Why people say Stansbury ran our program into the ground by Coach34

[Coach34]

Anybody that cant see the current state of Mississippi State basketball is Stansbury's fault is lying to themselves. No, it wont be Stansbury's fault 4 years from now- but in the short-term- you damn right it's on him. Basketball has a smaller roster and can be changed- but it does take a little time. It still doesnt happen overnight. Just because you get new parts- it doesnt mean that they will be right parts- especially in a desperate situation like we are now.

We lost 2 of our recruiting class for 2011 before the season even started because Stansbury signed headcases
We lost 2 Seniors
We lost 2 Jr's who declared for the draft
We lost a Freshman from the 2011 recruiting class because he didnt like the circus that is State basketball (Hood)
We lost another Freshman from the 2011 recruiting class because he is a poor man's Charlie Sheen (Deville)

So, we have 1 recruit left from the much heralded 2011 recruiting class and he is the worst one of them all- whose fault is that? Where's does that blame go?
Would you agree with me that losing damn near an entire recruiting class really hampers your program? Now couple losing an entire recruiting class with losing all 4 of your upperclassmen- whose fault is that?

We had trouble hiring a name coach because of the black eye the program has had from the lack of discipline- whose fault is that?

The program has bottomed out because of the state it is in- not how many games were won and lost last season. Jackie went from Snow Bowl champ to loser in one season. It wasnt a gradual decline- it was an immediate dropoff. And had Stansbury stayed as coach one more season- it would have been the same for him.

Now then, when you examine all this- we have bottomed out- almost no returning players with experience because of attrition, graduation, and draft. This is as bad as the program has been since Richard Williams started building it up in the late 1980's. Can we bounce back from it fairly quickly? Possibly. That's the unknown. If Ray can make some good decisions, and he and Flanigan can sign a few good players in the next class- we can get the program back on it's feet in a couple of years.

 

[Coach34]

Anybody that cant see the current state of Mississippi State basketball is Stansbury's fault is lying to themselves. No, it wont be Stansbury's fault 4 years from now- but in the short-term- you damn right it's on him. Basketball has a smaller roster and can be changed- but it does take a little time. It still doesnt happen overnight. Just because you get new parts- it doesnt mean that they will be right parts- especially in a desperate situation like we are now.

We lost 2 of our recruiting class for 2011 before the season even started because Stansbury signed headcases
We lost 2 Seniors
We lost 2 Jr's who declared for the draft
We lost a Freshman from the 2011 recruiting class because he didnt like the circus that is State basketball (Hood)
We lost another Freshman from the 2011 recruiting class because he is a poor man's Charlie Sheen (Deville)

So, we have 1 recruit left from the much heralded 2011 recruiting class and he is the worst one of them all- whose fault is that? Where's does that blame go?
Would you agree with me that losing damn near an entire recruiting class really hampers your program? Now couple losing an entire recruiting class with losing all 4 of your upperclassmen- whose fault is that?

We had trouble hiring a name coach because of the black eye the program has had from the lack of discipline- whose fault is that?

The program has bottomed out because of the state it is in- not how many games were won and lost last season. Jackie went from Snow Bowl champ to loser in one season. It wasnt a gradual decline- it was an immediate dropoff. And had Stansbury stayed as coach one more season- it would have been the same for him.

Now then, when you examine all this- we have bottomed out- almost no returning players with experience because of attrition, graduation, and draft. This is as bad as the program has been since Richard Williams started building it up in the late 1980's. Can we bounce back from it fairly quickly? Possibly. That's the unknown. If Ray can make some good decisions, and he and Flanigan can sign a few good players in the next class- we can get the program back on it's feet in a couple of years.

 

[Coach34]

Anybody that cant see the current state of Mississippi State basketball is Stansbury's fault is lying to themselves. No, it wont be Stansbury's fault 4 years from now- but in the short-term- you damn right it's on him. Basketball has a smaller roster and can be changed- but it does take a little time. It still doesnt happen overnight. Just because you get new parts- it doesnt mean that they will be right parts- especially in a desperate situation like we are now.

