but we can't? Seriously, I would be frustrated if Tyson Lee started for Delta State right now. He's bad, and Relf is no better. Why NOT go to Russell? If it's good enough for big time programs why not us?
Why is it that USC and Mich can start a true freshman QB
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but we can't? Seriously, I would be frustrated if Tyson Lee started for Delta State right now. He's bad, and Relf is no better. Why NOT go to Russell? If it's good enough for big time programs why not us?
but we can't? Seriously, I would be frustrated if Tyson Lee started for Delta State right now. He's bad, and Relf is no better. Why NOT go to Russell? If it's good enough for big time programs why not us?
Mullen he has what it takes to play as a true fresh... I have been hearing he hasn't looked too grand at practice...And why the hell would you be frustrated if Tyson Lee started for Delta State... that doesnt make any sense Edit for spelling
had to play with the rest of our Sunbelt and CUSA talent. Granted they would suck less than Relf/Lee but suck nonetheless.
The "big time" programs are supposed to have so much talent that they redshirt guys. yet we are redshirting a guy with more talent that lee or relf. Relf can't hit the broad side of a barn and lee can't throw a pass over linemen without rolling out.
and Michigan/USC does???
That's like asking "why can't my Chihuahua whip other dog's asses like a Rottweiler or a Pit Bull"? IT'S BECAUSE HE'S A DAMN Chihuahua!
That's like asking "why can't my Chihuahua whip other dog's asses like a Rottweiler or a Pit Bull"? IT'S BECAUSE HE'S A DAMN Chihuahua!
Relf is TERRIBLE passing, and Lee can't see to throw. I could find 5 HS seniors in MS that would be a better fit in this offense. Our receivers aren't bad. Our line is average. And Dixon is good.
The point is that they are better programs than us, yet we are too "good" to play a true freshman QB. Auburn will kick um's ***.
You're not too ' "good" to play a true freshman'...you're not GOOD ENOUGH to play a true freshman.
It's because we are f'n MSU and our stadium is built over an ancient Native American burial ground.
Did you expect the yin and yang to re-align it's delicate balance at the epicenter of college football sucktitude?
Did you expect the yin and yang to re-align it's delicate balance at the epicenter of college football sucktitude?
Point is, Relf and Lee aren't SEC caliber or even CUSA caliber. It can't hurt to play Russell. Now go back to the spirit and dream about your 12 win season.
1. He is not used to the speed of college football yet- our secondary has been picking off his passes- let that sink in just a little...as ****** as our D is, Russell struggles to complete passes against it. Can you imagine what he would do against a real defense?
2. He is not the type QB Mullen wants running his offense. Mullen wants a dual threat. Russell is a pocket-passer. Mullen doesnt want to play Lee either, but has to because there is nobody else but Relf. Mullen wants to sign 3 more kids like Relf- except with better skills
We would be stupid to play our 3rd best QB- and this is what Russell is today
2. He is not the type QB Mullen wants running his offense. Mullen wants a dual threat. Russell is a pocket-passer. Mullen doesnt want to play Lee either, but has to because there is nobody else but Relf. Mullen wants to sign 3 more kids like Relf- except with better skills
We would be stupid to play our 3rd best QB- and this is what Russell is today
A true freshman would spend 4 quarters running for his damn life at MSU...not so much at USC/Michigan.
Do you honestly believe Russell could not do that? Relf had almost as many picks as completions. I doubt Russell does worse than that. And he's not going to get used to the speed until he plays against it.
"It can't hurt to play Russell."...REALLY?
You tell him that when he's picking turf out of his facemask every other play.
And save your "go back to the Spirit" bullcrap for Gene's, OK?
You tell him that when he's picking turf out of his facemask every other play.
And save your "go back to the Spirit" bullcrap for Gene's, OK?
how the hell is it any different if it's russell or lee? I didn't see lee getting grass in his facemask.
...consisting of your responses.
Pure gold.
At least your freshman has a chance to develop into a good QB with TIME and PATIENCE. Throw him out to the wolves this year, and you very well may ruin his college career.
But you're just too short-sighted to see that, aren't you?
Pure gold.
At least your freshman has a chance to develop into a good QB with TIME and PATIENCE. Throw him out to the wolves this year, and you very well may ruin his college career.
But you're just too short-sighted to see that, aren't you?
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I honestly don't know or even think that Russell would do any better. Fact is, it wouldn't matter with how bad our defense is. Just saying it couldn't hurt. Go look at our passing stats. Russell probably would be bad this year, but it would benefit us in the future more than playing Lee. Just my opinion.
