Wilson say: " It's not our scheme, it's execution."

[CadaverDawg]

Friend of mine that subscribes to Scout, says there is an interview for subscribers only on the Scout site with Chris Wilson. He said Wilson is quoted saying the problems in the last 3 games were with execution, not scheme. I don't know if this is exactly what was said, or if anybody has the ability to get their eyes on it, but I'd like to see it.

What say ye about Wilson thinking it's execution, not scheme?

I say that is scary to hear after the **** we've seen defensively the last few weeks. There's no way a talented defensive group can poorly execute any "good" scheme to the tune of 38 points in 3 straight games. I ain't buying it, and if he really feels this way then it's time for him to go. Because if he doesn't think the scheme is bad, we will continue to see it. Arkansas may torch our D this weekend.

 

[thunderclap]

Thunderclap say: 3-man rush is un-executable scheme.

 

[Irondawg]

Well we keep hearing that most of the TD passes are on blown coverages which is inexcusable given our experience in the secondary. So maybe there is some execution there, but the scheme also has problems.

So we either have a bad scheme (coaching) or we fail to execute on most of the opponents possession (terrible players or coaches or both).

I would expect Wilson to be under a lot of scrutiny the next 2 weeks by the people in charge.

 

[Coach34]

What's he supposed to say??

"Yeah Gene, it's the scheme. My scheme and beliefs on defense are wrong. I'm resigning at the end of the season to pursue a career in painting"

 

[CadaverDawg]

What's he supposed to say??

"Yeah Gene, it's the scheme. My scheme and beliefs on defense are wrong. I'm resigning at the end of the season to pursue a career in painting"

I would rather see him dance around it than to blame it on the players not executing. Granted, there has been some blunders, but our scheme sucks, so don't sit there and say "it's not the scheme".

ETA: if our scheme is so difficult that a talented group like Banks, Slay, Whitley, Lawrence, Skinner, Boyd, etc, can't execute it better than we have the last few weeks, something is wrong.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Well

our safeties having been messing up a great deal to go with the linebackers missing alot of tackles, so he isn't exactly wrong on the execution part. I mean what did you expect him to say, honestly?

 

[CadaverDawg]

our safeties having been messing up a great deal to go with the linebackers missing alot of tackles, so he isn't exactly wrong on the execution part. I mean what did you expect him to say, honestly?

Like I said, I know there has been execution issues, but there is obvious scheme issues as well. So why single out the execution and say "It's not the scheme"? I understand he is going to give coach speak to an extent, I just don't like to hear the words quoted above, bc it makes you wonder if he really doesn't see any issues with the scheme.

 

[Coach34]

Like I said, I know there has been execution issues, but there is obvious scheme issues as well. So why single out the execution and say "It's not the scheme"? I understand he is going to give coach speak to an extent, I just don't like to hear the words quoted above, bc it makes you wonder if he really doesn't see any issues with the scheme.

Wilson say "it's lack of execution"

Cadever say " I know there has been execution issues"

what's the problem?

 

[Sutterkane]

I don't think Wilson should go by any means (at least not at this point for sure) but I will say that good coaches are able to scheme based off of their players strengths and weaknesses, not try to plug in players into a scheme that they won't be successful with and blame it on them. It's honestly the biggest different between Croom and Mullen. Croom refused to change his schemes even though he had Relf as an option QB trying to plug him into a West Coast scheme. Meanwhile, Mullen has changed his scheme this year so that it is more pass-oriented to suit Russell.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Wilson say "it's lack of execution"

Cadever say " I know there has been execution issues"

what's the problem?

So, you think "it's the execution" and that there is no issues with "scheme"? I said its a mixture, so I don't understand pinning it all on execution. That's all. That's why I asked what people thought. You're overlooking the point, but it's no big deal. I have to realize who I'm dealing with.