We lost 2 of our recruiting class for 2011 before the season even started because Stansbury signed headcases
We lost 2 Seniors
We lost 2 Jr's who declared for the draft
We lost a Freshman from the 2011 recruiting class because he didnt like the circus that is State basketball (Hood)
We lost another Freshman from the 2011 recruiting class because he is a poor man's Charlie Sheen (Deville)

So, we have 1 recruit left from the much heralded 2011 recruiting class and he is the worst one of them all- whose fault is that? Where's does that blame go?
Would you agree with me that losing damn near an entire recruiting class really hampers your program? Now couple losing an entire recruiting class with losing all 4 of your upperclassmen- whose fault is that?

We had trouble hiring a name coach because of the black eye the program has had from the lack of discipline- whose fault is that?

The program has bottomed out because of the state it is in- not how many games were won and lost last season. Jackie went from Snow Bowl champ to loser in one season. It wasnt a gradual decline- it was an immediate dropoff. And had Stansbury stayed as coach one more season- it would have been the same for him.

Now then, when you examine all this- we have bottomed out- almost no returning players with experience because of attrition, graduation, and draft. This is as bad as the program has been since Richard Williams started building it up in the late 1980's. Can we bounce back from it fairly quickly? Possibly. That's the unknown. If Ray can make some good decisions, and he and Flanigan can sign a few good players in the next class- we can get the program back on it's feet in a couple of years.

 

[EmoryBellard]

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[coach66]

pretty good run, yes. Stan's approach became unsustainable when he rolled the dice on the "Fat Bastard" and lost. Was it time for a change? Yes<div>
</div><div>I don't think we can truly evaluate "run into the ground" until we see how Ray finishes next year. Then we will have a better perspective.</div>

 

[Buford T. Justice]

Sidney was a problem. Stansbury recruited him and allowed him to be lazy and out of shape. Stansbury let him start even after he didn't make the European trip. What kind of message does that send?

Bost busted *** on the court, but was an absolute cancer off of it. He poisoned the players on the program. Stansbury saw it, but allowed it to go on.

If Moultrie knee was really a suspension, why did Stansbury hide it? You can't do that because it causes problems. Call it a suspension and go on.

The list of problems goes on. Players were the problem, but Stansbury recruited them and allowed them
to act the way they did. Mullen doesn't put up with that crap. Stansbury no longer had their respect, and it is because he didn't earn it or demand it.

Stansbury lost control and let the inmates run the prison. He had to go. I'm pissed at Hood for bailing, but he was ready to get away from the circus and I don't blame him.

 

[Hanmudog]

Granted losing Hood and DeVille was on Stansbury but exactly how could any coach have prevented Bost and Bryant from graduating and Moultrie and Sidney from declaring for the draft?

Sometimes teams just lose all of their good players at once and have to rebuild. See Trent Johnson after his first year. Stansbury left us in bad shape but in no way is our program destroyed. If Ray turns out to be a decent recruiter and restores some discipline then we will be back in the NCAA tournamentwithin 2 or 3 years.

The problem with you Coach and many of your dipshit followers is that if a poster does not display an absolute irrational hatred of Rick Stansbury then you label them a sheep that was content with the status quo in spite of the fact that almost all of us realized it was time for a change but choose not to tear down everything that Stansbury did right.

 

[tenureplan]

The excuses I'm making for being wrong about the caliber of coach we could hire by Coach34.

 

[Coach34]

focus on the topic

Who we hired had nothing to do with large majority of what I said in the post

 

[Hanmudog]

When Stansbury "retired" the first thing I thought was "now C34 will finally STFU about Stansbury and quit cluttering up sixpack". Man was I wrong.

 

[MemphisMaroonClubDog]

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[Dawg4Life]

Asshat.

