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Caveman Catfan said:
Do you consider it relevant that the driver was accused just recently of using the same car as a weapon prior to the parade tragedy?

Some reports are saying he left a domestic dispute, but not that he was being pursued by anyone.

I agree we should wait for evidence, but the information certainly does support the contention that this was an intentional act. He injured or killed over 45. Even for someone “fleeing” that seems extreme absent intent. But, we shall see.
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Oh hell yes that is all relevant, and so is his prior social media history [EDIT: Assuming the social media stuff can be tied to motive or intent to commit the crime itself, i.e., not just general bad stuff]. And the fact he already had several charges pending. Sounds like he should have never been on the street to begin with. All of that info should be gathered and presented to the grand jury and to the jury, if it gets that far.

And he has been charged with five counts of homicide. Odds are about 99.99% that he is not going anywhere in the next 20 or 30 years, and that is being optimistic.
 
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Yep, still there, no pictures, just some continuing coverage with several linked articles, can't speak to how they pay the bills, all the news sites are filled with ads, pop ups and other annoying BS, which is one of many reasons why I stay off of them. Well, I do check CBS Sportsline for game scores (I realize CBS is MSM, but have not seen them alter a score of a game or sporting event yet)

But you assiduously avoided my initial question: Did you intentionally delete the lower half of the screenshot, or did you just repost a tweet from someone who did?
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Man it is obviously a linked tweet. Please tell me you can see that.
 
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Tskware said:
Oh hell yes that is all relevant, and so is his prior social media history [EDIT: Assuming the social media stuff can be tied to motive or intent to commit the crime itself, i.e., not just general bad stuff]. And the fact he already had several charges pending. Sounds like he should have never been on the street to begin with. All of that info should be gathered and presented to the grand jury and to the jury, if it gets that far.

And he has been charged with five counts of homicide. Odds are about 99.99% that he is not going anywhere in the next 20 or 30 years, and that is being optimistic.
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Now we are getting somewhere.

Now that you’ve been spoon fed more info and can finally admit this was an intentional act......let’s finish connecting those dots as to why he had so much hate inside him that it caused him to do this.

If you can answer that honestly, you’ll be very close to understanding the point.
 
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cat_chaser said:
Now we are getting somewhere.

Now that you’ve been spoon fed more info and can finally admit this was an intentional act......let’s finish connecting those dots as to why he had so much hate inside him that it caused him to do this.

If you can answer that honestly, you’ll be very close to understanding the point.
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He is SO close…
 
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Media is worse than in North Korea, Iran and Soviet Russia
The more they try to prove how they are not racist, the more racist they become
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Of course, in your mind, Fox News and Newsmax aren’t media, just reliable sources. You folks who aren’t discerning enough to think for yourselves are pathetic.
 
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Of course, in your mind, Fox News and Newsmax aren’t media, just reliable sources. You folks who aren’t discerning enough to think for yourselves are pathetic.
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Find a mirror before posting crap like this and become illuminated.
 
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Don't see it on MSDNC either. However, plastered at the top, front and center is this lovely race baiting, lying leftist propaganda:


From Charleston to Charlottesville: White nationalists are winning the race war they began​

 
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At least it's still being reported on those sites. Just checked CNN and it's gone from their home page. Discern that, dip.
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Right now there's an article on their home page under News and Buzz. Took two seconds to find it, angry fella.
 
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Have we not covered this topic already? Can someone fill me in on what I missed the last 24 hours? Is the MSM still pure evil, and covering up the parade homicide case?
 
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Tskware said:
Have we not covered this topic already? Can someone fill me in on what I missed the last 24 hours? Is the MSM still pure evil, and covering up the parade homicide case?
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An officer who witnessed the accident said the driver appeared to speed up as he approached the crowd. Others have said he appeared to be aiming at people, a charge also made against him before. Some are reporting that he made racially charged comments about white people on social media that have since been removed. Would you agree that the evidence does not rule out this as a racially motivated hate crime? If so, would you encourage the Biden administration to investigate for federal charges?