 

[MSDawg34]

It's been over an hour since he started a thread.. Don't blame him you know the equation

In Cadavers head + keyboard = NEW TOPIC

 

[CadaverDawg]

It's been over an hour since he started a thread.. Don't blame him you know the equation

In Cadavers head + keyboard = NEW TOPIC

Your obsession with me is flattering, Radio. What would you do all day if you didn't have me or Rambis to stalk?

 

[cheewgumm]

A&M was execution?

Damn that was a lot of non-excuting.

 

[121Josey]

I would rather see him dance around it than to blame it on the players not executing. Granted, there has been some blunders, but our scheme sucks, so don't sit there and say "it's not the scheme".

ETA: if our scheme is so difficult that a talented group like Banks, Slay, Whitley, Lawrence, Skinner, Boyd, etc, can't execute it better than we have the last few weeks, something is wrong.

^^^^This ^^^^

When the defense stays on the field most of the game, how can you expect there not to be execution issues? Maybe if the other team runs less plays, then there are less execution issues.

Maybe Wilson should say, "Yeah I see that we're substandard, but I'm totally clueless on how to improve my system."

 

[PBRME]

" It's not our scheme, it's execution." Sylvester Croom circa 2004 - 2008

 

[Railin Jemmye]

wind the clocks back 6 years

deja vu

 

[Where'sWaldo]

I was furious at Wilson during the LSU game while watching from the stands but after re watching the game I realized it wasn't as bad as I thought. Whitley has played Zach Smith esque football all year and is absolutely killing us. He takes poor angles and consistently misses tackles. The TD over the middle was totally his fault and the long pass that led to the TD before the half was a result of him not rotating over. If you take away those plays alone we may win the game. I really liked some of the changes we made in personnel. Our heavy package consisted of Boyd, James, Cherrington, and Eulls with Arrington and Whitley at safety. I saw a coaching staff not afraid to make changes and I like that. I believe the A&M game was a bad combination of poor scheming, poor execution, and an athletic mismatch.

 

[State82]

If Arky drops 30+ on our ***, there will be talk of an execution.

At least around here there will be talk of such.

 

[codeDawg]

It's execution at safety and scheme up front. I'm afraid Wilson may be compensating for our issues at safety with overly conservative DL and LB schemes.

In trying to not give up the home run, he has given up triples all day long. At some point you have to let the kids play.

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

It's time to bench Whitley, he is hurting us. Maybe sitting on the pine will wake him up, maybe not. But it's time to try something else

 

[Todd4State]

It's time to bench Whitley, he is hurting us. Maybe sitting on the pine will wake him up, maybe not. But it's time to try something else

If it were me, I would move him to OLB and let Dee play safety. If we're going with a 3-4, we may be able to make it work because I see no reason why we should sit Cam, McKinney, or Deontae.

 

[FISHDAWG]

well if it is execution why does he continue to play the same guys **

 

[boatsandhoes]

nope I think aTm was a new scheme called the fetal position in tough urban areas it is aka "assume the position"

 

[FISHDAWG]

it's time someone started new threads ... most days there are only a handful of long threaded topics that become boring very quickly ... you know, crap like farm threads and the same old Mullen threads and so on ... and COACH we are still waiting your answer to Cadaver ... do you think it's all execution ???

 

[lazlow]

Agreed....execute wilson

#executionstartswithcoaching

 

[fishwater99]

Well we could execute if we had 3 NFL D Lineman who could get pressure on on the QB..
But we don't, so he needs to change the scheme. If we don't get pressure on the Arky QB, we will lose Saturday.

Wilson is a damn idiot and needs to go...

 

[4suredog]

I don't think we will ever be able to line up and play straight up against the elite teams. LSU, Bama, Florida, UGA....We can against 8+ teams a year but not all 12. Not just yet anyway. In other words, we cannot control the line of scrimmage against those guys. If you look back at succesful defenses here, at OM, Kentucky, Vandy, you'll see they all were kind of gimmicky....Weird and exotic blitz packages and very unorthodox formations. Maybe in 2-3 years we will have the d-line to try more of a straight up approach but if we don't make some adjustments we'll continue to look ok against lesser teams and get blown off the ball against the more elite teams. I don't understand why this confuses Wilson....Who looks at our guys, then looks at Bama or LSU's o-line and says yes, we can control them??? Adjust man, adjust!

