I came up with the idea of that we start a gofundme page for stoops buyout. And say if there's 100,000 middle class cats football fans out there. If we all throw 150 dollars each that's enough to buy him out! And let's just say what if there's only 50,000 middle class cats football fans out there. It would still only be 300 dollars each to buy him out. I would throw more than 300 dollars for the cause to be honest. It wouldn't be impossible to make happen you all! Man that would be awesome if us fans bought out our own coach. We wait a year it'll only be 120 or 240 each. Ain't too bad!
Why should Stoops have only 3 years?
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I think that's about right.
I look at it this way. Imagine someone very knowledgeable about college football, including UK and its history and Stoop's time here to date, and assume they have no dog in the hunt and don't care whether he stays or goes. How would that person react if you told him you wanted Stoops fired? I suspect they would think it's crazy.....
Well, it's been a dismal, unorganized season. I believe MS will be here two more years no matter what unless he crashes a Harley with his secretary on board.
I like Stoops. He needs to make changes to make us at least LOOK like a real football team. We have a great TE it seems, use him! I can live with the losses, I have for years, but if he can eliminate some coaching blunders I believe the wins will come.
I like Stoops. He needs to make changes to make us at least LOOK like a real football team. We have a great TE it seems, use him! I can live with the losses, I have for years, but if he can eliminate some coaching blunders I believe the wins will come.
The reason he shouldn't get more than 3 years is pretty simple: because that's the amount of time a coach gets in modern day football to show what he's got. Years one and two can be blamed on implementing things, but in year three you have a really clear picture of where things are going and what the ceiling is with a particular coach. I know I see more and more of us digging for reasons to justify this year's debacle of a season (because that, after all, is what we as UK fans are great at, justifying bad things as the sting of the loss wears off) but if this were any other SEC school Stoops would be gone right now. Coaches get 3 years in this day and age, and 99.9% of the time the AD's that fire an underwhelming coach after 3 years are deadly accurate when looking in hindsight. There is rarely if ever a coach fired after 3 years where you look back and say 'Boy, we fired him too quickly'. Trust your gut and quit trying to justify this absolutely abysmal season.
There is one school in the entire power 5 that hasn't been to a bowl in five years AND not replaced their AD. Stoops should get a fourth year. It's time for Mitch to go though with that contract he signed.
He SHOULD only have three years because it's very easy to see that he's not capable of being a head coach in the SEC. He WILL get four or maybe even five years because his buyout clause is much too high for UK to pay. He is in a position where everyone knows it's just a matter of time but we have to suck it up. I can't believe any human can be as inept as him yet we're stuck with him for 1-2 more painful years.
Why, because he doesn't dislikes Stoops as much as you do? That doesn't make him a troll.
All of you who want Stoops fired after year #3, ask yourself a question, where is UK in the pecking order of South Carolina and Missouri?
Some need a shot of reality in the arm. UK is 3rd in the pecking order of South Carolina and Missouri. With all these openings that happened this off season South Carolina hired a proven loser who hired the same OC that he had at Florida, and everyone turned down the Missouri job and so they had to hire the DC as the head coach. Seriously, do you people want DJ Eliot or Shannon Dawson as your head coach? That's the equivalent that you'd get if you fired Stoops right now.
People saying that not firing Stoops is delaying the inevitable, but what do you do when you have an offseason with the most openings that FBS has seen and schools in a higher pecking order than you fail to make a splash hire. Logic will tell you that the inevitable would be that you hire someone with a fraction of the coaching ability as Stoops, and you would hire then for a 3 year period where recruiting wouldn't be nearly as good, thus delaying anything that the next Head Coach could do with a talent deficient roster like the one Stoops inherited. Which means you begin the circle of failure again.
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For those who said Stoops doesn't know what he's doing, ask yourself this question... Why did he figure it out for the first half of the season 2 years in a row, but not the 2nd half?
Another shot of reality needs to be given to some. Starting 4-1 this season, and starting 5-1 last season obviously shows that Stoops has figured it out enough to have his team playing competitively and inspired for the first half of the season. For those who is comparing Stoops to Joker, ask yourself when did Joker do that? I like Joker and know him, but the staff and the head coach from that era to this era is night and day. Joker had an issue with assembling a team, let alone even playing a game. Stoops' problem is figuring out how to get his players to sustain the energy and competitiveness that they start the season with. That's a far cry from Joker!
