Why does it seem that so many libs hate displays of patriotism?

[WVPATX]

NBC Sports Announcer GOES OFF: Calls US Flag and Air Force Flyover “Political” Stunt that Should Be “Kept Out of Sports”


Lead baseball writer for NBC Sports, Craig Calcaterra, tweeted out this attack on the US flag on Easter morning.

“Will you keep politics out of sports, please. We like sports to be politics-free”

Democrats are so full of hate today that the American flag and military men and women in uniform are too “political” for them.

Calcaterra followed up the tweet with this jewel:
“Maybe a flag, in and of itself isn’t always political. A two-acre flag with a military flyover is saying something very specific, however.”

Calcaterra went on – calling the US flag “just a piece of fabric.”

Calcaterra went on – calling the US flag “just a piece of fabric.”

 

[Keyser76]

Ask Melania, she had to remind turnip to cover his heart during the National Anthem this morning.

 

[WVPATX]

Ask Melania, she had to remind turnip to cover his heart during the National Anthem this morning.

You don't remember Obama doing the same thing during his campaign? In fact, Obama never did cover his heart throughout the entire Anthem. More importantly, why do so many libs hate the mere thought of patriotism? And please don't claim it doesn't exist.

 

[atlkvb]

Calcaterra went on – calling the US flag “just a piece of fabric.”

To the Left, that's all it is.

To a lot of them, America is really "no place special" and the Constitution is just a document drawn up by a bunch of old White racist Christians designed to keep Women, Blacks, and Homosexuals under their Patriarchal thumbs!

If they're honest Leftists, they'll admit to this. The deceitful sneaky ones believe all that, but just won't admit to it.

 

[WVPATX]

To the Left, that's all it is.

To a lot of them, America is really "no place special" and the Constitution is just a document drawn up by a bunch of old White racist Christians designed to keep Women, Blacks, and Homosexuals under their Patriarchal thumbs!

If they're honest Leftists, they'll admit to this. The deceitful sneaky ones believe all that, but just won't admit to it.

That is as good a rationale as any I have read. Many libs have disdain for American exceptionalism (including Obama), many have disdain for our military and believe any sign of patriotism is tacit approval for our military.

 

[Boomboom521]

You don't remember Obama doing the same thing during his campaign? In fact, Obama never did cover his heart throughout the entire Anthem. More importantly, why do so many libs hate the mere thought of patriotism? And please don't claim it doesn't exist.

I don't think it's hatred of patriotism. I think it's a desire to see a less symbolic love of the American nation, and a more American mindset put into practice. I don't agree with it....I still get chills from the Star Spangled Banner.
As liberal thinkers grow frustrated with lack of change, many seem to want to attack symbolic victories. I don't see thrm as victories....they're just distractions, imo.

 

[op2]

I agree that politics should be left out of sports but I don't think it's a left-right thing. You're staging a sporting event. What is the point of bringing politics into it? All it is is a case of mission creep for those people that want to make political statements or else a nod to patriotism in an effort to make money.

A good example of this is the NFL and Kaepernick thing. Kaepernick knelt during the NA and people got po-ed. But wait a second. Why is the NA played before a ballgame in the first place? The NFL plays it because it's a subtle appeal to patriotism which makes the NFL slightly more popular and thus gets them more money. Is there any other reason to play the NA before a ballgame?

And then Kaepernick comes along and uses the NA for his own ends. But the only way you can behave in a certain way while the NA is playing to make a point is if the NA is playing in the first place.

I don't want the NFL or Kaepernick or anyone else making political statements before a ballgame. The reason I'm watching the ballgame in the first place is because I want to watch a ballgame instead of watching political stuff. If I wanted to watch political stuff at that point in time then I'd be watching a political channel instead of the ball game.

 

[atlkvb]

That is as good a rationale as any I have read. Many libs have disdain for American exceptionalism (including Obama), many have disdain for our military and believe any sign of patriotism is tacit approval for our military.

What other possible explanation could it be for their lack of respect for both our military and flag Pax?

They hate the Military because it represents American exceptional strength, which protects our unique American exceptionalism as a place where individual Freedom denies Government control over that Military to subjugate us as other nation's arsenals are used to subjugate their citizens.

This of course is anathema to the Leviathan inspired Left, thus the hatred for the Military because they can't control it. Our Commander-in-Chief is an elected civilian accountable to the people, not a Dictator!

 

[TarHeelEer]

grow frustrated with lack of change

Please do go on. What changes are they lacking?

 

[Boomboom521]

To the Left, that's all it is.