 

[fishwater99]

I don't think we will ever be able to line up and play straight up against the elite teams. LSU, Bama, Florida, UGA....We can against 8+ teams a year but not all 12. Not just yet anyway. In other words, we cannot control the line of scrimmage against those guys. If you look back at succesful defenses here, at OM, Kentucky, Vandy, you'll see they all were kind of gimmicky....Weird and exotic blitz packages and very unorthodox formations. Maybe in 2-3 years we will have the d-line to try more of a straight up approach but if we don't make some adjustments we'll continue to look ok against lesser teams and get blown off the ball against the more elite teams. I don't understand why this confuses Wilson....Who looks at our guys, then looks at Bama or LSU's o-line and says yes, we can control them Adjust man, adjust!

Wilson is and idiot, it's Croom all over again, but on the defense this time.......

 

[Seinfeld]

Well we could execute if we had 3 NFL D Lineman who could get pressure on on the QB..
But we don't, so he needs to change the scheme. If we don't get pressure on the Arky QB, we will lose Saturday.

Wilson is a damn idiot and needs to go...

I'm not so sure that we can even say that yet. Sure, they've all pretty much blown this year, but I refuse to believe that an 8-deep rotation that consists of two 5-stars, two 4-stars, and the rest 3-star recruits were all just grossly overrated. Maybe too much is put into stars and rankings, but it's ridiculous that this group can't consistently get some sort of pressure pressure or containment on anyone.

Either the scheme is bad or someone is severely failing as a coach if that entire group of guys can't execute. Either way, it's on Wilson.

 

[Coach 57]

We're not going to one set or scheme. He wants multiple defensive fronts based on who we play and what we'd like to take away. Every scheme has flaws! If there was a perfect scheme then everybody would run the same thing. In order to be successful in slowing or stopping an offensive attack in today's football you have GOT to be multiple. Be advised, you've been warned here first by me Saturday we will concede the run to take away the pass. Tyler Wilson'll get baited into throwing deep & in this game hopefully we'll actually pull down some INTS.

 

[LandArchDawg]

He also talks about communication issues in the secondary...

but if we played more man on opposing receivers I would think a lot of the communication issues would be fixed by default.

 

[maroonmania]

but if we played more man on opposing receivers I would think a lot of the communication issues would be fixed by default.

Yea, and if we have communication issues now with 3 seniors starting in the secondary just wait until next year. I've got a bad feeling the Oklahoma State game is going to be brutal.

 

[RougeDawg]

Wait, let me get this straight! Execution is why Jarvis Landry was left....

Uncovered in the slot for 2+ quarters, repeatedly catching the quick slant over the middle, before we put banks on him, thus subsequently shutting down their offense? He was a one man wrecking crew during their 20 pt first half. Terrible execution if you asked me, but only terrible execution by the 17ing coaching staff.

Get the 17 out of here with execution being the main issue. The coaches have put our defense in position to fail more than succeed the last 2 games. Against Alabama we looked like lost puppies.

Unless Dan has jumped on Wilson and given an ultimatum, we will get torched by Tyler Wilson and gang. I've seen no other reason to think otherwise the last 3 weeks.

 

[Coach 57]

Like Tyler Bray lit us up too? Saturday the scheme will be why we win. We will concede to running game and take away the pass. We will be absolutely "torched" if we DON'T stay in a base cover 2 or 3 the entire game. Tyler Wilson is the same kind of QB as Tyler Bray. Same skill set: big arm, decent accuracy, always looking downfield. QBs like that hate working checkdowns and staying underneath the coverage. He'll force balls into coverage exactly like Bray. Our guys will be in place to make plays on those passes. So people don't get your panties in a bind when they are gashing us in the running game throughout the game. It's what the scheme'll call for. If we tackle in space we should win by 2 or more scores. Russell will shred their secondary and I look for him to have a career day. But we can't get complacent in our offensive play calling. It will be an emotionally draining game for our players. We will get our 8th win. And I saw where somebody say that a 3 down line set is inexcusable or something. I ask why do you think that way? Football is a game about matchups and finding the best matchup that allows you success. I hate to tell you but the 3-4 creates more possibilities for matchups that should favor the defense (given the correct personnel).

