go 10-2 (Capital One/Cotton bowl appearance) this season but one of those losses had to be against Bucky's bunch or 9-3/8-4 (Chick Fil-A, Gator bowl appearance) with one of the wins another absolute beat down of those boys to our north? I ask because when that question popped into my head I could not immediately answer one way or the other. I purposely kept the high end below a BCS level bowl because I think most everybody would trade that loss for a trip to the Sugar bowl but if not...
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If you really love MSU you can never want to lose to them, EVER. Beat THEM every single time. There is method to that too. The only way for either them or us to ever have a sustained run of good/great teams is to consistantly beat the other.
This would mean we go into the Egg Bowl at 10-1, with a W over Bama or LSU and a
BCS appearance on the line. Losing that game would be miz, but win or lose, that is a level that our program has NEVER been to. And yet you'd rather lose a couple more along the way if it ensured we beat Ole Miss? You've got to be kidding me
BCS appearance on the line. Losing that game would be miz, but win or lose, that is a level that our program has NEVER been to. And yet you'd rather lose a couple more along the way if it ensured we beat Ole Miss? You've got to be kidding me
Gonna have to say 9-3 with Egg Bowl win. Reason? 10-2 is awesome but it'd mean a loss in the last game of the season to the school we've been making fun of for 4 straight years and most likely an *** whipping waiting on us in whatever bowl that is? Cotton Bowl I think. 9-3 is an extra loss but it means we continue our dominance of Mississippi and we have a much better shot of winning the bowl game. I'm all about winning the Egg Bowl and Bowl game. It makes the next 6 months of no football much more satisfying to get through. Had you said 8-4 or 10-2 I'd go with the egg bowl loss everytime.
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Not necessarily about hating UM.
To be good for a sustained stretch, we need to dominate the state. Let's say we've been playing possum and that everybody else is essentially what they look like (i.e., UT is a paper tiger, A&M decent but not great, UK, UM, and Arkansas suck). We beat everybody we're supposed to beat and LSU craps the bed against us, even though they're more talented. We're 10-1, but our talent is not exactly at a place it's never been before, we've just gotten luck. And then Ole Miss beats us. I'd take that as a bad sign that Bucky can compete with Mullen with inferior talent, and a good stepping stone for him to start rebuilding.
On the other hand, say we compete in every game, but get out-competed by Bama and LSU and lose a toss up to A&M, UT, or Ark, and then demolish UM in the egg bowl.
I'd still prefer the first situation, but I'm not sure I'd feel better about where the program was headed in the first scenario as opposed to the second scenario.
To be good for a sustained stretch, we need to dominate the state. Let's say we've been playing possum and that everybody else is essentially what they look like (i.e., UT is a paper tiger, A&M decent but not great, UK, UM, and Arkansas suck). We beat everybody we're supposed to beat and LSU craps the bed against us, even though they're more talented. We're 10-1, but our talent is not exactly at a place it's never been before, we've just gotten luck. And then Ole Miss beats us. I'd take that as a bad sign that Bucky can compete with Mullen with inferior talent, and a good stepping stone for him to start rebuilding.
On the other hand, say we compete in every game, but get out-competed by Bama and LSU and lose a toss up to A&M, UT, or Ark, and then demolish UM in the egg bowl.
I'd still prefer the first situation, but I'm not sure I'd feel better about where the program was headed in the first scenario as opposed to the second scenario.
i gotta go with 9-3
it seems crazy, but if it's only a one loss difference and we still have one of our best years ever then i need to beat um. i'm not sure i can handle having that type of year and losing to them. they'd love that more than anything.
if it came right down to it i might change my mind. but who knows. let's just go 10-2 and beat them. i'd prefer that scenario.
it seems crazy, but if it's only a one loss difference and we still have one of our best years ever then i need to beat um. i'm not sure i can handle having that type of year and losing to them. they'd love that more than anything.
if it came right down to it i might change my mind. but who knows. let's just go 10-2 and beat them. i'd prefer that scenario.
I want the better record and the better bowl game every single time. Any other answer is just childish and ridiculous.
Yes, without a doubt. One, if we lose to UM we ain't in the BCS, period. Two, lose to UM and the bowls he mentioned probably don't take us, even at 10-2. Three, it would be a huge hit to in-state recruiting. Four (and THE reason really) we would never hear the end of it, ever.