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Do any of you realize that Mark Stoops inherited the worst roster of any team in a P5 conference? That's not just me saying it, several pundits have said that and continue to say that. It was remarkable that Stoops even began last season with a 5-1 record. For those who think James Franklin did a remarkable job, go and look at how many Vandy players he inherited sniffed the NFL. I'll give you a hint, it was more than he inherited at Penn State. The outcome of his lack of success at Penn State compared to when he was at Vandy is no coincidence. So don't compare what James Franklin did at Vandy to what Mark Stoops is doing at UK. Bottom line is the NFL players Stoops inherited are Avery Williamson and Bud Dupree, the rest he's recruited himself or converted from a WR to a LB and developed them himself. Crazy thing is Bud Dupree said himself that he developed more under Stoops in 1 year than he did his entire time under Joker. I really believe you guys think UK is in a better position than we really are.
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Another dose of reality needs to be given to fans who think they'll pull another successful head coach from another team at this level. Mark Stoops was a coordinator, Joker was a coordinator, Rich Brooks was former NFL DC who was out of work, Guy Morris was an OLine coach off of a staff that left because of NCAA infractions, Hal Mumme was a D3 head coach, Bill Curry was a head coach who was about to be let go..... News flash all UK is going to be able to get from a high level school is a coordinator, and as long as that is the case, we will have to deal with a HC who is learning on the job. Sure we can go get Mark Hudspeth, but recruiting will severely suffer, I'm talking someone who is struggling to land Joker like recruits. If you look at the SEC's history of HC's coming in without any prior HC experience it ain't good. For every Philip Fulmer there are like 10 Will Muschamp's. Unless UK suddenly jumps up in stature, its best Head Coaches will always be coordinators. That unfortunately comes with a learning curve and it will always take them some years to get over that learning curve. Yeah you could find a James Franklin, but that's rare. Are you willing to fire the next 5 or 10 HC's to find a James Franklin who inherits a nice roster, or will you let a coordinator go through his pains of being a first time HC while showing competence and recruiting the best in program history and let him build something out of what was previously nothing?
Some need a shot of reality in the arm. UK is 3rd in the pecking order of South Carolina and Missouri. With all these openings that happened this off season South Carolina hired a proven loser who hired the same OC that he had at Florida, and everyone turned down the Missouri job and so they had to hire the DC as the head coach. Seriously, do you people want DJ Eliot or Shannon Dawson as your head coach? That's the equivalent that you'd get if you fired Stoops right now.
People saying that not firing Stoops is delaying the inevitable, but what do you do when you have an offseason with the most openings that FBS has seen and schools in a higher pecking order than you fail to make a splash hire. Logic will tell you that the inevitable would be that you hire someone with a fraction of the coaching ability as Stoops, and you would hire then for a 3 year period where recruiting wouldn't be nearly as good, thus delaying anything that the next Head Coach could do with a talent deficient roster like the one Stoops inherited. Which means you begin the circle of failure again.
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For those who said Stoops doesn't know what he's doing, ask yourself this question... Why did he figure it out for the first half of the season 2 years in a row, but not the 2nd half?
Another shot of reality needs to be given to some. Starting 4-1 this season, and starting 5-1 last season obviously shows that Stoops has figured it out enough to have his team playing competitively and inspired for the first half of the season. For those who is comparing Stoops to Joker, ask yourself when did Joker do that? I like Joker and know him, but the staff and the head coach from that era to this era is night and day. Joker had an issue with assembling a team, let alone even playing a game. Stoops' problem is figuring out how to get his players to sustain the energy and competitiveness that they start the season with. That's a far cry from Joker!
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Do any of you realize that Mark Stoops inherited the worst roster of any team in a P5 conference? That's not just me saying it, several pundits have said that and continue to say that. It was remarkable that Stoops even began last season with a 5-1 record. For those who think James Franklin did a remarkable job, go and look at how many Vandy players he inherited sniffed the NFL. I'll give you a hint, it was more than he inherited at Penn State. The outcome of his lack of success at Penn State compared to when he was at Vandy is no coincidence. So don't compare what James Franklin did at Vandy to what Mark Stoops is doing at UK. Bottom line is the NFL players Stoops inherited are Avery Williamson and Bud Dupree, the rest he's recruited himself or converted from a WR to a LB and developed them himself. Crazy thing is Bud Dupree said himself that he developed more under Stoops in 1 year than he did his entire time under Joker. I really believe you guys think UK is in a better position than we really are.