Oh, and now six dead as an 8 year-old died.
 
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DNC Media covered Jussie Smollett and Bubba Wallace hoaxes more than they did a BLM terrorist attack.

I'm not surprised as I have studied and witnessed media's coverage on race the last 7-10 years. Amplify "whitey is evil" and "POC are victims" at all times. Never mention race when a black person is doing the violence which by FACTUAL DATA, is the biggest culprit of interracial murder/assault/rape. Use words like "Man" "38-year old man" "local man" "suspect" "Cleveland Man" "youths" to disguise it and then downplay any racial motive cause it hurts the agenda.

Just like with the #StopAsianHate hashtag and coverage. Media intentionally being vague and deceptive about what was occurring and preying upon the weak-minded groups who believe whitey is doing it. Never mind that it was video after video of blacks doing it. Can't mention that.

This guy should be seen in the same eye of a Dylan Roof but he won't be because media chooses what is "important" and what's not. So they can gaslight you about the Capitol in January while ignoring the anarchy brought on by BLM and Antifa all summer of 2020. Evil people.
 
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Of course, in your mind, Fox News and Newsmax aren’t media, just reliable sources. You folks who aren’t discerning enough to think for yourselves are pathetic.
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lol. That's always the rebuttal. "FAUX NEWS!" You assume because they can point out the DNC Media's 24/7 deception with their giant megaphone of a platform that somehow makes you a cheerleader for Fox News. It doesn't. Fox is trash as well but it's the only chance outside of citizen journalism that you will be able to see DNC Media exposed or anything that dares to challenge their narrative get covered.

The media industry is overwhelmingly DNC propaganda (dominated by leftists) and was exposed in the DNC leaks as such. They're not news. It's straight fiction and everything is presented with a spin. Their hypocrisy is constantly on display. You can't conduct yourself with pure hysteria regarding anything to do with your political opposition and then just act as a cheerleader when the blue team is in scandal after scandal, lying, and acting as tyrants.

Any journalist worth a **** should want to take on every politician, expose corruption no matter who is doing it. But these are not legit journalists. These are leftist ideologues choosing what you get to know and trying to warp perception of reality.
 
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From an article:


“At this point, it was clear to the officer that this was an intentional act to strike and hurt as many people as possible,” the complaint said.

The officer saw the SUV appear to be intentionally moving side to side, striking multiple people, and bodies and objects were flying in the air, the complaint said.

Another officer shot at and struck the car three times to try to make it stop, the complaint said.

“As I continued to watch the SUV, it continued to drive in a zigzag motion. It was like the SUV was trying to avoid vehicles, not people. There was no attempt made by the car to stop, much less slow down,” one witness was quoted saying in the complaint.

Another witness described the same zigzag driving pattern by the SUV and said he felt it was “a direct intent to hit as many parade participants,” the complaint said.
 
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Caveman Catfan said:
An officer who witnessed the accident said the driver appeared to speed up as he approached the crowd. Others have said he appeared to be aiming at people, a charge also made against him before. Some are reporting that he made racially charged comments about white people on social media that have since been removed. Would you agree that the evidence does not rule out this as a racially motivated hate crime? If so, would you encourage the Biden administration to investigate for federal charges?

Oh, and now six dead as an 8 year-old died.
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At least we are having a polite conversation, that is progress

You raise a fair question about hate crimes. That is a charge that I have always been a little uncomfortable with, and the Dylan Roof case and this case are perfect examples of why.

I can understand that burning a cross on the front lawn of a black family's home, or painting a swatiska on a synagogue is a lot more serious than trespass or destruction of property.

