Woodstock Girls BB Team is a Disgrace

[Cross Bones]

Originally posted by ramblinman:
Bones, the best opportunity for a consequence for the Woodstock girls would have new related to their very next game. That opportunity train left the station last Monday. As for Rice kids chanting Buckwheat, I have no idea what consequence was meted out in their case. But I don't think it is reasonable to equate the ugly actions of a group of fans sitting in the crowd with those of a readily identifiable school team dressed in their team uniform.

I don't know what type of punishment I would hand out. I don't think I would have done anything to the game itself because the incident did not affect the actual game like say New England cheating with the balls. I can say one year in Pop Warner we were playing some team on an extremely muddy field. After we won the hard fought game, in the hand shake line, a some of us reached down and grabbed some mud for the hand shakes. Dumb, I know, as if we werent already muddy. Anyways I can only recall one time in my life running more than I had to run that next practice. I thought that was a fair punishment then and now.

In this case the coach can't make the guilty players run because the coach is in the picture. I think it is an internal discipline issue. Possibly a hundred suicides for the team (what the heck make coach run em too) and game suspension for coach for not recognizing that this was an incredibly stupid thing to do. But I can't see anything like forfeiting the next game.

As for the Rice incident I agree that it is different in that its easier to hand out punishment to people who you know exactly who they are, but I see the infraction as being somewhat similar. But I don't know what kind of discipline the school could have handed out judiciously--perhaps a whole school detention and something like what Maine South got in football a few years back in regards to hosting.

I dunno. Maybe just a stern talking to by the kids parents.

 

[GMAN81]

Bones:

As Ramblin said, we aren't comparing the same thing here. Two things are different. As was said, it's fans in one incident and players and coaches in the other. But there is one other thing.

The incident between the Rice fans and the Thornton player happened in 1997 almost 20 years ago. Rice sent a letter of apology...lame in my opinion and Thornton's principal did not accept it. He said "it happened in public and deserves a public apology." Then a Brother Rice official read an apology over the Thornton loudspeaker system. That apology was accepted and Thornton declared the incident over that "the healing process could begin."

Two things. If that happened in 2015 I would surmise the fallout would be much worse. The other is this. Maybe this is what the school officials at Woodstock should do. Go to the other school and issue a formal, public apology. Their apology was also lame and shouldn't be accepted.

Neither was a good situation.

I may have some here disagree but I don't think a coach or a team should be asked to control their fans. That should be up to the security at the game. The coach has too many other things to do than to worry about how fans act. They all represent the school, but when I see a coach and players act like this I feel it is worse than what fans do...even though the Rice fans did have a habit of doing things like this. I know of another incident in which the Rice fans acted the same way at a different basketball game. I was at that game too and saw and heard it.

 

[Cross Bones]

Originally posted by Dr. Mirakle:
Bones:

As Ramblin said, we aren't comparing the same thing here. Two things are different. As was said, it's fans in one incident and players and coaches in the other. But there is one other thing.

The incident between the Rice fans and the Thornton player happened in 1997 almost 20 years ago. Rice sent a letter of apology...lame in my opinion and Thornton's principal did not accept it. He said "it happened in public and deserves a public apology." Then a Brother Rice official read an apology over the Thornton loudspeaker system. That apology was accepted and Thornton declared the incident over that "the healing process could begin."

Two things. If that happened in 2015 I would surmise the fallout would be much worse. The other is this. Maybe this is what the school officials at Woodstock should do. Go to the other school and issue a formal, public apology. Their apology was also lame and shouldn't be accepted.

Neither was a good situation.

I may have some here disagree but I don't think a coach or a team should be asked to control their fans. That should be up to the security at the game. The coach has too many other things to do than to worry about how fans act. They all represent the school, but when I see a coach and players act like this I feel it is worse than what fans do...even though the Rice fans did have a habit of doing things like this. I know of another incident in which the Rice fans acted the same way at a different basketball game. I was at that game too and saw and heard it.

I agree they are different, but it was the closest offense that I could think of. One thing I do disagree with though is I think the team AND the fans/student section are extensions of the school and administrators are to be in charge of disciplining their body whether they play basketball or not. So, no the coach should not be in charge, but ultimately the buck stops with someone in the school since it was a school event.

As for if it happened today, there was recently an incident down in Texas. I don't know how it was handled. TBH I don't think it should have been the "national story" that it became.

And I am still not ruling out that the parents should probably do some disciplining.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

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This post was edited on 2/28 5:05 PM by Wild_Mustang

 

[MWittman]

Originally posted by Cross Bones:

I think the team AND the fans/student section are extensions of the school and administrators are to be in charge of disciplining their body whether they play basketball or not.

Bones:

I could not agree more. When incidents as ugly as this, and those mentioned in this thread prior occur, it is the responsibility of the school to take action. If this occurs, it reflects poorly upon the administration of a school, the Deans Office, the athletic department and the individual classroom instructors. Although the primary instruction begins at home with parents, these essential values are re-enforced through our educators.

I deplore the incident between LA and NT fifteen years ago; I have a deep contempt for the actions of BR's student body with their ungracious chants; I have blasted the use of profane language by coaches; I find this de classe act by Woodstock to be particularly course, beastly rather; and find we continue to address these antecedents to be disturbing, not because they occur, but with the frequency they occur.

Someone isn't doing their job, whether it be at home or in a high school. These examples are discussed because there is little punishment and typically, among those charged with enforcing punishment, it elicits a roll of the eyes and uttering: "Move on." The conversations regarding these disturbances only end when sufficient action is taken to change the behavior of those involved. Such action will serve as a reminder to discourage others from engaging in similar activity and that there are tangible consequences.

My bet: We will soon re-visit this same subject because, well, you know.......................

 

[GMAN81]

Originally posted by Cross Bones:

I agree they are different, but it was the closest offense that I could think of. One thing I do disagree with though is I think the team AND the fans/student section are extensions of the school and administrators are to be in charge of disciplining their body whether they play basketball or not. So, no the coach should not be in charge, but ultimately the buck stops with someone in the school since it was a school event.

Yes definitely the fans and players are extensions of the school. And yes the administrators should hand out the punishment. I was just saying the coach should not be in charge of "crowd control" during the game, but should and does abide by whatever punishments do come down.

With that said, I don't think the parents should be in charge of disciplining the players here. That would most likely go nowhere, especially when you have the "my kid never does anything wrong" parents. It should be a good stern punishment and suspension from school is in line. Anything to make sure it doesn't happen again.

The way I see it, the players and coaches should be held to a higher standard than fans. Just my opinion.

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

You would of thought there would have been at least one Christian girl on the Woodstock team that would have known better -- but the entire team joining in, I just don't get it.

Can only hope they learn from this.

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What would happen to these girls if they disgraced Muhammad (the Muslim faith)??

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This post was edited on 2/28 8:17 PM by Wassup13