Why Our Opponent Sucks: Southern Miss Edition

615dawg

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Southern Mississippi.


Brett Favre aside, has anything worth substance ever come out of USM besides arrogance and despair? There are many reasons that USM sucks, but here are three you can take to the bank.


1. The arrogance of their 10 “fans”


The old saying is that USM only has 10 fans. When one dies or becomes an LSU fan, Nugget lays an egg and another one hatches. But have you ever met one of USM’s 10 fans? They are as arrogant as Bama and LSU fans when it comes to State and Ole Miss.


The line on this game is 30 points, yet USM fans think they have a shot because they won a few games against us in the 70s and 80s. The few that aren’t confident about this game are (a) really confident about the 2015 game in Hattiesburg and/or (b) Still playing the “Y’all were scared of us when we were good” card. News flash, Nugget Nation, this game was scheduled when you were coming off an 11-2 season where you thought you should have been in a BCS game.


“We’re going to be the Boise State of the South and bust the BCS,” one USM (now LSU) fan said. Teams that bust the BCS don’t lose to UAB in front of 14,103 fans. Yep. Look it up. The greatest team in USM history lost to UAB.


2. Bower Power


Remember those glory days you like to talk about? You know the ones where you went to bowl games 10 out of 11 seasons, won conference championships and had 14 consecutive winning seasons?


That was orchestrated by Jeff Bower, who most people thought was a pretty good coach. Guy was loyal as well. I’m almost positive in 17 seasons at USM he was not at least flirted with by a low level BCS team. His name was thrown around for Ole Miss and State openings during his tenure on Hardy Street.


After the 2006 season when you won Conference USA’s vaunted East division, USM slipped from the GMAC Bowl to the Papa Johns Bowl and USM’s fans thought they deserved better, so they ran Bower off and hired Larry Fedora.


Fedora, a decent coach, did well at USM - with Bower’s recruits. He parlayed that magical 11-2 season into a job at North Carolina and USM hired Ellis Johnson, who went from 11-2 to 0-12. A -11 in wins. It will never happen again. I didn’t even think it was possible to go from 11-2 and a win over UAB from being in a BCS game to a winless team in a conference that rated worse.


Todd Monken, who USM fans were trying to make better than Fedora. carried that losing streak to 23 games before a magical win at pesky UAB.


3. USM just sucks.


Hattiesburg is a decent town, its a shame that they have to be home to Southern Miss and the largest continent of LSU fans outside of Louisiana. There is absolutely zero support for USM.


For example, remember their 14 straight winning seasons? Still could not sell out big games. They hired a good basketball coach and turned that program around. Couldn’t beg students to come to games. Their baseball team recently went to the College World Series, and when State plays at Pete Taylor Park its all maroon.


They had a home football game scheduled with Nebraska that they had to give back because it was more beneficial to them financially to play in Lincoln than it was Hattiesburg. They even lost the rights to their logo because it was copied from Iowa, or at least a trademark judge thought it was close enough.


The result, USM is in the red by 7 figures athletically. Financially, it makes since to kill their athletic program because it is a disaster. They have a little political clout now that an alum is governor, but they don’t know how to use it. Hell, a recent opinion piece in a Coastal paper begged the legislature to give USM’s Gulf Coast campus to MSU.


And when State and Ole Miss were having down years, USM attempted to get the state legislature to mandate State and Ole Miss play them. Now that State and Ole Miss are on the upswing, they are regretting it.


Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime, they used to say. Now they get their chance.
 

esplanade91

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Reggie Collier.

They had a chance there in the beginning of the modern age to put their foot on the gas and surpass the two SEC schools. Back when we pretty much all had equally ****** stadiums, no TV exposure, and recruiting was based on skill, not some coke addict in Oxford ranking high school players like someone would restaurants.

Just like every single school that has been a part of that conference, CUSA did them dirty, and their own leadership never had a plan on the table... They just blindly went with the flow. That's why they're in debt and there's nothing for them to he positive about right now.

But you're not going to convince me they weren't our peer up until the early-mid 2000's.

They suck because they lack leadership in everything except the music department and business graduate school. They especially suck because they gave the authority to a woman with zero background in sports to find the replacement for their coach following a 12-2 season.
 

