Would we want Mike Norvell as OC?

18IsTheMan

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It's gotten to that point where I think we have to assume an OC change is going to happen. There are no miracle runs to end this season to save everyone's job like last year. So hence random speculating about who could be our next OC.

The writing is on the wall for Norvell at FSU. He's 1-11 in the last 12 ACC games for FSU. Players were reportedly joking around in the locker room after their humiliating loss to Stanford. So he's just done there.

I think he's sufficiently damaged his reputation as HC at FSU that he's likely not fielding any compelling HC offers once he's canned there. He is still widely regarded as an offensive mind and ran high powered offenses at Arizona State for 4 years and then as HC at Memphis were he called plays. From 2012-2019, as OC at Arizona State and then as HC at Memphis, he had top 20 offenses every year except 1 and top 10 in 5 of the 8 years.

How much does the stink from FSU scare us off, though? They've been pretty awful last year and this year, and that includes offense. But there's a lot that could explain that which wouldn't have any bearing on his abilities as an OC. His track record as an OC is nearly flawless. It would obviously be a rehab stint for him, which I think is fine for us. He's still quite young at 44, so far from washed up in that respect.

Or is he just the next Tom Herman/Justin Fuente? A coach who rapidly ascends the ranks to a major P4 head coach, flames out and then you never hear from him again in any capacity?
 
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I'm not sure what happened offensively at FSU, but he has a proven record of producing top level offenses.
Not sure what the impact would be on his huge buyout by taking another position.
''If Norvell were to be fired on October 19, 2025, he would be owed about $55,333,000. He would have $1,987,000 remaining this season (year six of the contract), followed by a sum of $53,346,000 from years seven to 12 (85% of future years).''

I've been impressed with Buster Faulkner at GT as his offensives are very creative and tough to defend which is the opposite of our current OC.
 

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I'm not sure what happened offensively at FSU, but he has a proven record of producing top level offenses.
Not sure what the impact would be on his huge buyout by taking another position.
''If Norvell were to be fired on October 19, 2025, he would be owed about $55,333,000. He would have $1,987,000 remaining this season (year six of the contract), followed by a sum of $53,346,000 from years seven to 12 (85% of future years).''

I've been impressed with Buster Faulkner at GT as his offensives are very creative and tough to defend which is the opposite of our current OC.

Haven't followed GT at all, so not familiar with Faulkner. I'm sure there are a number of OCs like that who would be a sensible hires for us. Thus far, though, Beamer has seemingly intentionally pursued the head-scratching hire for OC.
 

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Here's a very interesting article and potential list, which does include Faulkner.
Drew Cronic at Navy is an intriguing option with the run game innovations and would probably be likely to accept given his previous stay at Lenoir-Rhyne.

Ranking the top 10 offensive coordinators in college football - On3
Reading that, I would say Faulkner is a long shot.

Interesting note about Spavital at Baylor: "The Bears didn’t have the best offensive line, but Spavital has proven through the years that he doesn’t need a great line to run a successful offense." So you're telling me it's possible for an OC to make adjustment to account for a weak OL? Granted, ours is not just week, it's awful, but I would think a solid OC would have been able to make some adjustments to offset it a bit. Our offense has been totally shut down by it.
 
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Are you kidding? I can absolutely see Shane doubling down on Shula.

I mean, I can see it, but I just don't see it. If that makes sense. I think he WANTS to keep Shula, but I think the offense is just so so bad, that he's not gonna have a choice. Since the bowl game, our offense has averaged 15.4 ppg. THAT is pitiful. Bad OL or not, I just don't see any way around it for Beamer. He got away with bringing Teasley back since it's not as high profile of a position. There's just way too much visibility for the OC. And we have a new AD who I don't think will let it happen. 15.4 ppg is criminal.
 

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I don’t know who the next OC should be. Don’t pay much attention to it because I don’t believe the OC position will open up.
 

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I'm not sure what happened offensively at FSU, but he has a proven record of producing top level offenses.
Not sure what the impact would be on his huge buyout by taking another position.
''If Norvell were to be fired on October 19, 2025, he would be owed about $55,333,000. He would have $1,987,000 remaining this season (year six of the contract), followed by a sum of $53,346,000 from years seven to 12 (85% of future years).''

I've been impressed with Buster Faulkner at GT as his offensives are very creative and tough to defend which is the opposite of our current OC.
Faulkner is great but I think he will stick with Key. Key is being talked about for some openings at bigger programs and he would likely take Faulkner with him.
 

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Faulkner is great but I think he will stick with Key. Key is being talked about for some openings at bigger programs and he would likely take Faulkner with him.
And Faulkner is generating enough potential HC buzz on his own apparently. And he's making $1.5 million as it is. We could raise him some, but probably not enough to move the needle.
 

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I mean, I can see it, but I just don't see it. If that makes sense. I think he WANTS to keep Shula, but I think the offense is just so so bad, that he's not gonna have a choice. Since the bowl game, our offense has averaged 15.4 ppg. THAT is pitiful. Bad OL or not, I just don't see any way around it for Beamer. He got away with bringing Teasley back since it's not as high profile of a position. There's just way too much visibility for the OC. And we have a new AD who I don't think will let it happen. 15.4 ppg is criminal.
As I've said before, emotions hindering a coach from making necessary changes is a negative trait.
 

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And Faulkner is generating enough potential HC buzz on his own apparently. And he's making $1.5 million as it is. We could raise him some, but probably not enough to move the needle.
If Kirby is smart, he'll fire Bobo after the season and open the checkbook for Faulkner.
 

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If Kirby is smart, he'll fire Bobo after the season and open the checkbook for Faulkner.
UGA will do what they need to do. Will we?