To a lot of them, America is really "no place special" and the Constitution is just a document drawn up by a bunch of old White racist Christians designed to keep Women, Blacks, and Homosexuals under their Patriarchal thumbs!

If they're honest Leftists, they'll admit to this. The deceitful sneaky ones believe all that, but just won't admit to it.

I could never hate a soldier. But I do hate war and the desire for war. But I do agree that some on the left associate support of the flag as support for troops. Personally, I support our troops (not always their objectives) but I want them all safe.

 

[atlkvb]

I agree that politics should be left out of sports but I don't think it's a left-right thing. You're staging a sporting event. What is the point of bringing politics into it? All it is is a case of mission creep for those people that want to make political statements or else a nod to patriotism in an effort to make money.

A good example of this is the NFL and Kaepernick thing. Kaepernick knelt during the NA and people got po-ed. But wait a second. Why is the NA played before a ballgame in the first place? The NFL plays it because it's a subtle appeal to patriotism which makes the NFL slightly more popular and thus gets them more money. Is there any other reason to play the NA before a ballgame?

And then Kaepernick comes along and uses the NA for his own ends. But the only way you can behave in a certain way while the NA is playing to make a point is if the NA is playing in the first place.

I don't want the NFL or Kaepernick or anyone else making political statements before a ballgame. The reason I'm watching the ballgame in the first place is because I want to watch a ballgame instead of watching political stuff. If I wanted to watch political stuff at that point in time then I'd be watching a political channel instead of the ball game.

No one says anything during the National anthem about "politics" Op2. The Left hates allegiance to America...to them that's being 'political' because a lot of them hate this country and what they think it stands for.

 

[WVPATX]

I agree that politics should be left out of sports but I don't think it's a left-right thing. You're staging a sporting event. What is the point of bringing politics into it? All it is is a case of mission creep for those people that want to make political statements or else a nod to patriotism in an effort to make money.

A good example of this is the NFL and Kaepernick thing. Kaepernick knelt during the NA and people got po-ed. But wait a second. Why is the NA played before a ballgame in the first place? The NFL plays it because it's a subtle appeal to patriotism which makes the NFL slightly more popular and thus gets them more money. Is there any other reason to play the NA before a ballgame?

And then Kaepernick comes along and uses the NA for his own ends. But the only way you can behave in a certain way while the NA is playing to make a point is if the NA is playing in the first place.

I don't want the NFL or Kaepernick or anyone else making political statements before a ballgame. The reason I'm watching the ballgame in the first place is because I want to watch a ballgame instead of watching political stuff. If I wanted to watch political stuff at that point in time then I'd be watching a political channel instead of the ball game.

I'm not certain how showing respect to the Flag, the Anthem is political? If is a sign of respect for those that came before us and sacrificed for this country to the benefit of all of us. Why that is considered political is beyond me.

I do agree that Kaep's kneeling was political. I do agree that ESPN regularly engages in politics. I do agree that some announcers (Bob Costas) engages in politics and I agree that it would be better to keep politics out of sports just as it would be better to keep politics out of all entertainment, imo.

 

[Brushy Bill]

The cultural Marxists have been quite successful over the last 60 years. It'll be interesting if Western Civilization will be able to recover or not.

 

[WVPATX]

I could never hate a soldier. But I do hate war and the desire for war. But I do agree that some on the left associate support of the flag as support for troops. Personally, I support our troops (not always their objectives) but I want them all safe.

Boom, just trying to understand your perspective. You said you hate war. Do you hate WWI? Do you hate WWII? Do you hate the Revolutionary War? How about the Civil War?

 

[atlkvb]

The cultural Marxists have been quite successful over the last 60 years. It'll be interesting if Western Civilization will be able to recover or not.

I agree BB they have hoodwinked a large percentage of the population especially younger Americans who have not been taught our history or how our free enterprise Capitalist market based economy operates.

They easily accept the appeal of Socialism because they're quite frankly uninformed. But the human condition naturally yearns for Freedom, and when given a choice between it and totalitarian statism, most folks choose Freedom.

Freedom is the natural yearning of the human soul, and it's one reason why Socialism, Communism, Statism doesn't work and will never work.

It runs counter to the human Spirit. It is fundamentally flawed because it does not recognize anything beyond itself and its supremacy over the individual.

Totally opposite of our founding principles as Americans.

 

[Boomboom521]

Please do go on. What changes are they lacking?

For me?

