worst case scenerio

[coastratdog]

we win the rest of our games and go to the cotton or chik-fil-a bowl. notre dame finishes the season with a losing record and fires weiss. meyer finally says no to the irish, petereson also says he likes the blue grass in idaho. notre dame wants a fresh, young face and comes after mullen who says "thanks MSU but this is a chance in a lifetime".

shades of darrell royal all over again.

tjc

 

[coastratdog]

we win the rest of our games and go to the cotton or chik-fil-a bowl. notre dame finishes the season with a losing record and fires weiss. meyer finally says no to the irish, petereson also says he likes the blue grass in idaho. notre dame wants a fresh, young face and comes after mullen who says "thanks MSU but this is a chance in a lifetime".

shades of darrell royal all over again.

tjc

 

[bulliegolfer]

couldn't blame him. If Mullen does well here, we will hear a similar scenario every year. And one day........one will probably come true.

 

[mstatefan88]

I do think that after a few years, especially if we can continually get to middle tier bowls that someone will come get him though. Hes a great coach, a great motivator, and seems to get along well with the players, so that makes him a hot commodity. But I think for right now, he stays here.

 

[patdog]

Not that that a Cotton or a Peach Bowl would be that bad of a thing right now.

 

[Shmuley]

the 2011 class, 99% of the 2012 class, and because he's not crxxms, he will have laid some groundwork for the 2013 class.

This is exactly what I've been begging for: a head coach the big timers actually want. THANK YOU DOC FOGLESONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Stormrider81]

but these guys are smart enough to know that the Irish are never again going to be a perennial factor in the national title race. I can't see either one heading there. Since they got to the SEC, I don't think either want to leave. I think Mullen will wait for a chance at least in the South, and probably in this conference.

 

[dogfan96]

Notre Dame has had some highly ranked recruiting classes lately.. you can still get the players to South Bend and they play a pretty soft schedule some years.. if they could've found a way to beat Navy and Michigan, they would be in line for a BCS bowl.

 

[Stormrider81]

where they would get promptly killed as they have every time they've made it to a BCS bowl game.

 

[MSUCostanza]

They have had several top 15 recruiting classes. If they had a coach worth a ****, they'd be in a BCS bowl this year. They have an NFL QB and NFL WR. ND can certainly still be a factor, they just haven't hired a coach worth a **** since Holtz left. Bob Davie - great recruiter, terrible coach. Ty Willingham - ****** at both. Weis - good recruiter, horrible coach. They are going to throw the bank at Urban. There are plenty of coaches that will still jump at a chance to go there. It's harder for them than it used to be, but they still have the resources to get it done.

 

[Stormrider81]

you would notice they don't. Offensively it isn't too bad, but defensively, even with the supposedly good recruiting classes, they cannot match up. Urban Meyer and Dan Mullen (if successful here) would be stupid to go there.

 

[catvet]

A better senario would be Urban to Notre Dame and U of F comming after Mullen.

 

[dogfan96]

if they're recruiting the same guys that other top BCS programs are recruiting and getting no results from them, that screams coaching to me. They had highly rated OL classes that are juniors and seniors now and they still are only ok on the OL. Clausen, Tate, Floyd, and Rudolph could play for any team in the country. Some of their defensive guys were highly recruited as well (even though they got hurt by some signing day defections). Certainly they haven't recruited worse than teams like Navy and Michigan State.

 

[DogFan75]

Miles to Michigan-Rich gets the road map and a apple
Saban back to LSU- Terry loves Baton Rouge
Mullens Crooms Bama & Bama gets Croom
We keep Mullens for a short time.
Florida keeps the Urban and he says no to the Irish
Irish get GaTech's Johnson

Seriously if Dan gets us to Bowl this year he will get offers but I believe he stays and if wins 8 next year some large programs will come a calling.