I think Norvell is a compelling case. He's obviously seen as damaged goods. Doubt he gets HC offers when he's let go. Prior to FSU, he was an established offensive mind. I think he would be attainable.

I don't think Beamer has the weight to attract much OC talent, but maybe Norvell takes the job to rehab his coaching career. I'm just not sure if even he would be able to bring himself to work under Beamer. To be brutally honest, I'm just not sure how many assistants in college football see him as a serious head coach.
 

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Assuming that Beamer is back next year and Air Noland is our QB, I think he has to make a change at OC. Also, Elliott will have to work hard in the portal and on the recruiting trail to get more talent and depth on the OL. Otherwise I'm afraid '26 will be Coach Beamer's last season.
 

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Assuming that Beamer is back next year and Air Noland is our QB, I think he has to make a change at OC. Also, Elliott will have to work hard in the portal and on the recruiting trail to get more talent and depth on the OL. Otherwise I'm afraid '26 will be Coach Beamer's last season.

I can't imagine a scenario where Noland returns to this crap show.
 

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Are you kidding? I can absolutely see Shane doubling down on Shula.

I mean, I can see it, but I just don't see it. If that makes sense. I think he WANTS to keep Shula, but I think the offense is just so so bad, that he's not gonna have a choice. Since the bowl game, our offense has averaged 15.4 ppg. THAT is pitiful. Bad OL or not, I just don't see any way around it for Beamer. He got away with bringing Teasley back since it's not as high profile of a position. There's just way too much visibility for the OC. And we have a new AD who I don't think will let it happen. 15.4 ppg is criminal.

I'll be shocked if Shula isn't here for '26. I definitely don't think he should be, but I bet he is.
 
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UGA will do what they need to do. Will we?

I think Norvell is a compelling case. He's obviously seen as damaged goods. Doubt he gets HC offers when he's let go. Prior to FSU, he was an established offensive mind. I think he would be attainable.

I don't think Beamer has the weight to attract much OC talent, but maybe Norvell takes the job to rehab his coaching career. I'm just not sure if even he would be able to bring himself to work under Beamer. To be brutally honest, I'm just not sure how many assistants in college football see him as a serious head coach.
Norvell is set for life (and many subsequent generations are set for life because of him) financially, so if he takes any job it will be because he wants to rehab his image as a coach and work his way back into a head coaching job. I'm not sure he would view the OC job at SC as a good place to do those things. SC is perpetually under talented, has to play in the SEC and plays second fiddle in its own state to another P4 program. Also, I don't think he would want to hitch his wagon to Beamer.

I think the best option for finding an OC is a G5 or FCS OC who wants to mover up and make a name for himself in P4.
 

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I did not see the OU game, but I've seen the clips. Aside from the damning ppg number is the absolutely futility of Shula's play calling. I cannot imagine the emotions I would have had watching those runs up the middle that had a 0.00% chance of success.

It's game 7. We. Can't. Run. The. Ball. That. Way.

ADAPT. Quit calling things that are absolutely guaranteed not to work.
 

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I did not see the OU game, but I've seen the clips. Aside from the damning ppg number is the absolutely futility of Shula's play calling. I cannot imagine the emotions I would have had watching those runs up the middle that had a 0.00% chance of success.

It's game 7. We. Can't. Run. The. Ball. That. Way.

ADAPT. Quit calling things that are absolutely guaranteed not to work.
Get out of here with logic and reason! 😁 :cry::LOL:
 

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Get out of here with logic and reason! 😁 :cry::LOL:

Watching our offense is a bit like the scene from "Die Hard" where the local police are planning to retake the building. The black police dude tells Bruce Willis' character about the FBI "They've got the terrorist playbook and they're running it, step by step." It predictably blows up in their faces. Also reminds me of Ron Burgundy reading off the teleprompter in "Anchorman."

We are simply sticking to the script, no matter the results. Period.
 

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UGA will do what they need to do. Will we?

I think Norvell is a compelling case. He's obviously seen as damaged goods. Doubt he gets HC offers when he's let go. Prior to FSU, he was an established offensive mind. I think he would be attainable.

I don't think Beamer has the weight to attract much OC talent, but maybe Norvell takes the job to rehab his coaching career. I'm just not sure if even he would be able to bring himself to work under Beamer. To be brutally honest, I'm just not sure how many assistants in college football see him as a serious head coach.
Rehabing a career under Saban is one thing. UNDER Beamer is another thing entirely.
 

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I don’t understand the logic in firing a coach to hire other coaches (Franklin/Norvell) who just got fired. Head coach I’m still on the fence about. I do like the way the players talk about him and his youth/energy/pedigree,but the overall discipline combined with reckless/predictable decision making at times is hard to justify. I’m just calling it like I see it. Shula seems like he simplifies the offense to “cater to the college aged ability”. It lacks creativity, and having worked with NFL players, maybe he feels like he can’t break things open. We need a wide open play caller with balls.
 

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I don’t understand the logic in firing a coach to hire other coaches (Franklin/Norvell) who just got fired. Head coach I’m still on the fence about. I do like the way the players talk about him and his youth/energy/pedigree,but the overall discipline combined with reckless/predictable decision making at times is hard to justify. I’m just calling it like I see it. Shula seems like he simplifies the offense to “cater to the college aged ability”. It lacks creativity, and having worked with NFL players, maybe he feels like he can’t break things open. We need a wide open play caller with balls.
I'm not suggesting firing Beamer to get Norvell. Asking about bringing him as OC.

Regarding Franklin, context matters. WHY was he fired from PSU? Because he didn't win a title. He still won a ton of games. He was not fired b/c he's a bad coach.