Why the Big 12 has an issue with Houston joining the conference | Tilman Fertitta
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Byu will be choice one. Ucf is in. Cincinnati a yes. The question is spot 4. Should be Houston but if not look for Colorado state because of Denver market or Memphis.
Also conversation about a merging of aac with Tiny8 if things could be worked out keeping Big 12 nsme and P5 status. New multi partner media contract similar in size to PAC12.
Best thing would be the AAC and MWC to merge together.
The Big12 hold as is, until each school is in a power4 conference. There is no need to elevate G5 schools to murky the waters. Better chance at survival that way.
If we don’t make it , at least we didn’t get passed up by a g5
The Big12 hold as is, until each school is in a power4 conference. There is no need to elevate G5 schools to murky the waters. Better chance at survival that way.
If we don’t make it , at least we didn’t get passed up by a g5
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Your scenario would be a disaster for Wvu. Why give up your current stature for a homeless future? Nobody wants us including key members of the acc. Your thinking would elevate the aac and mw and leave wvu with an annual big game against Fairmont State.
I like them better, plus they are an adjoining state to Texas and Oklahoma. I'd even take Air Force over UNLV
With all due respect...you haven't a clue. UNLV is the only school with any kind of basketball tradition, and none of the MWC members, other than Boise State, is regularly good at football. Almost everybody wants to travel to Las Vegas, which regularly hosts conference basketball tournaments, and is the home of a new state-of-the-art NFL football stadium, which should make UNLV much more competitive in football. Trust me when I tell you that I know a lot more than you do about the MWC. Air Force? LOLOLOLOL
I never said anything about wanting schools with how they perform on the field/court. AND trust me, I do know a lot about the MWC than you think. Part of the Fabric.
Have you ever spoken with the MWC Commissioner? Ever known any MWC school Presidents? Head coaches? Athletic Directors? Just curious.
Baylor has an issue with Houston
They are dragging the rest of you into their nonsense
It is well known who Fertitta is. He is a creation of the Free State of Galveston.
Family still in that business but it is all legal now.
No more illegal casinos and paying off law enforcement
Actually has diversified into other forms of entertainment.
Smart man. Was given something from his family and turned it into an empire.
A lot of crooks in Houston. Wouldn’t even put him in the Top 10. Oil business a lot nastier than the gambling business
They are dragging the rest of you into their nonsense
It is well known who Fertitta is. He is a creation of the Free State of Galveston.
Family still in that business but it is all legal now.
No more illegal casinos and paying off law enforcement
Actually has diversified into other forms of entertainment.
Smart man. Was given something from his family and turned it into an empire.
A lot of crooks in Houston. Wouldn’t even put him in the Top 10. Oil business a lot nastier than the gambling business
I lived in Vegas for years and one of my daughters attended New Mexico. I don't believe either unlv or new Mexico would be of any benefit to the big 12. Unlv has only had 2 winning seasons in the last 20 years. They were 8-5 in 2000 and 7-6 in 2013. In the case of New Mexico they have had 7 winning seasons in the last 20 years. From 2009-2011 New Mexico had 3 straight 1 win seasons that was under that bum Locksley's who is now at Maryland. Since it appears that wvu will be in the big 12 for the near future I hope the conference adds teams that could be somewhat competitive. Unlv and New Mexico have trouble competing in the MWC. They would be battling it out with Kansas for the wooden spoon in the big 12.
Now that the big 12 has lost Texas and Oklahoma there are no blue bloods left. Like it or not the perception of the big 12 is at an all time low. It would be best to add teams that can actually compete instead of doormats that will only reinforce the negative impression that those have of your conference. The big 12 has always been looking over its shoulder for potential raids from other conferences. Now that all the big names are gone there isn't any reason for any of the remainders to stay if there name is called in the future.
that's right, so make the conference enjoyable as you can, because there will be no money no matter who you add
Houston draws an average of 689 thousand fans on major networks. That includes all opponents.
Maybe that is a better narrative than to go after Fertitta.
This goes back to 2016 when Baylor accused UH of pretty much trying to replace them in the Big 12.
But truthfully I couldn’t say who would bring more people to the TV.
Houston has a lot more people but has pro sports.
I just think it would be smart for WVU to stay out of this.
There is just a lot of bad blood between these schools. Baylor pretty much used political influence to gain a seat in the Big 12.
Houston feels like they somehow deserved that seat.