1. More people are in prison in the US than the entire population of the state of WV.
2. 1 in 11 children live in poverty in the US. Less than $240/week
3. The US does not consider manmade climate change as a threat to our children's future, and do less than nations that consume and pollute less than we do.
4. Public education should be our number one expenditure.
5. Defense spending is almost three times as much as the next nation (China)
6. Gay marriage (civil unions) is still an issue....waste of time
7. Medical science is being retarded by religious ideological principles
8. Big businesses (insurance, pharma) continue to dominate.
9. Costs associated with childcare and healthcare continue to rise
10. Bailouts are an accepted aspect of our free market now (Obama just as guilty)
11. War is just simply a way of life now...unfelt by anyone that doesn't love someone active duty or a vet
12. The same political rhetoric wins elections (well...except for your boy).
13. Violence continues to dominate our society...

Some I agree with liberal approaches to solutions, some I don't.....but I'm just trying to identify the lack of changes some on the left are frustrated with....and might be the reasons for many to want to stop acting like things are great the way they are.

 

[Boomboom521]

Boom, just trying to understand your perspective. You said you hate war. Do you hate WWI? Do you hate WWII? Do you hate the Revolutionary War? How about the Civil War?

I love learning all of can about them, but only in an attempt to help prevent the horrors from occurring again.

 

[Boomboom521]

I agree BB they have hoodwinked a large percentage of the population especially younger Americans who have not been taught our history or how our free enterprise Capitalist market based economy operates.

They easily accept the appeal of Socialism because they're quite frankly uninformed. But the human condition naturally yearns for Freedom, and when given a choice between it and totalitarian statism, most folks choose Freedom.

Freedom is the natural yearning of the human soul, and it's one reason why Socialism, Communism, Statism doesn't work and will never work.

It runs counter to the human Spirit. It is fundamentally flawed because it does not recognize anything beyond itself and its supremacy over the individual.

Totally opposite of our founding principles as Americans.

I understand that you do not subscribe to principles of sociology, but there are aspects of the study that help us understand the structures of our world.

 

[TarHeelEer]

For me?

1. More people are in prison in the US than the entire population of the state of WV.
2. 1 in 11 children live in poverty in the US. Less than $240/week
3. The US does not consider manmade climate change as a threat to our children's future, and do less than nations that consume and pollute less than we do.
4. Public education should be our number one expenditure.
5. Defense spending is almost three times as much as the next nation (China)
6. Gay marriage (civil unions) is still an issue....waste of time
7. Medical science is being retarded by religious ideological principles
8. Big businesses (insurance, pharma) continue to dominate.
9. Costs associated with childcare and healthcare continue to rise
10. Bailouts are an accepted aspect of our free market now (Obama just as guilty)
11. War is just simply a way of life now...unfelt by anyone that doesn't love someone active duty or a vet
12. The same political rhetoric wins elections (well...except for your boy).
13. Violence continues to dominate our society...

Some I agree with liberal approaches to solutions, some I don't.....but I'm just trying to identify the lack of changes some on the left are frustrated with....and might be the reasons for many to want to stop acting like things are great the way they are.

Those are mainly problems, not changes.

 

[atlkvb]

I understand that you do not subscribe to principles of sociology, but there are aspects of the study that help us understand the structures of our world.

No disagreement with you in principle boom, but in practice most folks' 1st instinct is self preservation, and that's achieved through personal pursuit of their own choices under Freedom.

We will endeavor to help others if it helps us survive, but we first look out for ourselves and if you remove personal Freedom from our self preservation, it becomes kill or be killed, no less than in the Animal kingdom.

We're different because we have choices over how to live with each other. Hopefully peacefully, but always our 1st objective is personal preservation of happiness and Freedom to do as we so please which helps us achieve that.

Socialism doesn't recognize that individual right or Liberty, it demands allegiance only to the State which is supreme over any individual. Even one to another.

 

[WVPATX]

I love learning all of can about them, but only in an attempt to help prevent the horrors from occurring again.

Boom, sometimes evil rises up resulting in massive deaths of innocents. Sometimes evil rises up and wants to take over other countries, including our own. Sometimes evil rises up and wants to enslave others. I wish it weren't so, but unfortunately history has shown us otherwise. I believe in this quote:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Sir Edmund Burke

 

[WVPATX]

For me?

1. More people are in prison in the US than the entire population of the state of WV.
2. 1 in 11 children live in poverty in the US. Less than $240/week
3. The US does not consider manmade climate change as a threat to our children's future, and do less than nations that consume and pollute less than we do.
4. Public education should be our number one expenditure.
5. Defense spending is almost three times as much as the next nation (China)
6. Gay marriage (civil unions) is still an issue....waste of time
7. Medical science is being retarded by religious ideological principles
8. Big businesses (insurance, pharma) continue to dominate.
9. Costs associated with childcare and healthcare continue to rise
10. Bailouts are an accepted aspect of our free market now (Obama just as guilty)
11. War is just simply a way of life now...unfelt by anyone that doesn't love someone active duty or a vet
12. The same political rhetoric wins elections (well...except for your boy).
13. Violence continues to dominate our society...