But when it comes to homicide, I have always struggled to see the point, tbh. Roof murdered 9 people in cold blood, and will never see the light of day again. Roberts in Wisconsin is now facing six homicides, plus already has a criminal record a mile long, his best case scenario is six consecutive life sentences. In short, he is never leaving jail again either. So if you call either case a hate crime, what does that accomplish, other than to establish motive? You going to give him 7 or 8 life sentences to enhance the punishment? What else can you do to him, assuming the death penalty is not an option. Motive seems to be the least of the concerns of the prosecutor in cases like Roof and Roberts, the punishment is not going to change. Once he gets sentenced to six life sentences, federal charges won't be a concern either, but of course, the federal government has always done a lot of stupid and unnecessary things, so can't say they won't investigate.
 
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The biggest story in the country, buried on the second page in small font. Meanwhile, the top story is some stupid BS about Trump. Thanks for making my point.
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The story isn't buried. You said it wasn't there and I found an article in seconds. You're fake upset because there isn't a blown up photo with giant font that says BIDEN'S AMERICA TRUMP COME BACK. You and King are constantly fake angry and it's a bizarre persona to own. It's actually silly that someone (you) is scouring every news site just to be angry and then post rants. Have at it though and Happy, er, Angry Thanksgiving.
 
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Tskware said:
At least we are having a polite conversation, that is progress

You raise a fair question about hate crimes. That is a charge that I have always been a little uncomfortable with, and the Dylan Roof case and this case are perfect examples of why.

I can understand that burning a cross on the front lawn of a black family's home, or painting a swatiska on a synagogue is a lot more serious than trespass or destruction of property.

But when it comes to homicide, I have always struggled to see the point, tbh. Roof murdered 9 people in cold blood, and will never see the light of day again. Roberts in Wisconsin is now facing six homicides, plus already has a criminal record a mile long, his best case scenario is six consecutive life sentences. In short, he is never leaving jail again either. So if you call either case a hate crime, what does that accomplish, other than to establish motive? You going to give him 7 or 8 life sentences to enhance the punishment. Motive seems to be the least of the concerns of the prosecutor in cases like Roof and Roberts, the punishment is not going to change. Once he gets sentenced to six life sentences, federal charges won't be a concern either, but of course, the federal government has always done a lot of stupid and unnecessary things, so can't say they won't investigate.
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When have I been impolite?

You are making a legislative argument, rather than commenting on how to charge. The hate crime enhancers exist as a matter of statute. Charges are brought when the evidence meets the elements of a crime. This is not a political discussion about the appropriateness or value of a statute on the books, but is a charging issue that could make this a federal crime, rather than a just a state crime. That, if we are discussing outcomes, could impact Brooks’ sentence, as Wisconsin does not have the death penalty.
 
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Tskware said:
At least we are having a polite conversation, that is progress

You raise a fair question about hate crimes. That is a charge that I have always been a little uncomfortable with, and the Dylan Roof case and this case are perfect examples of why.

I can understand that burning a cross on the front lawn of a black family's home, or painting a swatiska on a synagogue is a lot more serious than trespass or destruction of property.

But when it comes to homicide, I have always struggled to see the point, tbh. Roof murdered 9 people in cold blood, and will never see the light of day again. Roberts in Wisconsin is now facing six homicides, plus already has a criminal record a mile long, his best case scenario is six consecutive life sentences. In short, he is never leaving jail again either. So if you call either case a hate crime, what does that accomplish, other than to establish motive? You going to give him 7 or 8 life sentences to enhance the punishment? What else can you do to him, assuming the death penalty is not an option. Motive seems to be the least of the concerns of the prosecutor in cases like Roof and Roberts, the punishment is not going to change. Once he gets sentenced to six life sentences, federal charges won't be a concern either, but of course, the federal government has always done a lot of stupid and unnecessary things, so can't say they won't investigate.
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Don't worry, they will do all possible to hide the motive, or shape one that is semi-palatable to the left. They're already doing it.

In any murder case, motive is important. If it had been a right wing murderer, motive would be all you heard about, and it would be exaggerated and milked for every ounce of political capital by every GD leftist "journalist" and talk show "expert" for as long as possible. See Russia, Russia, Russia, or any of the other MSM ******** lies over the last 5 years.
 
