Why I am now a big TTU fan?

BlueintheBrew

New member
Mar 3, 2019
1,174
1,726
0
I'm not sure what is ironic. Atheists are not as good in general as are your garden variety Christian. They realize they must answer at some point to a higher power. Atheists do not. I consider Communists and atheists to be in the same boat. As a rule... Dont trust either.
Oh, I'm aware you don't. That is what is so amusing about it.

Obviously you are very biased to what you beleive. And yet, obviously you have no real understanding of those beliefs.

How many communist have you met in your lifetime? What about athiest?
 

Blue_2_the_bone_rivals

Well-known member
Mar 10, 2003
5,753
10,933
93
Wasn't Constantinople first sacked by Christians of the 4th Crusade?

Constantinople was Roman controlled and the capital of the Byzantine Empire and founded by Constantine the Great. He converted to Christianity but there’s still debate whether he actually did or appeared to for political reasons and harmony among citizens. Most scholars agree he converted to his mothers beliefs during his reign. This was around the late 300-early 400AD.
 

Mime-Is-Money

Well-known member
May 29, 2002
8,539
2,128
113
Considering the majority of the bloodiest wars in history have all been fought in the last century I would say 7% is about right.

So you estimated the 7% number?

Speaking of scope are you “estimating” only wars & conflicts with religion as the actual cause or are you throwing in land grabs by groups who “claim” religion as justification? If so, which religious doctrines verify the blame?

How did you figure out the discussion goes beyond wars? Was it the list of incidents I provided in which wars were only a subset? Was it when I said this discussion goes beyond warfare? Whatever it was, well done.

I've listed some of the papal decrees, but violence in the name of religion doesn't require specific doctrines as motivation. Where in communist literature does it condone mass executions based on ethnicity and/or race? It doesn't, yet these horrific acts are attributed to the ideology because of actions from maniacal totalitarian tyrants.

I mean, if we wanted to pick nits you could assert the Revolutionary War’s root cause was because of religion considering colonist came for religious freedom and it eventually led to war, even though religion wasn’t the driving force.

Um, no.
 

Mime-Is-Money

Well-known member
May 29, 2002
8,539
2,128
113
That is pseudo-intellectual indoctrination BS from every atheist Christophobic hater I have had the displeasure to know. That list includes any nation who had a Christian living in it or may have fought in its military.

Nope, that list contains conflicts starting because of, or in part due to, adherence to a warped devotion to the perpetrators' religion, in this case Christianity.

If you wanted me to list atrocities carried out by self-proclaimed Christians in which the motive was not religious in nature we'd be here for a very long time.

And I have no dislike of Christians, or true Christians, I'm just answering your questions with supported links.

I'll not dignify it with a reply...but I will note that I got a chuckle knowing that Columbus discovered America to spread Christianity (and disease aka God Pox) and kill off the Indians while doing it. LOL. You guys are predictable but sad.

I think your lack of replay dignifies it enough. But it's comical that you limit the European conquest of the Americas solely to the voyages of Columbus. Did you think he set out to prove the world was round?
 

Poetax

New member
Apr 4, 2002
29,410
20,887
0
No. They would not. They might for a while or certain sects might even have intentions to respect Abrahamic religions but if history is an indicator Christians at the very best are considered 2nd class citizens in the Muslim world. Their religion is a religion of conquerors starting with their founder.

That being said, my reply wasn’t pertaining to self preservation of self defense. It dealt with talk about taking “our” country back by any means necessary or by Bible in one hand and a sword in the other. Christianity isn’t a way of political rule like Islam is in Muslim countries.

I’d rather fight to see the constitution upheld so I may have the right to worship how I please.



As long as your right to worship doesn't include you wanting to kill me as a Christian, I will agree. :)
 

Blue_2_the_bone_rivals

Well-known member
Mar 10, 2003
5,753
10,933
93
So you estimated the 7% number?



How did you figure out the discussion goes beyond wars? Was it the list of incidents I provided in which wars were only a subset? Was it when I said this discussion goes beyond warfare? Whatever it was, well done.

I've listed some of the papal decrees, but violence in the name of religion doesn't require specific doctrines as motivation. Where in communist literature does it condone mass executions based on ethnicity and/or race? It doesn't, yet these horrific acts are attributed to the ideology because of actions from maniacal totalitarian tyrants.



Um, no.
No, the authors of the Encyclopedia of War did through their research.

Violence in the name of religion without doctrine to back it up is not a product of said religion. It’s a product of the motives of said men.

Also I didn’t say anything about communism although authors such as Rummel, Courtois, others link communist regimes being responsible for 100,000,000 deaths between 1900-1987. But I’m not going to sit here and blame the communism for the men who committed said atrocities when communism itself doesn’t call for it. Calls for unprovoked violence are completely against Christian doctrine though. Do acts of violence go against communist ideals or can they be considered a necessary evil? I’m serious asking and not being facetious.
 

BlueVelvetFog

Active member
Apr 12, 2016
13,419
17,848
78
Big TiTs fan here