Why the big deal with this pope?

[bornaneer]

Why are we seeing the media making such a spectacle of this guy?. One would think that he would be pilloried by the media considering his views on abortion,same sex marriage,gays and many other issues. Its funny how one leader of a religion is invited to the White House, invited to speak to the UN and is given star status treatment by our media while leaders of other religions who have those same views are shunned and ridiculed by the White House and the media.

 

[Keyser76]

Well Protestants don't have one leader , Nor does Judaism or Islam, so I'm not sure there is an equivalent to him for the other big three.

 

[bornaneer]

Well Protestants don't have one leader , Nor does Judaism or Islam, so I'm not sure there is an equivalent to him for the other big three.

Why do you think he has been given a pass on his stance on the issues I mentioned? Do you think Jerry Falwell is worthy of a White House invite? And for the record, I am NO fan of Jerry Falwell or others of his ilk. I also am no fan of the pope even though I went to a Catholic school. I believe that most organized religions are about control and power. I also believe in total religious freedom for all. My point is that the positions of the White House and media are more connected to politics and their social agenda.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Why do you think he has been given a pass on his stance on the issues I mentioned? Do you think Jerry Falwell is worthy of a White House invite? And for the record, I am NO fan of Jerry Falwell or others of his ilk. I also am no fan of the pope even though I went to a Catholic school. I believe that most organized religions are about control and power. I also believe in total religious freedom for all. My point is that the positions of the White House and media are more connected to politics and their social agenda.

Jerry Falwell is dead. Kind of tough to get a WH invitation.

 

[bornaneer]

Jerry Falwell is dead. Kind of tough to get a WH invitation.

Touche....shows you how much I cared about Jerry Falwell. Do you think if he was still alive he would get an invite by this White House?

 

[Keyser76]

You aren't comparing Jerry Falwell to the pope are you? And by the way, Obama didn't invite the Pope, pretty sure it was the GOP house.

 

[bornaneer]

You aren't comparing Jerry Falwell to the pope are you? And by the way, Obama didn't invite the Pope, pretty sure it was the GOP house.

I was comparing their views on some social issues since I think they were pretty much the same. And to many, not me, Falwell was as much of a leader as the pope is,again not me, except on a smaller scale. Are you telling us that the GOP house invites people to the White House? I was not aware of that.

 

[WVPATX]

Why are we seeing the media making such a spectacle of this guy?. One would think that he would be pilloried by the media considering his views on abortion,same sex marriage,gays and many other issues. Its funny how one leader of a religion is invited to the White House, invited to speak to the UN and is given star status treatment by our media while leaders of other religions who have those same views are shunned and ridiculed by the White House and the media.

The media adores the Pope because he is a social justice warrior. He is a socialist or at least anti-capitalist. He believes in global warming and uses this belief to appeal for income redistribution particularly from developed countries to 3rd world countries. His position on social issues isn't as important as his economic beliefs.

 

[moe]

Why are we seeing the media making such a spectacle of this guy?. One would think that he would be pilloried by the media considering his views on abortion,same sex marriage,gays and many other issues. Its funny how one leader of a religion is invited to the White House, invited to speak to the UN and is given star status treatment by our media while leaders of other religions who have those same views are shunned and ridiculed by the White House and the media.

The Pope is a pretty big deal in case you hadn't noticed, always has been.

 

[bornaneer]

The Pope is a pretty big deal in case you hadn't noticed, always has been.

Maybe to you and your friends but not to me. Are you Catholic?

 

[moe]

Maybe to you and your friends but not to me. Are you Catholic?

Nope but you asked why the media pays attention to him and I told you why.

 

[bornaneer]

The media adores the Pope because he is a social justice warrior. He is a socialist or at least anti-capitalist. He believes in global warming and uses this belief to appeal for income redistribution particularly from developed countries to 3rd world countries. His position on social issues isn't as important as his economic beliefs.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Glad to see there is another person on this board who is smart enough to see what the deal is. I dropped so many hints and some still keep their heads in the sand.