I would take 10-2 with a loss to Bucky if we could still somehow get into a BCS game. Outside of that there isn't a significant enough difference in the bowl slotting to be worth enduring a loss to the Bears.
You are dead wrong.
The best way for the SEC to leave the both of us in their dust is for us to be overly concerned with other as our litmus test for success. Guess what. It happened several decades ago and both of our programs have been left behind because of it. We turned our rivalry into a cripple fight and forgot to keep up with what matters most - winning. Beating your rival is important, but where does it get you if you are hyper-focused on beating up a midget?
The best way for the SEC to leave the both of us in their dust is for us to be overly concerned with other as our litmus test for success. Guess what. It happened several decades ago and both of our programs have been left behind because of it. We turned our rivalry into a cripple fight and forgot to keep up with what matters most - winning. Beating your rival is important, but where does it get you if you are hyper-focused on beating up a midget?
Like it or not they will always be the FIRST litmus test, just like we are theirs. If you ignore that you ignore reality. That's not to say they should be the biggest or the only marker. But you have to start somewhere and they are it, for reasons of geography if nothing else. What does it say about you if you get beaten up by a midget?
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At this point in time, if we aren't contending for the BCS, we need to be building our program. To beat Ole Miss one more time (and almost assuring we win the 5th straight in Starkville) would cement ourselves as the program in Mississippi. But you also have to think 9-3 vs. 10-2 is like beating Ole Miss but losing to Alabama, LSU and Texas A&M and 10-2 is beating LSU and Texas A&M. Or maybe Alabama.
Upon weighing the options, I think it's more important to continue domination over Ole Miss. The primary recruiting area we must win EVERY YEAR (or at least hold our own and get our share) is Mississippi, and they are our main competition there.
At this point in time, if we aren't contending for the BCS, we need to be building our program. To beat Ole Miss one more time (and almost assuring we win the 5th straight in Starkville) would cement ourselves as the program in Mississippi. But you also have to think 9-3 vs. 10-2 is like beating Ole Miss but losing to Alabama, LSU and Texas A&M and 10-2 is beating LSU and Texas A&M. Or maybe Alabama.
Upon weighing the options, I think it's more important to continue domination over Ole Miss. The primary recruiting area we must win EVERY YEAR (or at least hold our own and get our share) is Mississippi, and they are our main competition there.
And it's thinking like this that has kept us both in the SEC's cellar
Too many folks saying "Oh, well Ole Miss sucks too", and "well, at least we beat Ole Miss". The same things are said on the other side and nobody looks at the direction of their program past the next November. Never mind we both are historical cellar dwellers. The key to success is clearly beating Ole Miss!!
Too many folks saying "Oh, well Ole Miss sucks too", and "well, at least we beat Ole Miss". The same things are said on the other side and nobody looks at the direction of their program past the next November. Never mind we both are historical cellar dwellers. The key to success is clearly beating Ole Miss!!
Not a single one of the reasons you gave are a given other than the **** they would talk. It's fine, you hate OM more than you love MSU. That's just how you are. I think that's a horrible way to view things, but to each their own.
I've said it before, but we have some of the dumbest fans in the country. There will always be upsets in a big rivalry game. The way to dominate your rival is to be better than them, which isn't necessarily the same thing as winning the Egg Bowl that season.
or perhaps people that say 10-2 are simply capable of having rational thoughts
nah, couldn't be that
nah, couldn't be that
I would want to beat OM. Just as someone mentioned, we would never hear the end of it from them. Just like they can't stand to hear about us beating them in 2009, even though they went on to win the Cotton Bowl that year.
I live in Memphis, where there are no Ole Miss fans; grew up around Jackson,
where there are no Ole Miss fans; get out as much as any other message board hero; and realize that the understanding the dynamics of MS recruiting has netted in a grand total of 0 SEC championships since 1963.
where there are no Ole Miss fans; get out as much as any other message board hero; and realize that the understanding the dynamics of MS recruiting has netted in a grand total of 0 SEC championships since 1963.
No, people who think every person who disagrees with them is a moron are 17ing morons. It's a nuanced question, something I'm sure you'll have to google to define.
Here's the deal. You can't build a REGIONAL or NATIONAL power without first building an IN-STATE power. The win over LSU (let's say) would be more satisfying than the win against Ole Miss in the short term, but having a 5 game winning streak against Ole Miss is probably a better investment toward being the pre-eminent team in our state, boosting our in-state (and out of state) recruiting, and making the road to victories over LSU & Bama in the future easier.