Go Dawgs

 

[dogfan96]

as the teams at the top of the BCS standings are not as strong as in years past. But that's beside the point anyway.. if they can get through their schedule with only one loss yearly (probably to USC), they would be in the NC hunt most years on name recognition alone. So to say that they can't be relevant nationally every year is dead wrong. They could be (and probably would be) with a better coach.

 

[rebelrouseri]

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[wayneland5025]

Notre Dame is not gonna be looking at any first year head coach regardess of his record. They can get too many coaches that have built a record over a period of time as a head coach.

Mullen can look for a bigtime job if and after he has established his good record for several years.

 

[graddawg]

They have had several top 15 recruiting classes. If they had a coach worth a ****, they'd be in a BCS bowl this year. They have an NFL QB and NFL WR. ND can certainly still be a factor, they just haven't hired a coach worth a **** since Holtz left. Bob Davie - great recruiter, terrible coach. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Ty Willingham - ****** at both.</span> Weis - good recruiter, horrible coach. They are going to throw the bank at Urban. There are plenty of coaches that will still jump at a chance to go there. It's harder for them than it used to be, but they still have the resources to get it done.

I have a ND homer friend who constantly says the same thing about Willingham. Maybe you can answer a question that he can't. If Ty was such bad recruiter how did his talent carry Weis' *** to BCS Bowls his first two years? It clearly wasn't coaching.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

And yes, they do have NFL talent at those three positions, but they are lacking in many other places. I don't know if they can ever be the ND of old anymore. First, the TV contract is basically meaningless now that almost all games are on TV. So is the catholic thing, as most talented players aren't catholics. And their academics are hard for a lot of players to get in.

 

[MSUCostanza]

They have the players to be a 9-10 win team. With a top coach will come better recruiting. Anyone who says ND has no chance of being relevant again is fooling themselves out of some hatred for ND. The resources and support are still there. They are a top-5 revenue producer, still, and they don't have a conference to have to share with (yet). Everything is there, except a competent coaching staff.

 

[MSUCostanza]

was the schedule was favorable both years. Weis is 3-16 against teams with winning records. Let that sink in.

Also, any defense of Ty Willingham must be rebutted with the fact that he went 0-12 at Washington. 0-frickin-12. Sly Croom could win a game or two at Washington.

 

[dogfan96]

maybe they don't get all the super elite players (and they DO have some of those), but they certainly get better players than Purdue, UNC, Michigan State, Navy, San Diego St (who outplayed them and got jobbed by the refs)

 

[Stormrider81]

you are crazy. And it doesn't take much time spent watching ND to figure out they don't have those players, and they won't get them. They might make some BCS bowls, but they can't compete once they get there. They don't have the players. I don't care what the recruiting rankings say, they don't have the talent and it is clear.

Their coaching isn't great, but that isn't their chief problem. Their chief problem is their talent. They have enough to get bowl eligible, but they don't have 10 win talent. They have problems matching up with BC and Purdue. They can't match up with USC, even in a down year with a freshman QB. They have money and name recognition, but those things don't bring in the super talented 18 year olds anymore.

 

[dogfan96]

on their starting defensive unit:
Kapron Lewis-Moore - had offers from Michigan and Oklahoma
Ian Williams - had offers from Auburn, Clemson, Florida, and Mississippi
Ethan Johnson - had offers from Michigan, USC (the real one), Oregon
Darius Fleming - had offers from USC (again, the real one) and Michigan
Manti Teo - had offers from literally everybody in America
Robert Blanton - had offers from Cal, Michigan, Oregon, South Carolina
Gary Gray - had offers from Auburn and Tennessee

this is only a partial list.. some of their other starters were 4* players and had a bunch of BCS offers.. they're not running a bunch of stiffs out there.. they should be beating the Purdues, Navy, UNCs of the world. So unless they're just getting unlucky and ending up with all the recruiting busts, something else is going on.

 

[MSUCostanza]

the more you are just showing complete bias. You are dead wrong. See UCan'ts post. They have 4 and 5* guys all over the field.