Some I agree with liberal approaches to solutions, some I don't.....but I'm just trying to identify the lack of changes some on the left are frustrated with....and might be the reasons for many to want to stop acting like things are great the way they are.

Not sure what this has to do with patriotism and honoring those that have gone before us preserving our freedom. I don't agree, (likely) with your perspective on the above problems, but every country has problems. Our has far fewer than most. But if you are waiting for utopia, you're in for a sad life.

 

[Boomboom521]

Boom, sometimes evil rises up resulting in massive deaths of innocents. Sometimes evil rises up and wants to take over other countries, including our own. Sometimes evil rises up and wants to enslave others. I wish it weren't so, but unfortunately history has shown us otherwise. I believe in this quote:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Sir Edmund Burke

We've discussed this before, and I understand your desire to see justice. But me path would focus more on the UN, not the US being the world enforcer. I actually liked Trumps pick of Haley, she seems tough, smart, and articulate. The UN needs to change.

 

[atlkvb]

Boom, sometimes evil rises up resulting in massive deaths of innocents. Sometimes evil rises up and wants to take over other countries, including our own. Sometimes evil rises up and wants to enslave others. I wish it weren't so, but unfortunately history has shown us otherwise. I believe in this quote:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Sir Edmund Burke

What is "Evil" to Leftist Atheists?

Such a concept is impossible, because the opposite of it is something they deny...A "God" who is not "Evil" but "Holy"

Sacrilege to the modern Left!

 

[Boomboom521]

Not sure what this has to do with patriotism and honoring those that have gone before us preserving our freedom. I don't agree, (likely) with your perspective on the above problems, but every country has problems. Our has far fewer than most. But if you are waiting for utopia, you're in for a sad life.

No utopia....just a change in focus

 

[Boomboom521]

What is "Evil" to Leftist Atheists?

Such a concept is impossible, because the opposite of it is something they deny...A "God" who is not "Evil" but "Holy"

Sacrilege to the modern Left!

Do you think an atheist doesn't experience pain? Doesn't understand the concept of evilness or goodness? That's just dense ATL. You're better than that, not all understanding of life and human nature flows through the Bible.

 

[op2]

What is "Evil" to Leftist Atheists?

Such a concept is impossible, because the opposite of it is something they deny...A "God" who is not "Evil" but "Holy"

Sacrilege to the modern Left!

Huh? What? Lots of what is evil to atheists is evil to you too. And atheism isn't necessarily left, unless you're taking social conservatives vs not. I suspect most atheists are not social conservatives but I think some would be called "conservatives" in other senses of the word.

 

[WVPATX]

We've discussed this before, and I understand your desire to see justice. But me path would focus more on the UN, not the US being the world enforcer. I actually liked Trumps pick of Haley, she seems tough, smart, and articulate. The UN needs to change.

Boom, the U.N. is feckless. And I don't want to act as the world's policeman, but when our national security interests are at stake, we must. Even the Catholic Church (that hates war) acknowledges that some wars are just.

 

[WVPATX]

No utopia....just a change in focus

What does that have to do with patriotism?

 

[WVPATX]

Huh? What? Lots of what is evil to atheists is evil to you too. And atheism isn't necessarily left, unless you're taking social conservatives vs not. I suspect most atheists are not social conservatives but I think some would be called "conservatives" in other senses of the word.

I believe it is a small percentage indeed (atheists that are conservative). It does happen, for example, George Will is an atheist. But I think it fairly rare.

 

[Boomboom521]

Not sure what this has to do with patriotism and honoring those that have gone before us preserving our freedom. I don't agree, (likely) with your perspective on the above problems, but every country has problems. Our has far fewer than most. But if you are waiting for utopia, you're in for a sad life.

Touchy example I'm sure AND I DONT AGREE WITH HIS ACTIONS....but it's like Kap kneeling during the anthem. It's not a lack of love for the nation, it's a lack of wanting to pretend things are fine. A show of patriotism can also be protest. I put a picture of the US Capitol in my toilet, not out of disrespect....but to show guests in my home that's what I think of our Congress at the moment. Symbolism matters on both sides. I'd never burn a US flag, because to me the symbolic love of the nation is more important. But I also want to rip down every "rebel" flag I see flying.

