to lower tier SEC teams on a weekly basis. Has been woeful recruiting Dline talent and depth.

Yes, the results have stunk. No denying that. That said, I do hang on to some hope that if he is canned the next coach can come in and have a fighting chance to take the talent given to him and have immediate success on the field. A luxury both Brooks and Stoops was not afforded which has wasted at least 6 of the last 15 seasons of just building a competent roster.
 

Lukasz0brzut

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I don't "like" him because as a defensive coach that "recruits" better he should have a better product on the field in year 4 on the defensive side of the ball

I do see an upgrade in skill positions on offense, I truly believe we're getting the pieces in place on that side of the ball.. but aside from the size at the defensive backs who we don't take advantage of most of the time, I'm not sure how much promise that side of the ball has..

So for those that say he recruits better, yeah maybe by the numbers but thus far not by the product on the field, at least from what I've noticed..
 

Mr Schwump

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Whether I like or dislike Stoops is immaterial. Same for Calipari. Both are hired to win and keep their programs off probation. So far Stoops is halfway successful. Let's hope he eventually fits in the other half of the equation. But whether or not I like him matters not one iota.
 

LowCountryCat

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True. To be fair, it's only been 3 full seasons, with the first one being a complete throw away.
But he has seniors from his own recruiting classes now. That's all I heard over and over again. Just let him get his first class to their senior year. And we lost at home to USM.
 

lex cath

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But he has seniors from his own recruiting classes now. That's all I heard over and over again. Just let him get his first class to their senior year. And we lost at home to USM.

Led by teen magazine dimple heartthrob Shannon Dawson to boot :weary:
 

GoCatsForever2k15

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But he has seniors from his own recruiting classes now. That's all I heard over and over again. Just let him get his first class to their senior year. And we lost at home to USM.

No doubt it was an extremely disappointing loss, but upsets happen. There's a lot of season left.
 

Randy Bob

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I am sure after this yr is over if we do not get to a bowl people will be saying he needs another yr, If you cannot beat a team like SM at home then something is bad wrong..
 

starchief

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Stoops is recruiting at a level we have never seen here at kentucky. On top of that he's a great man unlike that scum to the east! Last I checked theres 11 games left! Lets rally behind Stoops and his troops and beat the little gators this weekend!!

Sure. Why not? We did it once back in 1986.
 

jauk11

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But he has seniors from his own recruiting classes now. That's all I heard over and over again. Just let him get his first class to their senior year. And we lost at home to USM.

Yes, and despite coming off a TWO win season and coming in late he brought in THREE four stars-----MORE than THREE times our normal quota this century------BUT one of the three was a JC, one starting a lot this year, and Hatcher had character defects, perhaps they should have recognized that he was from Louisville AND was friends with Quick------that of course is still playing, he is at Transfer U, that explains a lot..

Our top recruits the past four years have been 6.1 Young, 5.8 Conrad, 5.9 Barker, and maybe 5.8 McWilson (four years vs two for our JC four star DT), all legit SEC players IMO, no flameouts there. Per one article the top commits the previous four years were Chapman, remember him? with no four stars, Towles in 12, our token one four star, gone now, Faulkner, another token four star, Smith, again our ONE four star commit, another flameout,and they named Newton in 09, perhaps disqualifying our two JCs. NONE of our top commits under Joker lived up to expectations. I was very impressed with Joker adding three 5.7s AND a four star (to our ONE 5.7 earlier) to our class at the last minute after taking over in 10, but NONE of the four did didley..

In 14 Stoops signed TEN four stars coming off a two win season.

The 14 class are only sophs and juniors this year, perhaps next year they will grow some more and recognize that the coaches can only do so much, once they are on the field they have to make the plays, the coaches aren't out there. AND they will have added some VERY good pieces to the puzzle, and we have a 5.8 and 5.9 already signed for 17-----IF some of the negativity on here doesn't run them off NONE of the top commits have let it drive them off so far, keep trying though, you sure seem determined to-------what? Hopefully they will come out with the right attitude against Florida and take out their frustration on the field, where they should. They showed PLENTY of potential the first half, just have to get their head on straight.

I don't know how they react this year but by next year I expect them to get it all together and take responsibility for a whole game.

I like Stoops because 16 has tremendous promise, both from the players AND coaches improving.

That is if your constant negativity doesn't cause even more problems, do you really think all of your CONSTANT negativity is going to have ANY effect except maybe hurt recruiting?
 
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jauk11

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Well actually there are three years left in Stoops' buyout. So no worries. He's here for the long haul!

Right, you said it.

So just what are you trying to accomplish? Or are you just a big crybaby?
 