 

[Drebin]

Like Tyler Bray lit us up too? Saturday the scheme will be why we win. We will concede to running game and take away the pass. We will be absolutely "torched" if we DON'T stay in a base cover 2 or 3 the entire game. Tyler Wilson is the same kind of QB as Tyler Bray. Same skill set: big arm, decent accuracy, always looking downfield. QBs like that hate working checkdowns and staying underneath the coverage. He'll force balls into coverage exactly like Bray. Our guys will be in place to make plays on those passes. So people don't get your panties in a bind when they are gashing us in the running game throughout the game. It's what the scheme'll call for. If we tackle in space we should win by 2 or more scores. Russell will shred their secondary and I look for him to have a career day. But we can't get complacent in our offensive play calling. It will be an emotionally draining game for our players. We will get our 8th win. And I saw where somebody say that a 3 down line set is inexcusable or something. I ask why do you think that way? Football is a game about matchups and finding the best matchup that allows you success. I hate to tell you but the 3-4 creates more possibilities for matchups that should favor the defense (given the correct personnel).

I like your optimism for the most part, but you are wrong about the 3-4 scheme. It only gives you a matchup advantage if you bring pressure off the edge out of it. We rush three and drop 8 in zone most of the time. This gives the advantage to the offense. The only way that would work for us is if we had three Fletcher Coxes who were unblockable and could get pressure on the QB by themselves. Any QB, I don't care who he is, will complete passes against our three down linemen-schemed defense because he will have all day to pick out a hole in the zone. We better abandon it and bring some heat this weekend or Tyler Wilson will have another (yes, another) career day against MSU.

 

[Coach 57]

So you're saying you can pass all day on a 3-4 defensive scheme then why are the Steelers always considered one of if not tops in the league? Why is Bama's the most dominant in CFB? They both run 3-4s! And when we went to a 3-4 vs. aTm the scheme WAS in fact sound IF we'd had the right personnel. As a matter of fact the adjustments that LSU made Vs. aTm was they started using a 3-3-5 walking down Mingo the exact way we tried to use Deonte vs aTm. I'm not arguing for the 3-4 I just know that EVERY scheme in football has flaws. When I faced guys like Freddie Millons or Jarius Jackson from Tupelo we went from a 4-4 stack defense to a 3-4 or in 3rd & 7+ we went to a 3-3-5. They're the same type of players and you absolutely can NOT allow them to break containment. We "slow played" our Will backer and strong side DE and brought pressure in their faces. LSU & UF did it to Manziel and Bama did too they just did it a little too late. Lol.

 

[CadaverDawg]

So you're saying you can pass all day on a 3-4 defensive scheme then why are the Steelers always considered one of if not tops in the league? Why is Bama's the most dominant in CFB? They both run 3-4s! And when we went to a 3-4 vs. aTm the scheme WAS in fact sound IF we'd had the right personnel. As a matter of fact the adjustments that LSU made Vs. aTm was they started using a 3-3-5 walking down Mingo the exact way we tried to use Deonte vs aTm. I'm not arguing for the 3-4 I just know that EVERY scheme in football has flaws. When I faced guys like Freddie Millons or Jarius Jackson from Tupelo we went from a 4-4 stack defense to a 3-4 or in 3rd & 7+ we went to a 3-3-5. They're the same type of players and you absolutely can NOT allow them to break containment. We "slow played" our Will backer and strong side DE and brought pressure in their faces. LSU & UF did it to Manziel and Bama did too they just did it a little too late. Lol.