 

[Keyser76]

I believe it is a small percentage indeed (atheists that are conservative). It does happen, for example, George Will is an atheist. But I think it fairly rare.

I'm sure conservatives think God is on their side.

 

[Boomboom521]

Boom, the U.N. is feckless. And I don't want to act as the world's policeman, but when our national security interests are at stake, we must. Even the Catholic Church (that hates war) acknowledges that some wars are just.

As nations develop, our national security interests will be challenged more and more. We can't subscribe to a constant multi-theatre war spanning lifetimes, can we?

 

[WVPATX]

I'm sure conservatives think God is on their side.

Well, if a lib is an atheist, then I am certain a religious conservative would feel that God will favor them at time of death. I'm not sure God is in to politics. I am sure God is in to what is right and good. For example, I believe God would find abortion of the innocents abhorrent.

 

[WVPATX]

As nations develop, our national security interests will be challenged more and more. We can't subscribe to a constant multi-theatre war spanning lifetimes, can we?

Why do you say that? What is your proof? I would argue that Middle East which represents a huge challenge is not because they have "developed" but rather because they have not developed. North Korea has not developed as a society. I think we have less to fear from developed societies than from tyrannical ones. And tyrannical ones retard human development to retain power.

 

[Boomboom521]

Well, if a lib is an atheist, then I am certain a religious conservative would feel that God will favor them at time of death. I'm not sure God is in to politics. I am sure God is in to what is right and good. For example, I believe God would find abortion of the innocents abhorrent.

But not the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

Please let's not get into it again, but I'm just curious. What I was taught in Sunday school growing up was forgiveness and love....compassion and tolerance. The aspects of Christianity I admire, and a main reason why I walked away from organized Christianity -- it wasn't common for the people I knew as Christians to practice any of those tenants. But they felt no less self-righteous because they attended church, took communion, gave their tithes, and prayed.

 

[Boomboom521]

Why do you say that? What is your proof? I would argue that Middle East which represents a huge challenge is not because they have "developed" but rather because they have not developed. North Korea has not developed as a society. I think we have less to fear from developed societies than from tyrannical ones. And tyrannical ones retard human development to retain power.

Great point, and I agree. However, as more nations develop the ability to create weapons of mass destruction, our challenges will grow. Syria and Iran are problems more so than Libya or Palestine due to their capabilities. Would we care about N. Korea as much right now if they didn't have potential nuclear capabilities?

 

[WVPATX]

But not the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

Please let's not get into it again, but I'm just curious. What I was taught in Sunday school growing up was forgiveness and love....compassion and tolerance. The aspects of Christianity I admire, and a main reason why I walked away from organized Christianity -- it wasn't common for the people I knew as Christians to practice any of those tenants. But they felt no less self-righteous because they attended church, took communion, gave their tithes, and prayed.

I'm not sure why hypocrites would drive you away from Christianity. I wouldn't let a single person that chooses to act a certain way distract me from my faith or my beliefs. I lead my life on my own accord. I make my own decisions.

As for war, when innocent lives are being destroy and evil is reigning, a good person can't sit idly by letting evil continue unabated. There are just wars Boom for without them, many, many more lives would be lost. The problem with many pacifists is that they can count the lives lost during a war, but ignore the lives saved.

 

[WVPATX]

Great point, and I agree. However, as more nations develop the ability to create weapons of mass destruction, our challenges will grow. Syria and Iran are problems more so than Libya or Palestine due to their capabilities. Would we care about N. Korea as much right now if they didn't have potential nuclear capabilities?

There is no question that as evil regimes develop or buy weapons of mass destruction, the job of all civilized countries is made far more difficult. But that doesn't mean the actions of those countries to counter that evil is in itself bad. It gets back to Sir Edmund Burke's quote. How many lives will be lost if North Korea or Iran nuke another country? And if we stand by and let that happen, are we in any way culpable?

 

[atlkvb]

Do you think an atheist doesn't experience pain? Doesn't understand the concept of evilness or goodness? That's just dense ATL. You're better than that, not all understanding of life and human nature flows through the Bible.

Boomer "Evil" suggests the opposite of "good". Deity isn't necessary to understand that concept you're correct, but what defines or separates one from the other?

Hitler didn't think what he was doing to the Jews was "Evil" he thought it was something necessary to establish Arian supremacy.

What made his personal ambitions "Evil". seems to me we first need to define exactly what "Evil" what it is boomer before you can just dismiss it as some abstract idea my friend.

What do you tell your kids is "Evil"?

What makes it so?

Explain.