Like I have said. I have lived in Houston the last 15 years.
Maybe my opinion is a little biased. But Tilman does a lot for the area.
Especially in and around Galveston. Finally developed the Kemah Boardwalk. Puts the money out for Mardi Gras in Galveston. A lot of it
Maybe my opinion is a little biased. But Tilman does a lot for the area.
Especially in and around Galveston. Finally developed the Kemah Boardwalk. Puts the money out for Mardi Gras in Galveston. A lot of it
There is way too much politics in sports in the state of Texas. However, Texas A&M seems to dominate the Houston area market. Last year, bowl season:
| December 24, 2020 HAW vs. HOU (ESPN) | 1.1 rating | 1.9 million viewers |
| January 2, 2021 T A&M-UNC (ESPN) | 4.3 rating | 7.58 million viewers |
Those are indeed bowl games and A&M is in a much bigger bowl. But damn.
Check this LINK It's way more relative to ours and your situation.
He lists a bunch of them over a few years including 2019, but I chose the ones that concern you the most, those in the Houston greater area and it is the average viewership per regular season games for 4 or five years.
Texas A&M (1.851M)
Baylor (1.12M)
Houston (689K)
The city of Houston is what, the 4th largest city in the country? 2.3 million people in the city and 7 million in the metro area. I have only been to Texas once, but my son in law and grandson work in the Houston area and they love it.
Those numbers of viewers seem f**ked up to me, but they are correct by the networks' own numbers. What in the hell is going on?
Houston is pushing north. There are people who would be happy if Bryan/College Station is looked upon as a Houston suburb
But Austin is pushing that way as well
A lot of places in that part of Texas that are a mix of Austin and Houston. Some people know the city of La Grange because it has been mentioned by some is one of those cities
To say A&M dominates Houston would be untrue
The main HS is North Shore and their first player in recent history from that high school transferred to TCU
It is a LSU/Texas HS
A&M has a good presence in some of the suburbs pushing North towards Brazos County.
Houston is a mix between three schools mainly Texas/A&M/LSU
You see people from Mississippi and Alabama as well.
Different city. Like Charleston SC. A city where the rich still present their daughters to “society”.
But on the other hand it is a city where the future matters. Where technology, healthcare, oil, NASA dominate.
People here say it is different.
Things here are different
University of Houston plays a role in this.
In their mind they are Miami but one that has been undermined by the bigger players.
Within the city limits is more NFL talent than any city in the US
The hatred of the University of Texas comes from the fact that their people controlled the NCAA in the late 1980’s
Why you saw so many SWC schools on probation
The three main schools were SMU, A&M and Houston
Interesting because some of the things they say make sense
Did they really get undermined. More than that they haven’t just been elite in football but basketball but to a lesser extent the minor sports of golf and track.
I believe they still have as many golf NC as anyone
Here is what they talk about in football
Crazy thing is their basketball program was attacked as well
From the article
The probation was the seventh for a Southwest Conference school in football and basketball since 1985.
Why you saw so many SWC schools on probation
The three main schools were SMU, A&M and Houston
Interesting because some of the things they say make sense
Did they really get undermined. More than that they haven’t just been elite in football but basketball but to a lesser extent the minor sports of golf and track.
I believe they still have as many golf NC as anyone
Here is what they talk about in football
Crazy thing is their basketball program was attacked as well
From the article
The probation was the seventh for a Southwest Conference school in football and basketball since 1985.
I would prefer top 2 from AAC then Top 2 from MWC. Crushing both back down to CUSA level. But I would tell Boise if they did not remove that horrible blue turf then they are out.
You've made a lot of stupid posts on this board, but the one above may be the dumbest ever. Because I've spoken in the past with the MWC Commissioner, presidents, coaches, and athletic directors, I wouldn't be on a message board? What the he!! sense does that make?
I see your point, do you agree we can discover the 'actual' value of Houston in viewership and competitiveness on Saturday, Sept, 4? For those who don't know, they open at home against Texas Tech on ESPN. The stadium should be rocking!
Texas A&M ( 1.85 million avg viewers) opens at home against Kent State on ESPNU
Baylor (1.12 million avg viewers ) opens at Texas State on ESPN+
The games are being played at 6::00 pm (UH) 7:00 pm (Baylor) 8:00 pm (A&M)
To me, that puts UH center stage in the spotlight. Do you agree the viewership that night reflects the topside of what they bring to table in viewership?