UpTheMiddlex3Punt

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Change early 2000's to the mid-1980s and I might go along, but we were ahead of them by the time the Kang era started and certainly by the time they were forced to go into a conference and all the good seats were taken.
 
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+1. I suffered through enough of losing to USM in the the 70s and 80s to know they were toe to toe with us, but by the time JWS got rolling things had tilted. Guy, Winder, Lipps all had nice NFL careers.
 

patdog

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Southern Miss's real chance at becoming a major school came back in the old Metro Conference days. If that conference had played football, it had Florida St., GA Tech, South Carolina, Louisville & VA Tech. But Louisville always balked at being in a football conference and it never happened.

But you're not going to convince me they weren't our peer up until the early-mid 2000's.
As others have pointed out, change that to the about 1990.
 

esplanade91

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That's convenient to pick the best 2-3 years ever in MSU history. The SECCG and the kick away are outliers here. I think they could have either beaten us or given us a run for our money until 2007, and ever since I don't think it would be a game.
 

was21

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About a year ago, I did an analysis of their head to head results against SEC teams over the years. I don't have it in front of me but it seems that they lost about 80% to 85% of those games. Their best results were against us and OM, mainly because they played us more than the other teams in the 60's and 70's. So their success in football has always been pretty much against lesser competition than State and OM, not to mention other SEC teams. It's all ancient history.
 

BiscuitEater

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Before Bower's collapse they fielded some pretty good teams.

Correction ... Bower didn't 'collapse;' most sane USM fans understand that they would still have winning records 'if' the idiots in charge had not rashly FIRED Bower. It's still in the 'top 10' of worse CFB firings after Cutt at OM.

Yes, they never played a SEC schedule, BUT he was fired with a solid 14 year winning streak; he played QB there and it was the 'only' place he wanted to be (unlike Fedora, who left at the FIRST opportunity).

He took them to 10 bowls in 11 years from '96 to '07. No wonder they like NitChampBurg.
 

patdog

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Since the SEC expanded to 12 teams in 1992. USM is 3-27 against the SEC. Wins over 4-7 LSU in 94, 5-6 UGA in 96, & 3-8 Bama in 00. Average score in all games is SEC - 28, USM - 13.
 
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was21

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Good stuff. Also all time record against current SEC teams is 27 wins and 87 losses. So all time winning percentage against SEC teams is about 24%
 

esplanade91

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Correction ... Bower didn't 'collapse;' most sane USM fans understand that they would still have winning records 'if' the idiots in charge had not rashly FIRED Bower. It's still in the 'top 10' of worse CFB firings after Cutt at OM.

Yes, they never played a SEC schedule, BUT he was fired with a solid 14 year winning streak; he played QB there and it was the 'only' place he wanted to be (unlike Fedora, who left at the FIRST opportunity).

He took them to 10 bowls in 11 years from '96 to '07. No wonder they like NitChampBurg.

He didn't "collapse" in the Tommy Tuberville sense of the word, but he lost the "it" factor there at the end. I don't think any of their 10 fans would claim firing him was a bad idea.

You can't say they'd still be winning because they went to **** the very next season after Bower and won BECAUSE of Fedora. Those few seasons between 07 and the CUSA championship years were awful, and it was almost entirely Bower's fault.

I applaud them for rolling the dice and realizing that the Eddie Robinson days of loyal HOF coach sticking up for the little guy are over. In the new era of haves and have-nots, the only way for a team like USM to stay relevant is to be a jumping off point. They would probably still be winning if they hadn't deviated from that plan and hired a 90 year old guy who won like 2 games in his entire head coaching career before coming aboard.
 

johnson86-1

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That's convenient to pick the best 2-3 years ever in MSU history. The SECCG and the kick away are outliers here. I think they could have either beaten us or given us a run for our money until 2007, and ever since I don't think it would be a game.