"Do you honestly believe Russell could not do that?"
He is throwing pick-6's against our defense- so no, I dont think he could. We are a running offense. That is what we are going to be under Mullen. We dont have the WR's anyway to start throwing it around the yard. It's not about Russell's arm- it's Russell learning to run the football and run the option. And thats not his game. He is the wrong fit for what we are looking for now at Miss State
"And he's not going to get used to the speed until he plays against it."
He plays against a ****** SEC defense in practice every day. And he is having very little success. He is not ready for college football yet. Sit back, watch the transition, and hope like hell we sign Cam Newton to be our QB next year, cause I got news for ya- Russell wont beat out Relf for the job next year either.
He is throwing pick-6's against our defense- so no, I dont think he could. We are a running offense. That is what we are going to be under Mullen. We dont have the WR's anyway to start throwing it around the yard. It's not about Russell's arm- it's Russell learning to run the football and run the option. And thats not his game. He is the wrong fit for what we are looking for now at Miss State
"And he's not going to get used to the speed until he plays against it."
He plays against a ****** SEC defense in practice every day. And he is having very little success. He is not ready for college football yet. Sit back, watch the transition, and hope like hell we sign Cam Newton to be our QB next year, cause I got news for ya- Russell wont beat out Relf for the job next year either.
if he isn't better than Lee or Relf then he shouldn't play. we get him some reps in practice, he gets better, and we have him for 4 years when he is more ready to play ball and when we have a crew in front of him who can block. it could hurt because we lose a year of his eligibility in garbage ball, he could literally get hurt, and he may end up with PTSD after playing against the likes of LSU, GaTech, Florida, Alabama and OM. Just because Lee didn't end up in the dirt all night does not in any way mean that he won't end up that way when we play some of the teams coming up that are highly ranked.
At USC, Matt Barkley has an o-line that has at least four guys that are going to play in the NFL. We have the "Four Horsemen" on our o-line. USC has some freakishly good receivers that can catch the ball and run and have the size to make plays on jump balls. Our WR's aren't that bad either, but they aren't exactly USC caliber. And USC also has a guy named Joe McKnight who other teams have to respect, which takes the pressure off of the QB. We have AD running behind said crappy o-line.
If we stuck Tyler Russell out there, it would be a disaster, and it would probably ruin him for the rest of his career. Just like Omarr Conner.
Think about it- first of all, he needs to put some muscle on his frame. He looks like a twig. Russell needs this year if nothing else to get physically ready for the SEC. He would be going up against SEC defenses- which are probably the best and fastest in the SEC, going up against people like Nick Saban. And he would be doing this behind a below average on a wooly day o-line, and with WR's who seem to have a hard time getting open, and only one who has shown me that he can be a legit play maker in Bumphis, and he's a Fr., and then have some decent to good RB's.
MSU people keep waiting on the "QB savior" or the "real deal" and then when they have a bad game, they throw them on the scrap heap. The only QB I can remember in the past 15 years or so coming in as a true Fr. coming in right away and playing at a satisfactory level as the starter was Peyton Manning, and he's one of the top 10 QB's in football history. Guys like Matthew Stafford struggled, and Tim Tebow was reduced to a role player as a freshman. Eli Manning was a back up as a RS Fr. And as far as Wes Carroll, that's about as good as you can realistically hope for, and he was very limited in what he could do.
That said, what we need to do is RS Tyler if at all possible, and then let him be the back up to Cameron Newton (fingers crossed) for the next two years, and then let him start as a junior. QB is one of those postions that a player has to be developed. It's not like WR or RB where you can get a guy like a Bumphis and you can expect him to see significant playing time as a freshman.
And as far as Barkley, I don't know very much about him. I do suspect that he is exremely mature, he probably is a freak of nature, and he probably has been very well coached. And unless we land someone with all of those credentials, we're probably never going to have a Fr. QB be an impact guy right away.
And for those looking for a QB savior- Cameron Newton is probably about as close as we're going to come, should we land him.
If we stuck Tyler Russell out there, it would be a disaster, and it would probably ruin him for the rest of his career. Just like Omarr Conner.
Think about it- first of all, he needs to put some muscle on his frame. He looks like a twig. Russell needs this year if nothing else to get physically ready for the SEC. He would be going up against SEC defenses- which are probably the best and fastest in the SEC, going up against people like Nick Saban. And he would be doing this behind a below average on a wooly day o-line, and with WR's who seem to have a hard time getting open, and only one who has shown me that he can be a legit play maker in Bumphis, and he's a Fr., and then have some decent to good RB's.