 

[bornaneer]

Nope but you asked why the media pays attention to him and I told you why.

I think we both can draw a distinction between "pays attention" and reporting on his every move. You actually think most in the U.S. care that he is meeting with a Castro brother or performing mass in Revolution Square? Headline news my ***.

 

[moe]

I think we both can draw a distinction between "pays attention" and reporting on his every move. You actually think most in the U.S. care that he is meeting with a Castro brother or performing mass in Revolution Square? Headline news my ***.

You, WVPATX and some others seem amazed at the 24/7 news cycle which means that anything and everything may be considered news. It's been going on for some time. The Pope coming to the U.S. is big news in the U.S. and actually most things that the Pope does that have nothing to do with the U.S. tend to make the news so I don't see what the big deal is because that's how it's always been. You're tired of reading about the Pope and WVPATX wishes that every cop killing would dominate the headlines. If you're fascinated/irritated with the media then I guess you'll always have something to talk or complain about. I only pay attention to what interests me in the news and ignore the rest. Regarding your question, there actually are U.S. citizens that are interested in non-U.S citizens and what goes on outside of the U.S. Also Cuba is kind of a special deal as many see the end of the Castro regime coming soon and due to its proximity to the U.S. and all of the former Cuban nationals here, many are interested in Cuba news as well.

 

[moe]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Glad to see there is another person on this board who is smart enough to see what the deal is. I dropped so many hints and some still keep their heads in the sand.

lol I'm glad that you found your kindred spirit. You all act like news outlets have never paid attention to the Pope but keep working your theories.

 

[bornaneer]

I only pay attention to what interests me in the news and ignore the rest.

You mean when you perk up and pay attention when a Palin is the subject in the media.

 

[WVPATX]

You, WVPATX and some others seem amazed at the 24/7 news cycle which means that anything and everything may be considered news. It's been going on for some time. The Pope coming to the U.S. is big news in the U.S. and actually most things that the Pope does that have nothing to do with the U.S. tend to make the news so I don't see what the big deal is because that's how it's always been. You're tired of reading about the Pope and WVPATX wishes that every cop killing would dominate the headlines. If you're fascinated/irritated with the media then I guess you'll always have something to talk or complain about. I only pay attention to what interests me in the news and ignore the rest. Regarding your question, there actually are U.S. citizens that are interested in non-U.S citizens and what goes on outside of the U.S.

I really enjoy pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of those on the left and I include the media as part of the left. They report endlessly about the boy in Irving, yet completely ignore the arrests and suspensions of white kids. They hated the prior pope but write glowingly of this one because he hates capitalism and believes in global warming. They applaud Black Lives Matter but completely ignore the fact that more whites are killed by cops than blacks even though blacks commit approximately 40% of all aggravated felonies. They ignore the fact that over 9,000 blacks are killed by other blacks. And when a cop is killed, they almost completely ignore it, especially if the killer is black. Even more, when an African American commits a crime against a white person, they are never described as black. But when a white person commits a crime against an African American they are almost always labeled white. I could go on and on.

 

[Keyser76]

The media adores the Pope because he is a social justice warrior. He is a socialist or at least anti-capitalist. He believes in global warming and uses this belief to appeal for income redistribution particularly from developed countries to 3rd world countries. His position on social issues isn't as important as his economic beliefs.

The media and apparently 86% of the American Catholic public and 70 some % of American non Catholics according to the polls I've seen. He is hardly a liberal. Unless climate change is actually a conservative vs. liberal rather than a scientific idea, and he is a scientist too, has a Chemists degree I think.

 

[moe]

You mean when you perk up and pay attention when a Palin is the subject in the media.

I comment on whatever I like, what business is that of yours?

 

[moe]

I really enjoy pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of those on the left and I include the media as part of the left. They report endlessly about the boy in Irving, yet completely ignore the arrests and suspensions of white kids. They hated the prior pope but write glowingly of this one because he hates capitalism and believes in global warming. They applaud Black Lives Matter but completely ignore the fact that more whites are killed by cops than blacks even though blacks commit approximately 40% of all aggravated felonies. They ignore the fact that over 9,000 blacks are killed by other blacks. And when a cop is killed, they almost completely ignore it, especially if the killer is black. Even more, when an African American commits a crime against a white person, they are never described as black. But when a white person commits a crime against an African American they are almost always labeled white. I could go on and on.