It's not just about how ****** or not the MSU team happened to be at the time. It's the difference between being in the SEC versus CUSA. By the 90's, it was clear the CUSA was not going to keep up. Only incompetence on the part of UM and MSU combined with USM being lucky enough to have a good, loyal coach allowed it to be a discussion. Any time State or UM stepped up and hired a competent athletic director, it would not longer be a question. And even in the Crooms error, we still beat their conference champion in a bowl. That 7-5 team was not significantly better than Croom's last team, it was just extremely lucky and didn't give up by the end of the season. USM was still at a pretty high point in their program and MSU still would have been competetive with them when it was at its lowest.
 

esplanade91

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It's not just about how ****** or not the MSU team happened to be at the time. It's the difference between being in the SEC versus CUSA. By the 90's, it was clear the CUSA was not going to keep up. Only incompetence on the part of UM and MSU combined with USM being lucky enough to have a good, loyal coach allowed it to be a discussion. Any time State or UM stepped up and hired a competent athletic director, it would not longer be a question. And even in the Crooms error, we still beat their conference champion in a bowl. That 7-5 team was not significantly better than Croom's last team, it was just extremely lucky and didn't give up by the end of the season. USM was still at a pretty high point in their program and MSU still would have been competetive with them when it was at its lowest.

Well Clark, I didn't say anything about the SEC. I said OUR peer.

Their record against Georgia or whoever else is irrelevant to what I said because they were nothing more than business partners for a couple games. And we were losing to them too.
 
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121Josey

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That's convenient to pick the best 2-3 years ever in MSU history. The SECCG and the kick away are outliers here. I think they could have either beaten us or given us a run for our money until 2007, and ever since I don't think it would be a game.

USM had no bowl games in the Sherrill/Bower era until 1997. State had 2 trips to the Peach Bowl and a Liberty bowl to that point. Do you prefer those three years? In 1997, State had a 7-4 record and would have had a decent bowl if Ears Tubberville wouldn't have gone for 2. In 1996, we had enough talent to beat Bama. In 1995, State went 3-8 but lost 4 of those games by a TD or less. Do you prefer those three years?

Even in the down years during the Sherrill era, MSU had a lot of talent. USM might have been better during the Croom Error, but no way during Sherrill's time. They couldn't beat Sherrill's three worst teams in Bower's best three years!
 

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the only reason state does so well financially is because they are the welfare case of the sec
 

BiscuitEater

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Also, notice ..

Since the SEC expanded to 12 teams in 1992. USM is 3-27 against the SEC. Wins over 4-7 LSU in 94, 5-6 UGA in 96, & 3-8 Bama in 00. Average score in all games is SEC - 28, USM - 13.

'where' every single game against an SEC opponent was played. So, their 'anyone, anytime, anyplace' actually means they will play any SEC school @ their place EXCEPT Mississippi State, where they expect a home/home arrangement.

09/12/92@ AlabamaLost10-17
09/26/92@ AuburnLost8-16
11/07/92@ FloridaLost20-24
09/25/93@ AuburnLost24-35
10/09/93@ GeorgiaLost24-54
10/30/93@ AlabamaLost0-40
10/08/94@ AlabamaLost6-14
11/05/94@ FloridaLost17-55
11/20/94@ LSUWon20-18
09/09/95@ Alabama (Bham)Lost20-24
11/04/95@ TennesseeLost0-42
08/31/96@ GeorgiaWon11-7
09/07/96@ Alabama (Bham)Lost10-20
08/30/97@ FloridaLost6-21
09/27/97@ Alabama (Bham)Lost13-27
11/08/97@ TennesseeLost20-44
10/31/98@ AlabamaLost20-30
10/30/99@ AlabamaLost14-35
09/02/00@ TennesseeLost16-19
09/16/00@ AlabamaWon21-0
11/29/01@ AlabamaLost15-28
09/21/02@ AlabamaLost7-20
10/11/03@ AlabamaLost3-17
10/16/04@ AlabamaLost3-27
09/10/05@ AlabamaLost21-30
09/02/06@ TennesseeLost7-34
09/08/07@ FloridaLost19-39
09/06/08@ AuburnLost13-27
09/02/10@ USCeLost 13-41
09/14/13@ ArkansasLost 56-13

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EAVdog

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It's time for the State of Mississippi to end the fiasco of USM.

Let MSU take over their Gulf Coast campus and the Hattiesburg Campus. End their football program all together and start a MSU Men's Soccer team based out of H-burg. Although the stadium might be a tad small for soccer.

Ole Miss can continue to exist as the Liberal Arts college that attracts 50% of its students from Georgia and Texas.