flops, bad calls, and one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. I read where Brazil had to build a stadium (270mil) that will only host 4 games...and because it is in a remote place (Manaus)...it will rarely be used after the games are completed.
World Cup is beyond stupid...
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Countries are starting to agree with you. Same for the Olympics. Only countries that already have the infrastructure in place or those countries with stupid leaders wanting to show off their penis size are bidding right now.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/29/s...s-for-2022-winter-games-are-melting-away.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/29/s...s-for-2022-winter-games-are-melting-away.html
It's been corrupt for a long time. Pass money to the right officials and you can get anything done. The more that comes out about the Qatar World Cup bid, the worse they look. There's no reason for them to host and it's obvious money was used to gain favor.
To me it makes it impossible to watch. I've tried, many times to get into it, but the flopping is ridiculous. It makes the San Antonio Spurs look honest. In my opinion, the flopping and the dramatics are a huge reason why soccer isn't more important in the US. I know that's not a new argument, but it's one I believe to be true.
Why don't they only award the World Cup to countries that already have stadiums?
For that matter, wasn't Brazil already full of nice stadiums, or at least nice enough for this event? Why did they have to build a bunch of new ones?
For that matter, wasn't Brazil already full of nice stadiums, or at least nice enough for this event? Why did they have to build a bunch of new ones?
Reports indicating that FIFA is about to award Qatar's World Cup to the USA.
So right now I'm a huge fan or corruption.
So right now I'm a huge fan or corruption.
The US and a handful of European nations are the only countries that wouldn't need new stadiums. And FIFA has a rule that a continent can only host once every 12 years, so that's why they move it around so much.
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Im watching it, but you are dead on about the flopping. It is beyond ridiculous at this point. And to make it worse, the instant replays always show these super slow mo shots of guys in agony over a foul, and the replay shows that they just got their toe stepped on. Yet they reacted like a sniper got em....it's embarrassing. At times in the Brazil game today, it almost looked like a scripted soap opera between the flops, the looks of pain, and the slow motion shots of guys holding out their arms to the ref as if they're pleading not to be beheaded. Just awful sometimes. But it is still the only time I ever watch soccer.
Last I heard the USA announced they aren't going to bid on any more World Cups until FIFA gets their corruption problem under control. But several of the big sponsors are putting pressure on FIFA to re-bid the 2022 World Cup, so maybe the USA would re-submit a bid under those circumstances. That one would have been a slam dunk for the USA to win the bid if the process hadn't been rigged.
I expect the sponsors to get their way on 2022. They'd take a huge hit on Qatar. I'm a big fan but the human rights disaster there would make it hard not to get behind a boycott.
The initial reports I'm referring to say that FIFA has contacted US Soccer and basically told them they were the backup plan in case they find actual evidence of bribery in Qatar. I don't expect anything to come of it.
not that I condone flopping (in any sport), but only people who haven't played soccer competitively say this.
That's been discredited but regardless, the tide seems to be turning on Qatar over the last few weeks.
You may be right, but that's what makes soccer so difficult to watch. It's the blatant, chickenshit flop that makes me turn the channel. My roommate in law school, who I grew up with played soccer. I tried to get into soccer when we lived together and couldn't. Even he admitted it gets out of hand. I remember watch a game Italy was playing that made me sick. Like the coach earlier in the week who acted like his throat was cut when he was lightly shoved in the shoulder? It's asinine and juvenile. And if it's the culture of the sport as you're implying, then that's why it's a ****** sport.
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These stupid immigrants!! They need to quit this here fancy soccer and what not! if they don't like Merica then they can get out!!1
These stupid immigrants!! They need to quit this here fancy soccer and what not! if they don't like Merica then they can get out!!1
Which is why they now can award yellow cards for simulation, right? Because the sport DOESNT have a flopping problem.
Fact is, it does, and it disgusts me. Soccer is such a beautiful game when played the right way. The falling down at any contact (such as last nights penalty) is hurting the game.
Agree completely. The refs can, and sometimes do, give a yellow for flopping. But not nearly often enough. In the high profile leagues (and at the World Cup) they need to have a mechanism to retroactively give a player a yellow card at the start of the next game for obvious flops that weren't carded during the game.
The problem in soccer is that the reward for a dive is so much greater than it is in any other sport. An entire game can revolve on the call, and the risk of a yellow card is not sufficiently great to be a deterrent. Retroactive suspensions have been suggested as an alternative.
Just depends on the time of the game. A ref throwing a phantom pass interference penalty in the endzone on a 50 yard hail mary in the last minute of a game can change the game a lot too.
A player flopping at midfield really doesn't have that much of an impact.
A player flopping at midfield really doesn't have that much of an impact.
Yeah... all those foreigners like Rip Hamilton, Shane Battier,...
Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosch, Laimbeer was one of the worst ever, Paul Pierce, Derek Fisher, Stockton could draw phantom charges like nobody, Chirs Paul, Reggie Miller (the original "somebody shot me behind the arc" guy), Karl Malone hit the deck far too many times for a guy his size, and so on... I guess Manu is seriously bad, though, so lets blame all the foreign guys because I don't know wtf I am talking about. Trying to fool the refs is part of every sport. Catchers frame pitches, basketball and soccer players act like they got drilled, football players try to hide holding or act like they are getting lassoed. It's the refs that need to be better, then the players won't try it.
Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosch, Laimbeer was one of the worst ever, Paul Pierce, Derek Fisher, Stockton could draw phantom charges like nobody, Chirs Paul, Reggie Miller (the original "somebody shot me behind the arc" guy), Karl Malone hit the deck far too many times for a guy his size, and so on... I guess Manu is seriously bad, though, so lets blame all the foreign guys because I don't know wtf I am talking about. Trying to fool the refs is part of every sport. Catchers frame pitches, basketball and soccer players act like they got drilled, football players try to hide holding or act like they are getting lassoed. It's the refs that need to be better, then the players won't try it.
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The reward for that flop by Fred yesterday had a huge impact.
It was a horrific call that I don't see made that often in the box. More often than not, if you're in the box it's better to try and score than put on a show. Elsewhere on the pitch it's pretty trivial actually. Even Brazil is acknowledging how terrible it was. The papers ran a photo of if with a headline of "Thank you!"
It was a horrific call that I don't see made that often in the box. More often than not, if you're in the box it's better to try and score than put on a show. Elsewhere on the pitch it's pretty trivial actually. Even Brazil is acknowledging how terrible it was. The papers ran a photo of if with a headline of "Thank you!"
The flopping is largely a response to poor officiating. Worst case, I'm in the box and fouled. I can fight through it and try to do something spectacular to score hoping that the ref will award the penalty if I don't gain an advantage or I can drop like I've been shot and have a better chance of getting the penalty recognized and a fee kick. Vicious cycle, refs miss calls, players compensate by not even trying to fight through light fouls, turns into a flopping contest...
Actually, he didn't say the foreigners were the only ones flopping...just that it didn't become an epidemic until guys like Vlade Divac and Manu Ginobili started making it a part of their everyday gameplan...and I agree with him. Not sure why that would upset you
I'm obviously furious about it.
Foreign players didn't start it. It has been in the NBA forever. Refs have simply allowed it to happen more and more and more. It has nothing to do with the influx of foreign players. Nothing at all. It's a convenient imaginary reason for someone who hates soccer, though.
Foreign players didn't start it. It has been in the NBA forever. Refs have simply allowed it to happen more and more and more. It has nothing to do with the influx of foreign players. Nothing at all. It's a convenient imaginary reason for someone who hates soccer, though.
No way Brazil gets that call if the World Cup was being played anywhere else. Usually, it takes a blatantly stupid penalty to draw a PK. And the box is about the only place on the field you see the yellow card for taking a dive on a somewhat regular basis.
Thats your opinion. I think it does. Again, nobody said foreigners were the first to do it, or the only ones to do it....simply that it didn't become as common until guys like Divac and Ginobili started doing it all the time and getting away with it most times, and even drawing a lot of phantom fouls. So not only was it somewhat introduced as an every game problem by Europeans, but it was allowed to become a league wide problem by poor officiating. Of course, it doesn't mean that it had anything to do with the players nationality....just that they probably were more accustomed to the flop bc of soccer being so big over there, so they began using it as an every game advantage earlier than a lot of the other American NBA players. It would have eventually happened either way, and the officials let it get out of hand....but those two guys that happened to be foreign, were the first to make it such a huge part of their daily strategy IMO.
But I respect your opinion.
The Euros didn't make it to the NBA in any way because of flopping...
When the NBA opened the game up to make it more free flowing and perimeter oriented, that's when the foreigners came, because that's how the game was played in Europe and the rest of the world... and that could very well be a result of taking the principles of soccer. But flopping grew in the NBA with the rule changes and poor officiating. The fact that there were more Euros in the NBA when flopping became a thing doesn't mean they brought it with them. They learned it the same way everyone else did. We just find them to be a convenient scapegoat.
When the NBA opened the game up to make it more free flowing and perimeter oriented, that's when the foreigners came, because that's how the game was played in Europe and the rest of the world... and that could very well be a result of taking the principles of soccer. But flopping grew in the NBA with the rule changes and poor officiating. The fact that there were more Euros in the NBA when flopping became a thing doesn't mean they brought it with them. They learned it the same way everyone else did. We just find them to be a convenient scapegoat.
It was not a horrific call. He definitely flopped but he was also being fouled. The pull on his shoulder from behind would've been the difference between him maintaining possession right in front of the goal and the 2nd defender winning the ball. That is a foul. Maybe it was too soft to call but there will be at least a dozen more outrageous calls made in the next month. Have y'all forgotten Koman Coulibaly?
And yes, patdog, they would get that call elsewhere. Not as often, sure, but that's the advantage of being at home.
And yes, patdog, they would get that call elsewhere. Not as often, sure, but that's the advantage of being at home.
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Additionally, there's zero reward for playing through a foul. Fred was getting fouled yesterday. If he plays through it he would not get the ball and would not get the call. So why shouldn't he fall down?
yall better be careful talking about the floppers, I got chastised by the "fubal" purists a few days ago for bringing it up on here
Again, I didn't say they "brought it to the game". Just that they were the first to use it as a major part of their individual game, which could be related to the fact that it is so much a part of soccer.
I don't think anybody is using Europeans as a "scapegoat", bc many NBA players flop....but it's hard to deny that flopping picked up significantly when a couple of European floppers started doing it religiously and gaining an advantage with it, after which many other players began taking advantage of it too, to a higher degree than normal