Would this HC cut it in a P-5 league?
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I don't mind the idea...keeps the Fla pipeline open and he has gotten pretty good results. With more tools at his disposal?....hmmm....
if he was at any school not named Marshall more people would be on board.
agreed re: Fla ties. would likely keep some current staff/recruiters. namely JaJuan. maybe Lonnie.
he has 2 critical things that dana does not:
- has recruited & produced top qbs
- even though cusa, has winning head coach experience
? is could he deliver a winner in the BXII?
agreed re: Fla ties. would likely keep some current staff/recruiters. namely JaJuan. maybe Lonnie.
he has 2 critical things that dana does not:
- has recruited & produced top qbs
- even though cusa, has winning head coach experience
? is could he deliver a winner in the BXII?
I think we can do better.
Doc's done well at Marshall but I don't think the primary reason for his success would transfer to here. The primary reason is his recruiting. He has built Marshall back to where they again simply have more talent than most teams at their level.
I do think he would improve our recruiting. I don't think anyone could improve our recruiting to the point where we would have more talent than most teams at OUR level. I'm not convinced Doc is a guy who can win more often than not in the games where talent is roughly equal, which is the critical thing we need to do to succeed.
Beating the lesser teams and pulling off upsets from time to time won't get us where we want to and can be unless we win most of the "even" games.
If we could splice some of Bill Snyder's DNA into Doc, then we'd have something.
Doc's done well at Marshall but I don't think the primary reason for his success would transfer to here. The primary reason is his recruiting. He has built Marshall back to where they again simply have more talent than most teams at their level.
I do think he would improve our recruiting. I don't think anyone could improve our recruiting to the point where we would have more talent than most teams at OUR level. I'm not convinced Doc is a guy who can win more often than not in the games where talent is roughly equal, which is the critical thing we need to do to succeed.
Beating the lesser teams and pulling off upsets from time to time won't get us where we want to and can be unless we win most of the "even" games.
If we could splice some of Bill Snyder's DNA into Doc, then we'd have something.
yeah good point. I don't think he's scored many big upsets. maybe beat MD in a bowl a couple years ago. most Ws coming in league.
Tcu hasn't recruited much different than wvu has in the last four years but they have good coaching. Is doc the man who knows but he would recruit Florida well and Florida athletics are superior to Texas athletics
Doc is mostly a decent guy and a good coach with excellent recruiting acumen, but only while his head remains below the P5 level. This makes him a contemporary of Bill and Dana as they were also not ready for P5 level duty. I think they were or are good coaches, just not in the deep end of the pool.
Bad choice. He can get non-qualifiers to build his team at Mooshall, which he won't be able to do here or at any other P5 school.
I respect what Doc has done at Marshall but its Marshall.
I need to see him coaching at a P5 level school or at the very least an AAC school before I could say yes or no.
Huge difference between Conference USA and the Big12
I need to see him coaching at a P5 level school or at the very least an AAC school before I could say yes or no.
Huge difference between Conference USA and the Big12
With the right OC, absolutely. With Bill Legg? Absolutely not. No question we would take in top 25 recruiting classes annually.
jesus lol. Who do you think built Nehlens teams with guys like major Harris? Who do you think recruited geno smith and stedman Bailey? Doc Holliday. He's done it here before lol
You've got to remember Johnny's success began when C-USA turned into a glorified D-II league after realignment a few years ago. Who's he beaten besides Maryland and Purdue?
Before Marshall got desperate and gave him the job, he couldn't sniff a head coaching job in 30 years as an assistant. He actively campaigned for the WVU job twice and was shown the door in both instances. Those facts say volumes about how both the man's peers in college football and the powers that be at WVU view the man. He's a recruiter, nothing more.
Johnny the head coach at WVU? Not unless Hell freezes over.
Before Marshall got desperate and gave him the job, he couldn't sniff a head coaching job in 30 years as an assistant. He actively campaigned for the WVU job twice and was shown the door in both instances. Those facts say volumes about how both the man's peers in college football and the powers that be at WVU view the man. He's a recruiter, nothing more.
Johnny the head coach at WVU? Not unless Hell freezes over.
Holgorsen wouldn't cut it in a G5 league. All it would be is the same lack of discipline, bad play calling, terrible clock management, lack of fundamentals, and idiotic decisions, with even worse recruiting...
I think Gee will be talking to Urban Meyer and asking him the same question. Actually, Doc was doing a mediocre job at Marshall until he fired his DC and hired Chuck Heater. If Heater comes with him then methinks he would be viable.
The trolls may outnumber the 10 remaining WVU fans on our idiot board three to one, but pushing Holliday who was passed over for Bill Stewart would be a disaster.
The Big 12 doesn't allow Props. His pipeline would be severely damaged. We can do MUCH better.
Doc is better than Dana. Not saying he'd be a HOF coach at WVU but he damn sure couldn't do any worse than the status quo.
He's a fool. Anyone and everyone is a troll that doesn't favor the same opinion as his own. He's anti-free society, anti-1st Amendment.
I don't buy that Doc is better than Dana. Both times they played each other Dana kicked his ***, and yes, Cato was on those Marshall teams.
Geno Smith was the qb for WVU. WVU also had Tavon, Stedman Bailey, Bruce Irvin, etc.
And each time WVU spanked them. If we fire Dana, I'd really hope we can do better than Doc. I don't think Lyons is that dumb.
They lost to Ohio University....They have beaten absolutely NOBODY. What would Marshall do with our schedule?
I'm not sure how well Doc would do if he where to be wvu's next coach but I think with his reputation as a recruiter he would at least be able to recruit a division 1 QB
Marshall currently would have 1-2 wins, playing our schedule. They would finish with 3-4 wins...
Actually, at this point Marshall would probably have the same record we do. I hope by the end of the season we have better record than Marshall woud have which is probably 5-7.
We need to stop trying to defend our miserable performances by saying others are miserable too or would be if they played our schedule.
None of that changes what we have become.
We need to stop trying to defend our miserable performances by saying others are miserable too or would be if they played our schedule.
None of that changes what we have become.
B-I-N-G-O
Many on here deflect away. Start comparing WVU to other programs especially if so and so loses.