 

[Coach34]

Granted losing Hood and DeVille was on Stansbury but exactly how could any coach have prevented Bost and Bryant from graduating and Moultrie and Sidney from declaring for the draft?

Sometimes teams just lose all of their good players at once and have to rebuild. See Trent Johnson after his first year. Stansbury left us in bad shape but in no way is our program destroyed. If Ray turns out to be a decent recruiter and restores some discipline then we will be back in the NCAA tournamentwithin 2 or 3 years.

The problem with you Coach and many of your dipshit followers is that if a poster does not display an absolute irrational hatred of Rick Stansbury then you label them a sheep that was content with the status quo in spite of the fact that almost all of us realized it was time for a change but choose not to tear down everything that Stansbury did right.

nobody said it was Stansbury's fault Seniors graduated or Moultrie left early- but when that is combined with losing an entire recruiting class- it's lethal

Nobody has to have an irrational hate of Stansbury- hell, I like Rick Stansbury the Man- just not the Coach. But you and others refuse to acknowledge where the blame lies currently.

Trent Johnson is a funny example coming from you of all people. You called him everything except the worst coach in America when he lost his roster

 

[futaba.79]

"Why people say...........by Coach 34." Isn't this your op-ed piece, hence your opinion?

 

[BillBraskyDOG]

What does any of that have to do with shaka smart warming to the idea of coaching msu????

 

[Coach34]

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[Hanmudog]

Ah 17 it. Tired of this argument.

 

[OzarkaNSW]

lost a lot of Croom recruits when he came in like Fletcher, Banks, Boyd, or Bumphis, you would blame that on Croom? or Mullen?

 

[tenureplan]

And you really can't put Deville's inability to keep his nose clean on Stansbury. Even you said that problem was beyond Stansbury during the season. Didn't Hood ***** about Ray via twitter right before he announced his plans to transfer. So now we're left with Moultrie who would have been 50/50 at best anyway. Face it, the hire wowed players, recruits, and their families even less than it wowed us. </p>

 

[MemphisMaroonClubDog]

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[GloryDawg]

Coach34[/b]]Jackie went from Snow Bowl champ to loser in one season. It wasnt a gradual decline- it was an immediate dropoff. And had Stansbury stayed as coach one more season- it would have been the same for him.

It didn't help that the NCAA was camped out on our campus, following members of the football team around, asking every business owners questions about members of the football team and generally harassing everything to do with the program. Plus the SEC adding the new JUCO transfer rules that was put into place right before the spring semester not allowing many of his JUCO recruits to enroll until the fall. I believe to this day that rule was put into place because Miss State not being one of the big boys was competing with the big boys with JUCO guysand the SEC did not want Miss STate who does not bring a lot of money to the table getting all the spot light. It was a conspiracy against Miss State by the SEC. Yeah call me nuts but that's my opinion.

 

[fishwater99]

Our "old coach" took some major risks with his last signing class and it is really hurting our program right now. The signing of RSS was what really started the decline in our program. He did as he wanted with no repercussions b/c he had our "Old Coach" by the balls. J-Money had a real similar situation, but it didn't have near the effect on our program.

 

[BiscuitEater]

figures indicate that 40% of NCAA Div 1 basketball players transfer. Name a SEC school that DOESN'T have any transfers. Bama just lost their #2 QB who is transfering to UVA. Kids move.


Stans is gone. There were problems in the program. Think most fans understand a change was needed. We got that covered.


Contrary to your post, Hood did not decide to tranfer until AFTER Stans left. Not saying he would have stayed under Stans BUT you can't say he would have left regardless.

 

[Hanmudog]

Our "old coach" took some major risks with his last signing class and it is really hurting our program right now. The signing of RSS was what really started the decline in our program. He did as he wanted with no repercussions b/c he had our "Old Coach" by the balls. J-Money had a real similar situation, but it didn't have near the effect on our program.