You live in your own little world of conspiracies and that's cool.

 

[bornaneer]

The media and apparently 86% of the American Catholic public and 70 some % of American non Catholics according to the polls I've seen. He is hardly a liberal. Unless climate change is actually a conservative vs. liberal rather than a scientific idea, and he is a scientist too, has a Chemists degree I think.

What is your first sentence about?

 

[WVPATX]

The media and apparently 86% of the American Catholic public and 70 some % of American non Catholics according to the polls I've seen. He is hardly a liberal. Unless climate change is actually a conservative vs. liberal rather than a scientific idea, and he is a scientist too, has a Chemists degree I think.

The Pope isn't a liberal? Are you insane? He is anti-capitalist and has proven that over and over again. He's extremely liberal.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

I believe that most organized religions are about control and power. I also believe in total religious freedom for all.

Bingo

 

[WVPATX]

You live in your own little world of conspiracies and that's cool.

Can't refute what I posted. No conspiracy. It has been demonstrated and factually proven that the media is overwhelmingly liberal.

 

[bornaneer]

You live in your own little world of conspiracies and that's cool.

So do you, just like all of us do.

 

[moe]

Can't refute what I posted. No conspiracy. It has been demonstrated and factually proven that the media is overwhelmingly liberal.

You post your opinions and that's great. I have no reason to talk you out of them. It's just when you try to pass them off as facts that you may get challenged on them. If I challenged every nutty "fact" that you post, I'd never get anything else done.

 

[moe]

So do you, just like all of us do.

Not really. I would never have started this thread or about any that you or WVPATX start. I'll leave the board jester stuff to you all. I may live in my own little world but it doesn't have any of the conspiracy theories that you two subscribe to. Good luck with all of that.

 

[bornaneer]

You post your opinions and that's great. I have no reason to talk you out of them. It's just when you try to pass them off as facts that you may get challenged on them. If I challenged every nutty "fact" that you post, I'd never get anything else done.

What else do you have to get done? Are you on this board at work?

 

[moe]

What else do you have to get done? Are you on this board at work?

I plead the 5th.

 

[WVPATX]

You post your opinions and that's great. I have no reason to talk you out of them. It's just when you try to pass them off as facts that you may get challenged on them. If I challenged every nutty "fact" that you post, I'd never get anything else done.

It is a fact that the main stream media is overwhelmingly liberal. Survey after survey prove the point based on the media's own admission of how they vote. A study by a UCLA professor only reinforces the point.

Btw, the Public Editor of the NY Times admits they are left leaning.

 

[bornaneer]

Not really. I would never have started this thread or about any that you or WVPATX start. I'll leave the board jester stuff to you all. I may live in my own little world but it doesn't have any of the conspiracy theories that you two subscribe to. Good luck with all of that.

What conspiracy theories? Name one.

 

[mule_eer]

Can you name the last time a pope visited the US and did not meet with the president? I'll give you a hint, with the exception of a layover during travel, I don't think you'll find one, and that one was in the 80's. You might as well ask why the president is meeting with the leader of another country based on differences in political views on some subjects.

 

[op2]

For good or bad, the Pope coming to the US is always a huge deal. And the Pope's politics don't usually line up straight left or right anyway. JP-2 was a big time anti-communist. Their all pro-poor people although the current guy talks about it more in left terms. They're all anti-gay marriage and anti-abortion, which is right. They're all anti-death penalty, which is left.

The reason Protestant leaders don't get as much publicity is because they splintered into a million different sects. But even at that Obama invited Rick Warren to speak at his inauguration, or whatever it was.

 

[WVPATX]

For good or bad, the Pope coming to the US is always a huge deal. And the Pope's politics don't usually line up straight left or right anyway. JP-2 was a big time anti-communist. Their all pro-poor people although the current guy talks about it more in left terms. They're all anti-gay marriage and anti-abortion, which is right. They're all anti-death penalty, which is left.

