Why I think we'll never hear anything else about what happened that night

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I thought the non-lawyers might want a (relatively) short breakdown on how this is probably going to go down.

The lawsuit makes 4 claims: 1) Battery, 2) Negligence, 3) Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress, and 4) Punitive Damages (not really another "claim" in its truest sense, but the allegation comes with an additional burden of proof and source of damages/$$$).

To prevail at trial, a plaintiff must present admissible evidence to support each element of each claim. A defendant has the opportunity to rebut the plaintiff's evidence with contrary admissible evidence. A defendant also has the opportunity to present "defenses" to certain claims. Generally a defendant has the burden to prove each element of a defense. An example of a defense consent (I can't prevail in a battery lawsuit if I ask you slap me. I'll prove the battery occurred, but you'll have a defense that I consented to the slap).

Here, the general elements are:

1) Battery:

a) the intentional touching of, or application of force to,
b) the body of another person,
c) in a harmful or offensive manner.

2) Negligence:

a) the defendant had duty (not to injure plaintiff);
b) the defendant breached that duty (they injured the plaintiff);
c) the plaintiff suffered damages (pain & suffering to medical bills, future treatment etc); and
d) the plaintiff's damages were caused by the breach of duty (they injured the plaintiff).

3) Intentional infliction of emotional distress:

a) that the plaintiff was injured
b) the injury was caused by conduct so outrageous in character, and so extreme in degree, as to go beyond all possible bounds of decency, and to be regarded as atrocious, and utterly intolerable in a civilized community.

4) Punitive damages:

a) the defendant acted with actual malice, gross negligence
b) which evidences a willful, wanton or reckless disregard for the safety of others, (or committed actual fraud which is not relevant here).

WHY THIS MATTERS:

I'm pretty confident that the plaintiff's attorney has admissible evidence to support, at a minimum, every element of all four claims. Also, the Complaint was sufficiently plead to avoid dismissal before discovery (the first time the defendants get the chance to throw out the lawsuit).

So, if the defendant can't get out at dismissal, it goes to discovery. That's when you get to take depositions, subpoena people/things, ask questions, etc etc. Although this stuff is not confidential, per se, it generally is not disclosed to the public until a motion for summary judgment. That's when each party gets to tell the judge "look, there is no question of fact, we agree on (or the other side's evidence is so weak) certain elements (or defenses) to the claims. In the event the judge says there is a "question of fact" or a "he said, she said" concerning admissible evidence, then summary judgment is denied.

Because of what I said earlier, that the plaintiff's likely have admissible evidence to each element of each claim (and because there are not likely any absolute defenses available to the defendants), in this case, summary judgment is probably going to be denied.

Now, we go to trial, and all that evidence that was generally not disclosed (although there is a good chance it comes out in the summary judgment filings) becomes public.

Consider what "admissible evidence" for each element means to the Defendants. If it settles now, it's just blip on the radar. If it doesn't settle, and there will be pretty strong evidence these two defendants committed each element of the torts outlined above. That's hurts draft stock significantly more than the $300-500k that would likely settle this case.

If I still wagered, I would put top dollar that this case settles before discovery starts...and that none of us will ever know what actually happened (confidentiality clauses, the fact that it has not come out within the last year, etc). This will be an anecdote when they on Saturdays this fall.

TL ; DR - I think everyone that is hoping something will come of this will be disappointed.
 

mcdawg22

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Has anybody heard if they are ever coming out with the

Left bending Hurtzler Banana slicers. All my banana's go that way.
 

uptowndawg

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I have the same problem

Left bending Hurtzler Banana slicers. All my banana's go that way.

I was extra diligent in my slicing technique and flipped both the Hurtzler AND the banana over and still couldn't get it to work. Made a terrible mess on my countertop on several attempts; but it was still better than the bloody mess the old filet knife use to leave. I finally had some luck when came across a right bending banana that I was able to flip over along with the right handed Hurtzler... Banana slice perfection was achieved. I'm not sure if you can re-flip the Hurtzler once it's been flipped though. Because all the banan residue is on the wrong side of the slicers after just one flipped cut. I guess I should just patiently wait on a Hurtzler banana slicer cleaning tool. Hopefully that will be mass produced before this banana residue turns brown.
 

yjnkdawg

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I planned to respond back to the bear lawyer post, but I think I will eat a banana or some banana yogurt instead lol.....
 

DerHntr

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"Relatively short"? WT17 does a long post by you look like... War And Peace?
 

Snog

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You're premise is making one big assumption. That being the plaintiff is in this for the money. If that assumption is false and this complaint is personal in nature, your premise is blown to ****.

Congrats on your recent graduation from law school.
 