Keeping Ole Miss down helps us. Ask Arkansas or LSU how'd they feel about Arky State or ULM joining the SEC and you'll realize that sharing a state with a conference foe is a huge disadvantage which makes dominating them for consecutive periods that much more important.
It's no coincidence that FSU's rise back into rarified air is coming off their two straight wins over Florida and snapping the Gator's 6 year strangle hold on that rivalry.
So you enjoy them talking **** to you do you now boyo? That's interesting. To me loving MSU athletics involves a healthy dislike of UM by definition. Beating them is a pre-condition fir the stuff you profess to want. 95% of the time if they beat us they are going to a better bowl than we are or we are sitting home. To ignore that is ignoring reality.
No, I simply recognize that trash talking is not the same as success
I would rather elevate our program to a height it has never been to than worry about what fans of another school think or have to say. If we go 10-2 and lose to them, they can talk their **** until the cows come home, and guess what? It's not going to bother me. We would have just gone 10-2. When was the last time Ole Miss won 10 games in the regular season? Have they ever? How about that for **** talking?
You're thought processes do not make sense to me, but as I said before, to each their own.
I would rather elevate our program to a height it has never been to than worry about what fans of another school think or have to say. If we go 10-2 and lose to them, they can talk their **** until the cows come home, and guess what? It's not going to bother me. We would have just gone 10-2. When was the last time Ole Miss won 10 games in the regular season? Have they ever? How about that for **** talking?
You're thought processes do not make sense to me, but as I said before, to each their own.
If we go 10-2, I'll have a real good way to shut them up if they try to talk any ****.
If we have a better record than them, we will go to a better bowl than them. No matter who won the Egg Bowl. How did our better bowl than the Cotton Bowl in 2009 work out for us?
If we have a better record than them, we will go to a better bowl than them. No matter who won the Egg Bowl. How did our better bowl than the Cotton Bowl in 2009 work out for us?
I would take 9-3. I never want to lose for the bears. Win the Egg Bowl and go into the bowl game with momentum.
But this obviously isn't one of those times in the 95%. Also.. that is not nearly the same as saying we enjoy hearing the waves of **** talking. It's just accepting the fact that we're still moving forward at a better rate regardless if they beat us or not given that situation. Yeah, beating them will help our recruiting, but you can't tell me that a 10-2 season will be lost on recruits just because we lost to Ole Miss. That's ridiculous.
Good post, Cookie.....
....however, things can change in an instant. Auburn won 6 in a row, Alabama got desperate and hired the best coach in the country who had made them pay.
But in Ole Miss' situation, yeah, beating them right now is more important.
....however, things can change in an instant. Auburn won 6 in a row, Alabama got desperate and hired the best coach in the country who had made them pay.
But in Ole Miss' situation, yeah, beating them right now is more important.
Exactly, thanks...
Did we ever beat them 4 times or even 3 times in a row during that stretch? When they were on top in the 50s and 60s and winning the SEC a few times how many years did we go without beating them? Look up the answer since you obviously let it slip your mind. Dominating in-state is an absolute precondition to getting where you an I both want MSU to be. Mississipp will always be our base and there aren't enough recuits here to split them much and still win big.
There is nothing nuanced about picking between the best regular season
in either school's history and giving that up so you can talk crap to some dumb redneck on Sunday mornings who isn't going to concede that your program is better in the first place.
Some of you folks are way over-thinking things. The choice is the best regular season ever or solid season with a W over Ole Miss. We've had several instances of the latter and will have several more. There is nothing rational about choosing not to have the winningest season in school history. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero.
The "I think we should lose, so we can win", or better yet, "I think we should give up our best season ever, so we can win" assertion is irrational and I still hold that anyone that supports it is a 17ing moron.
in either school's history and giving that up so you can talk crap to some dumb redneck on Sunday mornings who isn't going to concede that your program is better in the first place.
Some of you folks are way over-thinking things. The choice is the best regular season ever or solid season with a W over Ole Miss. We've had several instances of the latter and will have several more. There is nothing rational about choosing not to have the winningest season in school history. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero.
The "I think we should lose, so we can win", or better yet, "I think we should give up our best season ever, so we can win" assertion is irrational and I still hold that anyone that supports it is a 17ing moron.
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