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Another dose of reality needs to be given to fans who think they'll pull another successful head coach from another team at this level. Mark Stoops was a coordinator, Joker was a coordinator, Rich Brooks was former NFL DC who was out of work, Guy Morris was an OLine coach off of a staff that left because of NCAA infractions, Hal Mumme was a D3 head coach, Bill Curry was a head coach who was about to be let go..... News flash all UK is going to be able to get from a high level school is a coordinator, and as long as that is the case, we will have to deal with a HC who is learning on the job. Sure we can go get Mark Hudspeth, but recruiting will severely suffer, I'm talking someone who is struggling to land Joker like recruits. If you look at the SEC's history of HC's coming in without any prior HC experience it ain't good. For every Philip Fulmer there are like 10 Will Muschamp's. Unless UK suddenly jumps up in stature, its best Head Coaches will always be coordinators. That unfortunately comes with a learning curve and it will always take them some years to get over that learning curve. Yeah you could find a James Franklin, but that's rare. Are you willing to fire the next 5 or 10 HC's to find a James Franklin who inherits a nice roster, or will you let a coordinator go through his pains of being a first time HC while showing competence and recruiting the best in program history and let him build something out of what was previously nothing?
Even good coaches have disappointing seasons. LSU lost 3 games this year and the Mad Hatter is the most successful coach they've ever had. Mark Richt disappointed this season...another elite coach. It cost him his job.
I think most fans *wanted* 7 wins this year, with a shot at 8 in a bowl. We didn't get there. That doesn't mean Stoops is in over his head and it doesn't mean he can't turn it around.
Stoops has completed 3 seasons. I'll give him a pass on the dumpster fire that was season 1. Season 2 was about what I expected. Season 3, we should have went bowling.
I'm not ready to declare him a failure based on one season.
I think most fans *wanted* 7 wins this year, with a shot at 8 in a bowl. We didn't get there. That doesn't mean Stoops is in over his head and it doesn't mean he can't turn it around.
Stoops has completed 3 seasons. I'll give him a pass on the dumpster fire that was season 1. Season 2 was about what I expected. Season 3, we should have went bowling.
I'm not ready to declare him a failure based on one season.
Let me know how that turns out, we can't get our entire area where I live to maintain the grass!
to me Joker was obvious year 1. so added time for better recruiting is already factored in for Stoops. no one else has ever been as befuddled and went on to right the ship.
He will get at least one more if not two more years
Can't afford to let him go IMO
I wish there was some solid evidence I could point to that says "Yeah, he's going to get it done" but sadly I don't see a shred of it from this year in combination with the last 5-7 campaign....maybe evidence (through transfers) that the outlook is even bleaker than before
Can't afford to let him go IMO
I wish there was some solid evidence I could point to that says "Yeah, he's going to get it done" but sadly I don't see a shred of it from this year in combination with the last 5-7 campaign....maybe evidence (through transfers) that the outlook is even bleaker than before
I don't see many that want him fired after year three. I think it would be foolish to do it. I think Stoops needs a forth year. If he gets us to any bowl with a 6-6 record or better he deserves a fifth. If not, there is nothing that would change my mind about wanting him fired.
Is Stoops too stupid to understand this? Why would he hire such inexperience? Is he really that effing dumb?
Homerun of a post.
The nellies just need to take a deep breath and put this past season behind them. Not saying some criticism toward Coach Stoops isn't warranted, but he is on a learning curve and won't turn into Bear Bryant in 3 seasons.
We also have a very solid foundation heading into next fall and a lot of talented players coming back. More talent than I can ever remember honestly. We also have a very good recruiting class coming in.
Really - there is still a lot of positives surrounding this team and program.
Haha!!! Yet you follow my post like a lost little puppy dog. How am I wrong?
Surely you remember when Auburn was down 24-0 at halftime and came back to beat Alabama. They are rivals by the way. Saban tends to be a great coach. Oh, and it wasn't just for a bowl game, it was for a SEC championship and right to play for a National Championship that auburn would eventually win. Of course, we all know you refuse to look at facts. All you can do is name call.
Oh, which is against board rules by the way.
I choose to ignore facts? Says the man who called this years USC team equivalent to last years Florida team.
Same old argument that I have explained to you every time. You choose to ignore it because you have nothing else to point to.
Quit following my posts man. You look ridiculous, and quite frankly, like you're stalking me. Again, you never prove me wrong. Why? Because I post facts to back up my opinions. You post insults. Now run along little fella.
well according to that thread where you made that claim, you changed your argument in a way that best fits you so no you don't use facts, you say something, someone proves your point wrong, then you change your stance on the argument. Facts? You said stoops is a good coach because Kentucky is improving every year since being here, you have no facts to prove that, your exact words in that thread. You said THIS YEARS, your words, THIS YEARS USC team is equivalent to LAST YEARS FLORIDA team. And then you said how is this years USC win not a quality win since they're equivalent to last years Florida team? You don't use the words 'this years' and 'last years' when referring to the program's historically. And if you were to say those teams were equivalent historically, then you'd still be dumb. But those weren't your words. Your words were THIS YEARS USC TEAM, and LAST YEARS FLORIDA TEAM. You are absolutely the worst poster here.
