With this new dumb helmet rule, why are they still using snaps???

Bulldog Bruce

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You would think you would use something much harder to undo, like surgically implanted anchor bolts.

This rule is going to cost someone a game.
 

The Peeper

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I heard a radio interview this week that said part of the blame goes to the players/trainers. The players don't like the helmets as snug fitting as they are designed to be worn so they under-inflate the pads (the ones that are designed to be manually done) and so there is more room than there is supposed to be for them to slide around on the head and/or be forced upward and therefore off.
 

jcdawgman18

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Like peeper said, it's really about guys not wearing their helmet appropriately. If you are wearing a properly sized and properly strapped up helmet, it should take a heck of a lot to get it off.
 

patdog

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In the BYU game last week they showed how BYU had bolted down the top 2 strap connections onto the helmet. Only the bottom ones could be unsnapped. Every team should do this.
 

dawgs.sixpack

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Like peeper said, it's really about guys not wearing their helmet appropriately. If you are wearing a properly sized and properly strapped up helmet, it should take a heck of a lot to get it off.

then why not simply send the refs or a ncaa official into the locker rooms before the game to make sure players are wearing properly sized helmets? or if a guy is playing with a his chin strap unbuckled or with an obviously big helmet, the refs can send him off the field to get the right helmet or buckle it up, then if the same player is caught again with an unbuckled or wrong sized helmet, it's a 15 yard penalty?
 

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Stupidest rule EVAR....

Trying to protect players from themselves is damn awful. The NFL has been doing it for ages, and it's almost ruined the game. They'll be playing with flags inside of 10 years at the rate they're going. Now college is trying to follow suit. Stop that **** and play ball. It's a dangerous game. The players know and consent to it. If they didn't, they wouldn't be playing.

And yes, the new rule is definitely going to cost someone a game at some point this season.
 

patdog

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Because it's not so much about how the helmets are sized as it is about how the padding is inflated and how the helmet is strapped. It would be simple to get a helmet to pass a pre-game inspection and then loosed the straps and/or reduce the pressure in the padding. The new rule is a good one.
 

missouridawg

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Trying to protect players from themselves is damn awful. The NFL has been doing it for ages, and it's almost ruined the game. They'll be playing with flags inside of 10 years at the rate they're going. Now college is trying to follow suit. Stop that **** and play ball. It's a dangerous game. The players know and consent to it. If they didn't, they wouldn't be playing.

And yes, the new rule is definitely going to cost someone a game at some point this season.

Nfl viewership is at its highest of all time. Protecting players (qbs) has paid major dividends for the nfl. It hasnt even come close to making the game unwatchable.
 

War Machine Dawg

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Then we'll just have to disagree. Ronnie Lott, Reggie White, Mike Singletary, Dick Butkus, Bruce Smith, Mean Joe Greene, and a whole hell of a lot of others wouldn't last 2 seasons in the NFL now because of the way they played. I'm all for scoring points, but the Brady Rules protecting QBs are ******. I don't want to see a 6-3 game every week, but the way the rules are now blow for defenses. You look at a WR wrong and it's P.I. And God forbid you actually lay one out when he goes across the middle. That's a several thousand dollar fine and suspension. Last time I checked, that was called football.

And as far as viewership, it's only gone up because of the increased offense. The casual fan wants to see points scored, not watch a defensive struggle. That doesn't mean the game hasn't significantly changed, because it has.

People get hurt. It's part of the game. You hate it when it happens, but it'll never be eliminated unless you outlaw tackling. And even then someone will occasionally blow out a knee on a non-contact injury. Look no further than Brandon McRae. And before you rebut, remember Terry Bradshaw recently said he thinks the NFL will stop tackling within a few years.
 

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Like peeper said, it's really about guys not wearing their helmet appropriately. If you are wearing a properly sized and properly strapped up helmet, it should take a heck of a lot to get it off.


"a heck of a lot":



...carry on
 

FlabLoser

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Some teams will take advantage of this.

I heard that last week, the Auburn defense was trying to pull/hit/unsnap helmets off the opponent.
 

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Then we'll just have to disagree. Ronnie Lott, Reggie White, Mike Singletary, Dick Butkus, Bruce Smith, Mean Joe Greene, and a whole hell of a lot of others wouldn't last 2 seasons in the NFL now because of the way they played. I'm all for scoring points, but the Brady Rules protecting QBs are ******. I don't want to see a 6-3 game every week, but the way the rules are now blow for defenses. You look at a WR wrong and it's P.I. And God forbid you actually lay one out when he goes across the middle. That's a several thousand dollar fine and suspension. Last time I checked, that was called football.

