Will it make a difference in who is chosen as the oc?call the plays
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Are you saying or inferring that stoops did not intercede in the offensive play Levi?????
I don't have a clue if he interceded or not. But if he did, it is his team.
I'm saying I don't know and neither do you.
He seems to have at times but when instances had arrived we had already laid several eggs and looked highly inconsistent. There was not a game all year long where we played good offensively for 40 minutes. I was at the EKU game and our offense was embarrassing no matter what play was called.
Our offense regressed this past year and the only significant change was OC! Do you not remember him throwing the wildcat package on the junk pile when he got here or telling Towles not to run the ball? He didn't scale it back he got rid of the QB running plays altogether.
Now you may not have experienced this but in my life when the boss told me what he wanted done, I did just that or got fired.
He seems to have at times but when instances had arrived we had already laid several eggs and looked highly inconsistent. There was not a game all year long where we played good offensively for 40 minutes. I was at the EKU game and our offense was embarrassing no matter what play was called.
Our offense regressed this past year and the only significant change was OC! Do you not remember him throwing the wildcat package on the junk pile when he got here or telling Towles not to run the ball? He didn't scale it back he got rid of the QB running plays altogether.
Now you may not have experienced this but in my life when the boss told me what he wanted done, I did just that or got fired.
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I'm not sure if Stoops did interfere (and nobody else here knows), but what I do know is I would be more comfortable with Gran.
He has experience managing games, he's worked in superior positions to Stoops previously, while they were at Florida State together, he's a long-time veteran coach. He seems like the kind of personality that Stoops would defer to during games because of those things, and if Stoops does defer to him, we should be successful. If Eddie Gran is hired here, I think Stoops recognizes that.
He has experience managing games, he's worked in superior positions to Stoops previously, while they were at Florida State together, he's a long-time veteran coach. He seems like the kind of personality that Stoops would defer to during games because of those things, and if Stoops does defer to him, we should be successful. If Eddie Gran is hired here, I think Stoops recognizes that.
I Think an older experienced OC would know better how to relate with Stoops and maybe stop some of the crazy things from happening some of the problems could be confusion of Coaches trying to please each other. Remember for the SEC we have had a very inexperienced Coaching staff.
I think Stoops would have the utmost confidence in a coach like Gran so I'm sure he would run the show on offense, and I don't think conflict would be an issue. However even the Nick Sabans of the world occasionally intercede and override a play call or insert a play. That's part of the job of the head coach.
I feel very confident that Stoops wants to win games.
I have been wondering lately about this sort of issue. I was wondering that if Stoops is micromanaging the OC if maybe this was why Gran wasn't offered the position last year. Maybe he talked to MS last year and wanted autonomy but was never told that he would have that here. A year and one OC later maybe Stoops(assuming that these arguments are valid) realizes his butt is on the line and he has offered that autonomy to a new OC. Just a theory based on nothing more than conjecture.
No. He told Dawson that he would not interfere with Dawson's playcalling, and it would be sink or swim for him. There's nothing that supports the claim that Stoops did interfere with offensive playcalling, and Dawson sunk.
So it's purely a coincidence that we brought in 2 different OC's who run an "Air Raid" offense, and both chose to call draw plays up the middle every down while at UK?
If the rumors that Stoops started helping call plays against Vandy were true, then good. We were lining up in shotgun from the one yard line...we needed to go with a big package and pound it in.
Also, with the same offensive players returning with a year of added experience we were averaging 5-6 points less per game. We never adjusted plays to help protection until it was too late. I hope he was monitoring Dawson...
Also, with the same offensive players returning with a year of added experience we were averaging 5-6 points less per game. We never adjusted plays to help protection until it was too late. I hope he was monitoring Dawson...
We haven't had the personnel to do anything else. When Brown was hired we didn't have a QB or WRs. All we had were a couple decent RBs and a mobile QB.....so we ran it. The following yr, Brown had a couple young WRs and a young QB....so he threw it more than he yr before but still couldn't do it enough to base the offense off of it. Then Dawson tried to throw it even more but it was drop and turnover city.....so they went back to running it.
It is very likely that the new OC will be a spread offense guy. The personnel is starting to mature in some respects. So, in all likelihood we will start to see more of the "desired spread" offense in the next yr or two.
Well there was a report that said that Stoops and Dawson had trust issues, Dawson did some things behind the scenes to make Stoops not trust him and so Stoops had to step in with the offense. Part of that was difference in philosophy other part wasn't. That's the reason why Dawson is gone after 1 year. I support a coach who lets an assistant go if they can't fully trust them.
Also if you guys remember it was the Florida game where the "no QB run" came to a head with Stoops. There was some stuff written about this as well. Stoops thought that we should have run the QB more to keep the defense off balance, and we never did it. Matt Jones even told a story how in practice Shannon Dawson would yell at Patrick Towles for running, even when he got an 18 yard gain. But after that Florida game, Towles started to run more. Also remember Dawson's protest against the wildcat, well later on in the season UK ran that wildcat too. Those are signs of Stoops impeding into what the offense was doing. But considering the way this team is built right now, those things needed to happen. This team isn't built like an Air Raid team.
Also if you guys remember it was the Florida game where the "no QB run" came to a head with Stoops. There was some stuff written about this as well. Stoops thought that we should have run the QB more to keep the defense off balance, and we never did it. Matt Jones even told a story how in practice Shannon Dawson would yell at Patrick Towles for running, even when he got an 18 yard gain. But after that Florida game, Towles started to run more. Also remember Dawson's protest against the wildcat, well later on in the season UK ran that wildcat too. Those are signs of Stoops impeding into what the offense was doing. But considering the way this team is built right now, those things needed to happen. This team isn't built like an Air Raid team.
Think you are on to something. Stoops would probably be more willing to listen to experience and familiarity with Gran then he did with Dawson if that was a problem.
I think it was obvious that Stoops interferes in the play calling. There was a play called in the Vandy game and Stoops started sprinting down the sideline trying to get in a timeout to stop it. He didn't get the timeout in and Barker ended up throwing a touchdown pass on the play, but it was obvious that he didn't want that pass play called there. I think having two OC's leave in two years is a clear sign that this is not the best place to run an offense. I know that Brown got a HC job, but many SEC coordinators have waited out for better offers than what Neal Brown took. Neither on of these coaches ran offenses similar to what they did at their previous stops.
I hope Stoops has learned from his mistakes and let's the next guy have freedom in the offense.