If Stansbury didn't go after Gardner (who averaged nearly 40 ppg in HS) and Deville Smith then everyone would have been freaking out about how we letthem get away. I do not fault him for that at all. The real only real big risk Stansbury ever took was with Sidney. It failed big time.

 

[shsdawg]

those excuses for the new guy if he doesn't work out? I understand your desire to CYA for what will most likely happen next year but how long do you plan on using them? Just wondering. Of course I believe you said ANYBODYwould doBETTER than Stans so I'm expecting us to make the NCAA Sweet 16 AS A MINIMUM next year now. If notthen it's YOUR fault. SNICKER.

 

[Coach34]

lost a lot of Croom recruits when he came in like Fletcher, Banks, Boyd, or Bumphis, you would blame that on Croom? or Mullen?

Only one we lost was Gray- and he had his hand out- so we told him to get lost. We told Hardwick to get lost- he is not good enough for SEC basketball.

Soooooo, who did we lose?

 

[Dawgbreeze]

But the sick sob can't give it up. Stans is laughing all the way to the bank and this clown is still obsessed . Sad indeed

 

[DerHntr]

He let the "team" turn into a collection of individuals who didn't respect the opportunity to be an MSU basketball player. They showed it through their actions on and off the court. A coach simply cannot allow that type of culture to invade his program and that is exactly what Rick did.

 

[Athlete34]

Hood didn't ask for a transfer until AFTER the new coach was announced, so even though he was admittedly frustrated, he'd still probably be here if Stans was here.<div>
</div><div>So would Gray, and according to many, Pollard as well.</div><div>
</div><div>Like many others have said, this is just what happens when you change coaches, you lose signees, potential recruits, and have transfers. Doesn't mean it's Ray's fault, but it's not Stansbury's either. </div><div>
</div><div>We'd certainly have a better roster if Stansbury was still here, but it was time for change, and with change, these things sometimes happen.
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[MadDawg.sixpack]

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[Coach34]

But the sick sob can't give it up. Stans is laughing all the way to the bank and this clown is still obsessed . Sad indeed

Gooddddddddd jobbbbbbbb Coach Rayyyyyyyyy

I want to see you compliment our new coach just one time. Once

 

[MemphisMaroonClubDog]

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[MemphisMaroonClubDog]

maybe you can even tell him thank you for the way he was tagging your mama</p>

 

[BillBraskyDOG]

This is the worst feud ever. You are both old and terrible.

 

[drunkernhelldawg]

This might be your dumbest post ever. And the timing of it is as impressive as the Titantic Captain's enthusiasm.

For the record, I'm liking the Ray hire.

Go Dawgs.

 

[Dawgbreeze]

I will give coach Ray some credit if this latest group of signees pan out. I will be the first to admit I am happy he has filled some needs. Now, I will restate what I have stated hundreds of times, can you stfu about Stansbury? We get it, you hate him. How about buying some tickets now and give us a break.

 

[patdog]

Especially the comparison to the football program circa 2001. I hate that Stans had to be forced out like he did, but I'm really glad he didn't try to stick it out one more year. That would have been a disaster. I really wish he had just taken the Clemson job when he had the chance.

 

[MSUDawg25]

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[MSUDawg25]

all comes down to what the reasonable expectations of our basketball program should be. Love him or hate him, Stans overall career exceeded what our expectations should be as a basketball program. We were easily in the top half of the conference (probably top 1/3) during his tenure despite the fact that we don't have the money, history, or recruiting base to expect such. Stans definitely had lost a lot of control over the team over the last few years, but we were still winning games. It used to crack me up hearing C34 bitching about our 20 win seasons while teams with more money and better recruiting bases are jealous as **** of our 20+ win seasons. I was ok with letting stans go because he was clearly ready to quit at the end of this season, but it quickly became clear that our job was not as attractive as we thought.

I wish coach ray the best, but I'm not the only one thinking we've made a big mistake.

 

[HD6]

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