UKWildcats#8

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Yes, and despite coming off a TWO win season and coming in late he brought in THREE four stars-----MORE than THREE times our normal quota this century------BUT one of the three was a JC, one starting a lot this year, and Hatcher had character defects, perhaps they should have recognized that he was from Louisville AND was friends with Quick------that of course is still playing, he is at Transfer U, that explains a lot..

Our top recruits the past four years have been 6.1 Young, 5.8 Conrad, 5.9 Barker, and maybe 5.8 McWilson (four years vs two for our JC four star DT), all legit SEC players IMO, no flameouts there. Per one article the top commits the previous four years were Chapman, remember him? with no four stars, Towles in 12, our token one four star, gone now, Faulkner, another token four star, Smith, again our ONE four star commit, another flameout,and they named Newton in 09, perhaps disqualifying our two JCs. NONE of our top commits under Joker lived up to expectations. I was very impressed with Joker adding three 5.7s AND a four star (to our ONE 5.7 earlier) to our class at the last minute after taking over in 10, but NONE of the four did didley..

In 14 Stoops signed TEN four stars coming off a two win season.

The 14 class are only sophs and juniors this year, perhaps next year they will grow some more and recognize that the coaches can only do so much, once they are on the field they have to make the plays, the coaches aren't out there. AND they will have added some VERY good pieces to the puzzle, and we have a 5.8 and 5.9 already signed for 17-----IF some of the negativity on here doesn't run them off NONE of the top commits have let it drive them off so far, keep trying though, you sure seem determined to-------what? Hopefully they will come out with the right attitude against Florida and take out their frustration on the field, where they should. They showed PLENTY of potential the first half, just have to get their head on straight.

I don't know how they react this year but by next year I expect them to get it all together and take responsibility for a whole game.

I like Stoops because 16 has tremendous promise, both from the players AND coaches improving.

That is if your constant negativity doesn't cause even more problems, do you really think all of your CONSTANT negativity is going to have ANY effect except maybe hurt recruiting?

Always next year. Awesome UK fan mentality.

The problem is UT, FL, UGA programs are always in this year mode. We do have 3 other garbage teams in the SEC East we may be able to beat and take advantage of, as well as a down MSU, but UK never seems to take advantage of anyone being down in the SEC. See Vandy last year.
 
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jauk11

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Always next year. Awesome UK fan mentality.

The problem is UT, FL, UGA programs are always in this year mode. We do have 3 other garbage teams in the SEC East we may be able to beat and take advantage of, as well as a down MSU, but UK never seems to take advantage of anyone being down in the SEC. See Vandy last year.

NO EXCUSES-----Next year.

No excuses for this game really, but football is a very funny game, and momentum is hard to change at times. There should be a lot more maturity next year, hopefully they will be able to bounce back this year, certainly unreal potential for MOST of the first half.
 
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Blue Wildcat

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NO EXCUSES-----Next year.

No excuses for this game really, but football is a very funny game, and momentum is hard to change at times. There should be a lot more maturity next year, hopefully they will be able to bounce back this year, certainly unreal potential for MOST of the first half.


Hope isn't a strategy for success!!! Unfortunately, it's all we have and what we hang our hats on year after year.

Some teams don't play around though and expect to win or not be embarrassed at a minimum. We could learn from them.

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irishcat1965

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But he has seniors from his own recruiting classes now. That's all I heard over and over again. Just let him get his first class to their senior year. And we lost at home to USM.
As far as recruiting, has the caliber of player gotten better? I think so. But here is the issue- he hasn't recruited effectively enough in the area UK needs most- the defensive line. If the high school recruits aren't up to snuff that he can get, he has to get top jucos. He hasn't done it and except for Elam who was a top recruit but hasn't panned out, the defensive line is terrible. I think it's inexcusable that in his third year his dline is this poor especially considering his ties to Florida recruiting after being at FSU.
 

catfanjd

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He appears to be a good family man, wanted the UK job more than anyone else Mitch looked at, came to UK with a plan, and in many areas has been very successful at UK and has helped build a bridge with the money folks who have stayed away from the football program. Was instrumental in getting everyone on board with the facility improvements (an area Mitch is woeful at), has tried his best to welcome former players back to the program, and the list goes on. More or less, there is no question the man has worked extremely hard to build a program we can all be proud of, desperately wants to succeed, but right now it's just not working on the field.

It may be painful, but you give him 5 years, assess the situation after the 2017 season, and pray recruiting does not completely nosedive. If a change is made, UK is well positioned with the facility improvements, roster, etc. to go and make a hard sell to a better category of coach who in the past would have never considered UK and pray the payoff is much quicker than yet another rebuild process.

Couldn't have said it any better. The negative fans need to get back on board and stick it out. Again I say we have had 13 winning seasons since 1965. Year I was born.