Sorry, Coach...you lost me at comparing OUR 3-4 D to the Steelers and Bama. Kinda made his point with that statement. We have to get pressure on the QB at times, but Wilson has not shown the willingness or ability to bring a good blitz. If you NEVER bring pressure, Wilson will torch us because the above poster is right about if you have 15 seconds to throw, you will complete a pass. I agree with you about the 3-4 being a good scheme when run properly, but our coach doesn't run it properly. If Bama's 3-4 got as little pressure as OUR 3-4, Tyler would have had a field day against it. But he didn't because they have the talent to run a 3-4. Both of your points are valid, just not with our talent and our particular "Wilson-led" 3-4. In my opinion

 

[CadaverDawg]

So you're saying you can pass all day on a 3-4 defensive scheme then why are the Steelers always considered one of if not tops in the league? Why is Bama's the most dominant in CFB? They both run 3-4s! And when we went to a 3-4 vs. aTm the scheme WAS in fact sound IF we'd had the right personnel. As a matter of fact the adjustments that LSU made Vs. aTm was they started using a 3-3-5 walking down Mingo the exact way we tried to use Deonte vs aTm. I'm not arguing for the 3-4 I just know that EVERY scheme in football has flaws. When I faced guys like Freddie Millons or Jarius Jackson from Tupelo we went from a 4-4 stack defense to a 3-4 or in 3rd & 7+ we went to a 3-3-5. They're the same type of players and you absolutely can NOT allow them to break containment. We "slow played" our Will backer and strong side DE and brought pressure in their faces. LSU & UF did it to Manziel and Bama did too they just did it a little too late. Lol.

Also, one other thing....You mentioned having to make adjustments throughout the game when you were facing certain teams/players. At what point does Wilson say, "ok, 17 it, they may not be beating us deep in this coverage, but they are beating us everywhere else. So I'm going to change the coverage and let Banks and Slay fend for themselves so we can try to get some pressure and try to slow them down."? He never makes that adjustment, and it seems to be the adjustment that would best fit our talent. You're right, we aren't getting beat deep and over the top, but we are getting beat underneath and in a zone. And Wilson will eat a 3-4 zone coverage for lunch if we never bring pressure or at least 1 extra defender at times. Do you agree? You make some good points, so I'm actually curious to here your thoughts on the lack of that particular adjustment Wilson never makes. Would you let Banks and Slay play man to help in other areas of your D, if you were the coach?
Nickoe seems to be playing so slow and poorly right now that Banks and Slay are basically not getting much help anyway, so why not just bring an extra defender

 

[Drebin]

really?

So you're saying you can pass all day on a 3-4 defensive scheme then why are the Steelers always considered one of if not tops in the league? Why is Bama's the most dominant in CFB? They both run 3-4s! And when we went to a 3-4 vs. aTm the scheme WAS in fact sound IF we'd had the right personnel. As a matter of fact the adjustments that LSU made Vs. aTm was they started using a 3-3-5 walking down Mingo the exact way we tried to use Deonte vs aTm. I'm not arguing for the 3-4 I just know that EVERY scheme in football has flaws. When I faced guys like Freddie Millons or Jarius Jackson from Tupelo we went from a 4-4 stack defense to a 3-4 or in 3rd & 7+ we went to a 3-3-5. They're the same type of players and you absolutely can NOT allow them to break containment. We "slow played" our Will backer and strong side DE and brought pressure in their faces. LSU & UF did it to Manziel and Bama did too they just did it a little too late. Lol.

So we run the same 3-4 defense that Bama and the Steelers run? Brilliant.

Question for you: when is the last time we've had a QB sack from a safety, OLB, or corner? That's the difference between our defense and the ones you reference. We don't have an aggressive defensive philosophy. We have a "let's drop in a zone and don't **** anything up" strategy. It's why teams pass on us at will.

 

[gravedigger]

Wilson essentially said we got out played. Scheme wasn't good and neither was execution. sometimes opposing players out perform your players and your scheme.