UKani is going down to the bitter end with this, isn't he? We've seen this before with posters. Gillispie, Tubby, Joker, etc. This isn't gonna turn out well for you. Sorry. Stoops isn't going to work out.
Fire him now? No, of course not, but the writing is on the wall. He's been horribly unorganized and it's getting worse. Poor decision after poor decision. Those are just brief examples of the staffs embarrassing ineptness. Tell me...what exactly does he do that is right? Something that has won us a ball game or two that we should not have. You come up with excuse after excuse as to why it's not fair to criticize him...well, then YOU tell us why he's the guy then. And give us some proof. Back it up.
Fire him now? No, of course not, but the writing is on the wall. He's been horribly unorganized and it's getting worse. Poor decision after poor decision. Those are just brief examples of the staffs embarrassing ineptness. Tell me...what exactly does he do that is right? Something that has won us a ball game or two that we should not have. You come up with excuse after excuse as to why it's not fair to criticize him...well, then YOU tell us why he's the guy then. And give us some proof. Back it up.
Pedro has come up with a whole new definition of trolling.*
*Now it means anything he doesn't understand or like.
Personally I've come to the conclusion Stoops should keep coaching this program until he (1)wins, or (2)his losing causes his boss to lose his job first.
Anybody on this forum calling for Stoops to be fired first before the athletic director who hired Joker before him is just a moron who is more part of the problem of why Kentucky football has been and is what it is. Sorry if my truth bomb blows up in your face, but grow some nuts and log off with your blathering about firing Stoops or hiring this guy or that guy.
Because if you think the football program is in a bad situation maybe your anger should be directed to a higher office than Stoops. And maybe you shouldn't be stupid enough to trust the athletic director to make what would be an unprecedented FOURTH hire of football coaches. Most SEC programs fire their AD's if they make 1 stinker of a hire, y'know.
Anybody on this forum calling for Stoops to be fired first before the athletic director who hired Joker before him is just a moron who is more part of the problem of why Kentucky football has been and is what it is. Sorry if my truth bomb blows up in your face, but grow some nuts and log off with your blathering about firing Stoops or hiring this guy or that guy.
Because if you think the football program is in a bad situation maybe your anger should be directed to a higher office than Stoops. And maybe you shouldn't be stupid enough to trust the athletic director to make what would be an unprecedented FOURTH hire of football coaches. Most SEC programs fire their AD's if they make 1 stinker of a hire, y'know.
Again, as I have stated a million times, it was in reference to a quality win for US. But agai, you refuse to acknowledge that, and leave it out to prove you agenda.
And yes, Stoops has improved our program every year he has been year. It is a fact. The problem is, all you look at is wins to justify your stance. There is a lot of ways to improve a team that doesn't always show up in the win column immediately. Some of those improvements take time to show in the win column.
And I may be the worst poster. But what does that day about you sense you follow my posts around stalking me? Seems to me you have issues that need to be addressed.
I don't stalk you? I just point out your ignorance, jeez man. And that still makes no sense since you said THIS YEARS USC TEAM is equivalent to LAST YEARS FLORIDA TEAM, those were YOUR WORDS. that doesn't reference anything historically. What has improved that doesn't show up in the win column? Does our team compete more or something? Do they look more organized to you? Do they play with more heart than ever before? Very curious on how you come up with that conclusion since there's not a single indication that suggests we've improved since year 2 under stoops, in fact one could make the point that we've regressed since year 2! Considering we finished with the same record with a way easier schedule than the year before, it's more so a fact that we haven't improved since year 2 and have actually regressed. And your words are that we've improved every year since he's been here. I am very curious as to how you come up with that conclusion.
"Don't believe our record! Don't believe your lyin' eyes!"
Sorry, this year was not an improvement on the year before. Same record, same second half meltdown. Same bonehead coaching decisions. At best he's spinning his wheels, except our competition was definitely weaker than the year before.
That same attitude has been prevalent in a number of games this year. Go back and look at how UK, when given the opportunity, closed out a given half. I think you'll see a very conservative approach.
Stoops clearly isn't stupid but he badly misjudged some things. Upgrade his staff to SEC level, focus on special teams and come to the realization that we are not a "defense/run the ball" school and could win 8 games here.
With the buyout he has, why would he be concerned with his seat getting warm. Fire him and he never has to work another day of his life. I say keep Stupes (we can't afford to fire him) and fire Barney
Again, just like hiring a great head coach the hiring of great assistants is easier said than done.
Ask Charlie Strong. he just got turned down offering his OC job to the co-OC at conference rival TCU. oh, the co-OC who doesnt even call the plays at TCU. He turned down going to Texas to be the OC.