And as far as viewership, it's only gone up because of the increased offense. The casual fan wants to see points scored, not watch a defensive struggle. That doesn't mean the game hasn't significantly changed, because it has.

People get hurt. It's part of the game. You hate it when it happens, but it'll never be eliminated unless you outlaw tackling. And even then someone will occasionally blow out a knee on a non-contact injury. Look no further than Brandon McRae. And before you rebut, remember Terry Bradshaw recently said he thinks the NFL will stop tackling within a few years.


I wish there was a legit rival league that focused on defense and hitting- or really less on "protecting players". If they started poaching some of the top defensive players in the NFL, you better believe the NFL would notice.
 

dawgs.sixpack

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then check the helmets on the sidelines if a player's helmet flies off. if the pressure is released or the straps loosened, then the player sits out the rest of the drive or a penalty is assessed or something.

i'd rather just about anything than for us to lose a game because tyler russell is wearing his helmet properly, completes a pass inside the 10 yard line as the clock is running down, but gets hit and the helmet naturally comes off and we have to run the game deciding play as time expires with dak prescott coming off the bench. and it's not just msu, i'd hate to see ANY game decided by something like that. hell, it's worth a defender ripping a facemask in hopes of getting away with it in a lot of cases. maybe he gets flagged, but maybe not. seems like half the distance to the goal is a small price to pay when you have a 25% chance at getting away with putting the starting QB on the bench for the final play of the game.
 

missouridawg

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Then we'll just have to disagree. Ronnie Lott, Reggie White, Mike Singletary, Dick Butkus, Bruce Smith, Mean Joe Greene, and a whole hell of a lot of others wouldn't last 2 seasons in the NFL now because of the way they played. I'm all for scoring points, but the Brady Rules protecting QBs are ******. I don't want to see a 6-3 game every week, but the way the rules are now blow for defenses. You look at a WR wrong and it's P.I. And God forbid you actually lay one out when he goes across the middle. That's a several thousand dollar fine and suspension. Last time I checked, that was called football.

And as far as viewership, it's only gone up because of the increased offense. The casual fan wants to see points scored, not watch a defensive struggle. That doesn't mean the game hasn't significantly changed, because it has.

People get hurt. It's part of the game. You hate it when it happens, but it'll never be eliminated unless you outlaw tackling. And even then someone will occasionally blow out a knee on a non-contact injury. Look no further than Brandon McRae. And before you rebut, remember Terry Bradshaw recently said he thinks the NFL will stop tackling within a few years.

What is there to disagree on? You stated that the new rules "almost ruined the game" and that's clearly not the case based upon how popular football has grown since the late 90s.

Has it changed the game? Absolutely. But it's becoming much more watchable by many, many more people. "Ruining" the game would be like what Title IX does to men's college soccer.
 

patdog

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If Russell is wearing his helmet properly, the odds of that happening are pretty slim. This rule is no different than if Russell takes a hard hit and the training staff has to come out. If it's that critical of a situation, call time out so he doesn't have to sit out the play. And I hope other teams try to rip our helmets off to get a player out for a play. That's a certain 15-yard penalty and the player doesn't have to come out. So good luck with that strategy.
 

rabiddawg

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Several teams I have seen play so far use anchors now on the top snaps which renders them unable to be undone. The bottom snap points are the only ones that can be unsnapped. We need to go with that, especially the way we are laying the wood.
 

dawgs.sixpack

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i didn't say that a defender trying to rip a helmet off would never get caught, i'm saying that there's a chance he might not. and if he doesn't then our player has to come out. if he does get caught and say the ball is already on the 8 yard line with enough time for 1 play, then the penalty doesn't hurt all that much to move it to the 4 yard line for 1 final play. hell, i'd rather have 1 final play from the 35 with my starting QB in than 1 final play from the 20 with my backup in.

also, you can't call a TO to allow your player to stay in the game.

and finally, i don't care if it's a 0.00001% chance, i don't want the helmet rule affecting the outcome of that 1 game a season or every 5 seasons or once a decade. there are ways to monitor helmets before, after, during games to ensure players are wearing them properly without putting the integrity of the game in danger.