With Woods throwing 169 pitches for UT, does that make Auggie a bad coach?

[TBonewannabe]

He threw something like 13 innings which 12 1/3 were no hit baseball. Occasionally I think it is ok.

 

[Coach34]

give the guy 7 days off and he will be fine when he comes back next Fri or Sat

 

[Grittinessiskey]

and I even get why Cohen did it seeing how your bullpen turned out but it's also two completely different situations. Doing it in the middle of the regular season, where it made almost no difference and deciding to do it when the alternative may mean needing to win three games in a row to advance in the tournament is not really a good comparison. But whatever, I personally don't see why either situation was or would be a big deal. College baseball is a different animal than the Majors. Most of the kids seem to have noodles for arms anyway, outside of Bittle at least. If I were Tony Gwynn I'd start Straussberg (sp?) every game from now until they were eliminated for ***** and giggles.

 

[BriantheDawg]

Our season wasnt completely in the tank at that point. We still had a chance to stay in the SEC race for a trip to the SECT, which would have in turn gotten us in a Regional somewhere more than likely. Throwing a shitload of pitches is throwing a shitload of pitches is throwing a shitload of pitches, no matter what part of the season it is done. The only difference here is Cohen is the State baseball coach and you OM idiots feel the need to demonize him because, well, I dont really know why. Had Cohen done what Garrido did last night, there would be a 5 page thread on here telling us why we need to fire Cohen and that his players hate him, blah blah blah. But hey, 199 pitches in 2 days isnt a big deal if you are in a Regional doing it. Whatever.

 

[8dog]

in doing in the regular season or the postseason if you truly believe you are endangering someone's health. To think otherwise is stupid.

 

[patdog]

199 pitches in just over 24 hours is way too many. </p>

 

[Grittinessiskey]

Pretty sure I in no way demonized Cohen in my post, actually I did the exact opposite and said I saw where he was coming from. I said that it was different situation the two teams were in, that's it. But since you just wanted to find some justification for calling me an "OM idiot" by making something up I'll throw something into this thread so it's justified: Cohen is THE WORST. State is DOOOOOOMED.

 

[KurtRambis4]

if you feel that throwing that many pitches is going to hurt someone, then it really doesn't matter when it is done. i just wish all the morons that were raising hell about us doing it would respond. that's the thing, most people that take pitch counts as serious as the ones in those threads have no clue. i'll take orel hershiser's opinion on the matter over some om clown that just started following baseball 8 years ago.

 

[BriantheDawg]

The day after Cohen let Whitney throw 148 pitches or whatever it was, we had a 5 page thread on here telling us what a terrible person Cohen was and that he doesnt care about his players pro future, we should fire him, we hired the wrong guy, so on & so forth. Thats what I was referring to.

But for you to say it is totally different because Garrido did it in a Regional is simply false. Garrido was just trying to win (which is what his job entails), just like Cohen was. What part of the season something like this happens is irrelevant.

 

[Todd4State]

And I don't have a problem with what Cohen did with Whitney.

What's the difference? Garrido did this with his closer. Whitney is a starter.

Now, Garrido can't use his closer for the rest of the regional, and if he does, the guy is probably shot.

It's a different situation, but you're going to see starting pitchers throw high pitch counts throughout the college season.

I just find it ironic that some of those people, specifically Ricky's Dad or whatever his username is on GP had no problem with what McNickle did and then when one guy, who isn't even his son, throws 145 or whatever, he's going to kick Cohen's ***? Please.

But this is all just part of transitioning from being a program that is about "the MSU baseball experience" to being a program that is trying to win. We have a lot of fans that have no clue how to win at baseball. They think you read Polk's book and show up and things will go your way because you occasionally yell ball 4 at the other pitcher. A lot of them also think that if Polk recruited you, "you must be good". Then they are shocked they suck, and the only way they can rationalize it is that it's because "Cohen's yelling at them" and telling them that they "aren't good."

I think (hope) that will change once Cohen starts winning, because then the players are going to start to educate the fans about how to win, along with Cohen, and I think the fans will follow along.

 

[Grittinessiskey]

All I am saying is that if that game had been a regular season game, then I doubt you would have seen him keep that dude in for 12+ innings. I'm not arguing about whether or not it's healthy or if the coach is a terrible person or not, I'm just talking about his mindset which, stupid or not, I believe is different in the winner's bracket game of a regional than in a game in the regular season. So I think what part of the season this happened is in totally relevant although I do agree with you that from a health standpoint its not.

 

[8dog]

then why should you not do it in the regular season?

 

[KurtRambis4]

the reason you people are saying its wrong is because it's "unhealthy." if it's not a concern, regarding health, then what does it matter?

 

[Grittinessiskey]

I don't care at all, not one bit, whether Garrido or Cohen (DOOOOOOOOOOM) should or should not have their pitchers throw 140+ pitches. In fact, I'll even say that both of them should do it again if the situation calls for it because it gave both of their teams the best shot at winning the ballgame they were playing in whether it be the regular season or the postseason. I never said either of them should not do it. I was just speculating on why Garrido did it and whether or not he would have done the same thing in the regular season. Cohen may or may not have been wrong for doing it, I don't know or care, but at least he was trying to win. The only thing I can compare that to is, being a Cubs fan, Pinella throwing Marmol 192038+ innings last year, and even that is sort of an apples and oranges thing. It may be wrong, I dunno, but I definitely wanted him in at the end of the game whether he pitched the last 10 days in a row or not.

 

[Grittinessiskey]

In fact, it looked pretty right to me. They won

 

[8dog]

you said comparing Cohen's decision in the regular season with Garrido's decision in the postseason is not a good comparison. If health is not a factor, then why can't I compare them?

 

[alabamadog]

I just find it ironic that some of those people, specifically Ricky's Dad or whatever his username is on GP had no problem with what McNickle did and then when one guy, who isn't even his son, throws 145 or whatever, he's going to kick Cohen's ***? Please.

He is lucky that most people don't know how bad he was. People don't ***** about him because they didn't see him coach at practice.