The reason Protestant leaders don't get as much publicity is because they splintered into a million different sects. But even at that Obama invited Rick Warren to speak at his inauguration, or whatever it was.

JP II was vilified in the US media. This Pope is sanctified. Why the different treatment? This Pope is very far left in economic terms.

 

[op2]

JP II was vilified in the US media. This Pope is sanctified. Why the different treatment? This Pope is very far left in economic terms.

JP-2 was villified in the US media? I don't recall that. I do recall that it was a huge deal every time he visited the US.

ETA: And I don't even know that the current Pope is far left economically anyway. I know he talks about helping the poor a lot but that is basic Catholic-talk, and for that matter basic Jesus-talk. That doesn't necessarily mean he's a Marxist or something.

 

[WVPATX]

JP-2 was villified in the US media? I don't recall that. I do recall that it was a huge deal every time he visited the US.

ETA: And I don't even know that the current Pope is far left economically anyway. I know he talks about helping the poor a lot but that is basic Catholic-talk, and for that matter basic Jesus-talk. That doesn't necessarily mean he's a Marxist or something.

Then you're not reading very much. He is definitely anti-capitalist. Google some of his statements. I believe he is a Marxist having grown up in Argentina. This Pope is receiving far more favorable press coverage than JP II. They both adhere to Catholic doctrine on social issues like abortion (neither had the power to change that), but they differ dramatically on economic issues. JP II was highly anti-communist.

Just one of many articles, this one from The Atlantic:

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...rom-anti-communism-to-anti-capitalism/281874/

 

[mule_eer]

Then you're not reading very much. He is definitely anti-capitalist. Google some of his statements. I believe he is a Marxist having grown up in Argentina. This Pope is receiving far more favorable press coverage than JP II. They both adhere to Catholic doctrine on social issues like abortion (neither had the power to change that), but they differ dramatically on economic issues. JP II was highly anti-communist.

Just one of many articles, this one from The Atlantic:

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...rom-anti-communism-to-anti-capitalism/281874/

Would you say that Republicans are anti-capitalism? A lot of what was quoted of the Pope in that article speaks to the wealth gap and helping the poor. And the problem the Vatican had with communism was issues with the Soviet bloc, and that was because the Soviet bloc actively looked to stifle religious organzations and activities. That had noting to do with the economic policies, but the policies that were intended to control the general population - state above all.

 

[WVPATX]

Would you say that Republicans are anti-capitalism? A lot of what was quoted of the Pope in that article speaks to the wealth gap and helping the poor. And the problem the Vatican had with communism was issues with the Soviet bloc, and that was because the Soviet bloc actively looked to stifle religious organzations and activities. That had noting to do with the economic policies, but the policies that were intended to control the general population - state above all.

You're a smart guy, Google the Popes economic comments. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty in this world than any other economic system. This pope is clearly an anti-capitalist. The US and Europe have done a particularly good Job of lifting people out of poverty yet the pope blast those very economic systems.

 

[Airport]

Then you're not reading very much. He is definitely anti-capitalist. Google some of his statements. I believe he is a Marxist having grown up in Argentina. This Pope is receiving far more favorable press coverage than JP II. They both adhere to Catholic doctrine on social issues like abortion (neither had the power to change that), but they differ dramatically on economic issues. JP II was highly anti-communist.

Just one of many articles, this one from The Atlantic:

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...rom-anti-communism-to-anti-capitalism/281874/

He probably is directly descended from Nazi's that the Catholic Church helped escape from Germany after WW2. Just a joke :smiley:

 

[Honkytonk Hero]

The Pope isn't a liberal? Are you insane? He is anti-capitalist and has proven that over and over again. He's extremely liberal.

The Pope's views are not entirely liberal. He is against Gay marriage, contraception, sex outside of marriage, women in the priesthood etc,. I would agree that he has an anti-capitalist stance, in that he believes in wealth redistribution.