MSU people keep waiting on the "QB savior" or the "real deal" and then when they have a bad game, they throw them on the scrap heap. The only QB I can remember in the past 15 years or so coming in as a true Fr. coming in right away and playing at a satisfactory level as the starter was Peyton Manning, and he's one of the top 10 QB's in football history. Guys like Matthew Stafford struggled, and Tim Tebow was reduced to a role player as a freshman. Eli Manning was a back up as a RS Fr. And as far as Wes Carroll, that's about as good as you can realistically hope for, and he was very limited in what he could do.
That said, what we need to do is RS Tyler if at all possible, and then let him be the back up to Cameron Newton (fingers crossed) for the next two years, and then let him start as a junior. QB is one of those postions that a player has to be developed. It's not like WR or RB where you can get a guy like a Bumphis and you can expect him to see significant playing time as a freshman.
And as far as Barkley, I don't know very much about him. I do suspect that he is exremely mature, he probably is a freak of nature, and he probably has been very well coached. And unless we land someone with all of those credentials, we're probably never going to have a Fr. QB be an impact guy right away.
And for those looking for a QB savior- Cameron Newton is probably about as close as we're going to come, should we land him.
PATIENCE, MORON...PATIENCE.
You've got a four star QB who might actually amount to something if you GIVE HIM TIME TO DEVELOP INTO A COLLEGE QUARTERBACK...WHICH AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE SUPPORTING CAST HE'S GOT ON THE MSU OFFENSE THIS YEAR.
You've got a four star QB who might actually amount to something if you GIVE HIM TIME TO DEVELOP INTO A COLLEGE QUARTERBACK...WHICH AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE SUPPORTING CAST HE'S GOT ON THE MSU OFFENSE THIS YEAR.
I recall Mullen saying on the call in show that Russell has come a long way this week. I also recall practices being closed to the public. But I'm sure you have your sources. Guess pick 6's against Auburn by Relf aren't as bad as a pick 6 in practice by Russell.
better QB's every year instead of getting midget walk ons to start. We can't depend on Russell this year or three years from now. We should always have someone behind him. Are you happy with what Lee/Relf brings to the table?
BrandonAcctgDawg said:
Is because this team ain't going anywhere this year. Why waste a year that Russell could be getting better on a 2-4 win season? What's the point in that? So I can sit at Scott Field and watch some other hapless Fr. run around and wonder "Gee, what would this team be like with Tyler Russell as a fifth year senior?" like I wondered in 07 after Omarr had graduated.
****, maybe I should just be thankful that we aren't at least looking at Tyler Russell as a WR or a TE.
But I don't feel we are at the point that we can redshirt players like UF does every year. It's just frustrating watching Lee play knowing he won't be here next year. And I bet Relf never sees the field again if we get Newton.
BrandonAcctgDawg said:
that Mullen isn't going to recruit QB's? Heck, we're already looking at Witt Haggart and Dylan Favre, still recruiting Brunetti and we have that former minor league baseball player in the fold in Steagall.
If there's one thing Mullen knows, it's QB's. I have faith in him on that. Croom is gone. We're not going to be recruiting from the Lollypop Guild anymore for QB's.
Heck, didn't Mullen say something about signing at least two QB's a year?
so we should be recruiting better QBs every year. got it. do you think that every year that the new and better quarterback will start? or might we bring that quarterback along, get him up to speed, red shirt that quarterback and then play him when he is ready and when he is better on the COLLEGE field than the other quarterbacks on the team?
just because Lee was not as good as a High School player as Russell means nothing once they step on the field in Starkville.
plus, we are having a bottleneck situation with our talent right now. Typcially you hope that the older guys on the team are head and shoulders better than the freshmens. right now that isn't the case. so we have guys that we are certain are able to change the game and they are playing. those that we are not certain about we are not playing them.
the point is, if Russell isn't going to be a game changing player who will lead us to immediate victories this year, then we don't need to play him. it is called rebuilding.
just because Lee was not as good as a High School player as Russell means nothing once they step on the field in Starkville.
plus, we are having a bottleneck situation with our talent right now. Typcially you hope that the older guys on the team are head and shoulders better than the freshmens. right now that isn't the case. so we have guys that we are certain are able to change the game and they are playing. those that we are not certain about we are not playing them.
the point is, if Russell isn't going to be a game changing player who will lead us to immediate victories this year, then we don't need to play him. it is called rebuilding.