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Caveman Catfan said:
When have I been impolite?

You are making a legislative argument, rather than commenting on how to charge. The hate crime enhancers exist as a matter of statute. Charges are brought when the evidence meets the elements of a crime. This is not a political discussion about the appropriateness or value of a statute on the books, but is a charging issue that could make this a federal crime, rather than a just a state crime. That, if we are discussing outcomes, could impact Brooks’ sentence, as Wisconsin does not have the death penalty.
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You are not being impolite, that is why I responded directly to you in kind. I used to enjoy this board 1000% more when real discussions like this were the norm, rather than the exception to the rule. I know a lot of long time posters who agree with me, FWIW.

You may know more about federal crimes than I do, have never dealt with federal crimes in my life. But you are also right, I certainly am expressing my reservations as to whether that is a good law on the books, or at least its limitations where the commission of the crime is obvious, and there is next to no doubt about guilt or innocence (unlike Rittenhouse or the Brunswick, GA defendants, neither Roberts or Roof can or could plead self defense).

And just as a matter of judicial resources, from what I have seen, once the state court convicts someone of murder, like in this case, and gets multiple life sentences without parole, there is very little incentive to bring separate federal charges. Did they bring federal charges against Roof? I am honestly asking, but I don't recall if they did.
 
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Nightwish84 said:
The story isn't buried. You said it wasn't there and I found an article in seconds. You're fake upset because there isn't a blown up photo with giant font that says BIDEN'S AMERICA TRUMP COME BACK. You and King are constantly fake angry and it's a bizarre persona to own. It's actually silly that someone (you) is scouring every news site just to be angry and then post rants. Have at it though and Happy, er, Angry Thanksgiving.
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Excuse me. Innocent people have been slaughtered. Every decent human being in the country is angry about it. Don't worry, it will be made easy for you to ignore.
 
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Tskware said:
You are not being impolite, that is why I responded directly to you in kind. I used to enjoy this board 1000% more when real discussions like this were the norm, rather than the exception to the rule. I know a lot of long time posters who agree with me, FWIW.

You may know more about federal crimes than I do, have never dealt with federal crimes in my life. But you are also right, I certainly am expressing my reservations as to whether that is a good law on the books, or at least its limitations where the commission of the crime is obvious, and there is next to no doubt about guilt or innocence (unlike Rittenhouse or the Brunswick, GA defendants, neither Roberts or Roof can or could plead self defense).

And just as a matter of judicial resources, from what I have seen, once the state court convicts someone of murder, like in this case, and gets multiple life sentences without parole, there is very little incentive to bring separate federal charges. Did they bring federal charges against Roof? I am honestly asking, but I don't recall if they did.
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I do not recall with regard to Roof. But, as you know, each sovereign can enforce its laws. Now, as you mentioned, as a practical matter, one usually defers to the other. Sentencing is often a factor in those decisions.
 
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BTW, Tskware, I have never been a fan of the hate crime enhancements for violent crimes, as I don’t think it rational to conclude one reason for murdering or doing great harm is arguably worse than another. If I kill you because I think you looked at me weirdly or because of your sexuality, the outcome is the same and I doubt some enhancement is going to be a deterrent.
 
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IdaCat said:
Excuse me. Innocent people have been slaughtered. Every decent human being in the country is angry about it. Don't worry, it will be made easy for you to ignore.
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You're angry about life. That's your thing. If someone started a banana bread thread (which might not be a bad idea), you'd show up and rant that we better enjoy the bread now because the leftist media and WOKE mob will cancel it soon.

Btw, you're more angry about the "liberal" media and not the tragedy itself and it shows.
 
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IdaCat said:
Excuse me. Innocent people have been slaughtered. Every decent human being in the country is angry about it. Don't worry, it will be made easy for you to ignore.
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Probably doesn’t help that the killer is a BLM acolyte. It’s almost as if that is not really a peaceful movement after all.
 
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