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Jesus! State's record in baseball moved to 2-3 by the time you were finished.

I thought the non-lawyers might want a (relatively) short breakdown on how this is probably going to go down.

The lawsuit makes 4 claims: 1) Battery, 2) Negligence, 3) Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress, and 4) Punitive Damages (not really another "claim" in its truest sense, but the allegation comes with an additional burden of proof and source of damages/$$$).

To prevail at trial, a plaintiff must present admissible evidence to support each element of each claim. A defendant has the opportunity to rebut the plaintiff's evidence with contrary admissible evidence. A defendant also has the opportunity to present "defenses" to certain claims. Generally a defendant has the burden to prove each element of a defense. An example of a defense consent (I can't prevail in a battery lawsuit if I ask you slap me. I'll prove the battery occurred, but you'll have a defense that I consented to the slap).

Here, the general elements are:

1) Battery:

a) the intentional touching of, or application of force to,
b) the body of another person,
c) in a harmful or offensive manner.

2) Negligence:

a) the defendant had duty (not to injure plaintiff);
b) the defendant breached that duty (they injured the plaintiff);
c) the plaintiff suffered damages (pain & suffering to medical bills, future treatment etc); and
d) the plaintiff's damages were caused by the breach of duty (they injured the plaintiff).

3) Intentional infliction of emotional distress:

a) that the plaintiff was injured
b) the injury was caused by conduct so outrageous in character, and so extreme in degree, as to go beyond all possible bounds of decency, and to be regarded as atrocious, and utterly intolerable in a civilized community.

4) Punitive damages:

a) the defendant acted with actual malice, gross negligence
b) which evidences a willful, wanton or reckless disregard for the safety of others, (or committed actual fraud which is not relevant here).

WHY THIS MATTERS:

I'm pretty confident that the plaintiff's attorney has admissible evidence to support, at a minimum, every element of all four claims. Also, the Complaint was sufficiently plead to avoid dismissal before discovery (the first time the defendants get the chance to throw out the lawsuit).

So, if the defendant can't get out at dismissal, it goes to discovery. That's when you get to take depositions, subpoena people/things, ask questions, etc etc. Although this stuff is not confidential, per se, it generally is not disclosed to the public until a motion for summary judgment. That's when each party gets to tell the judge "look, there is no question of fact, we agree on (or the other side's evidence is so weak) certain elements (or defenses) to the claims. In the event the judge says there is a "question of fact" or a "he said, she said" concerning admissible evidence, then summary judgment is denied.

Because of what I said earlier, that the plaintiff's likely have admissible evidence to each element of each claim (and because there are not likely any absolute defenses available to the defendants), in this case, summary judgment is probably going to be denied.

Now, we go to trial, and all that evidence that was generally not disclosed (although there is a good chance it comes out in the summary judgment filings) becomes public.

Consider what "admissible evidence" for each element means to the Defendants. If it settles now, it's just blip on the radar. If it doesn't settle, and there will be pretty strong evidence these two defendants committed each element of the torts outlined above. That's hurts draft stock significantly more than the $300-500k that would likely settle this case.

If I still wagered, I would put top dollar that this case settles before discovery starts...and that none of us will ever know what actually happened (confidentiality clauses, the fact that it has not come out within the last year, etc). This will be an anecdote when they on Saturdays this fall.

TL ; DR - I think everyone that is hoping something will come of this will be disappointed.

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You're premise is making one big assumption. That being the plaintiff is in this for the money. If that assumption is false and this complaint is personal in nature, your premise is blown to ****.

Congrats on your recent graduation from law school.

I would love to eat crow on this one, but I doubt I do. A few hundred thousand tax free is real money to almost college kid (even those from st simons)

Also [sigh], nowhere near a recent grad. Just a few too many in and no proofing....causes tangents. Anyway, thought it might provide a different perspective.

as to earlier comment-not a bear
 

titus.sixpack

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Short reply. If a video exists (and videos exist of almost everything these days), there is no way this settles.
 

goindhoo

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isnt this more likley to settle if there is a video?

I would think that if there is a clear video of the events then the knemdechies would be willing to pay a premium to keep that video confidential and out of the hands a of the police.
 

BiscuitEater

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Fixed it for you ...

Short reply. If a video exists (and videos exist of almost everything these days), there is no way this DOES NOT settle.

You can thank me later.

If video does exist the players committing battery, OM will pay eachand every cent to keep it from seeing the light of day.
 

GloryDawg

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I have a warrant out for my arrest in Maine over a speeding ticket should I worry about it.
 

The Peeper

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Wow, exactly what I was thinking except that in my words it would be more like, "no way Bear lawyers want any more info to leak, they'll pay somebody sooner than later." Now, isn't that the same thing you said?