Would you want to fire a coach who lets say...

[dawgstudent]

went 125-75 with 2 NCAA, 2 NIT appearances in his first 6 years?

Let's say Stansbury left after 2005. This would have been coming off Stansbury's 4 straight tourney appearances. Thinking of the Miami coach's credentials made me think about this.

 

[MemphisMaroonClubDog]

nm

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I have noticed the guy doesn't seem to have learned anything new or done anything remarkable. He's going to be doing the same thing for the next ten years if he sticks around that long. You'll see the same lack of conditioning. The same boneheaded set plays coming out of times-out. The same transferring.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....nobody was calling for Stansbury to be fired at that point. It's been the last 6 years that has changed people's perceptions of him.

 

[dawgstudent]

would you fire a coach was 125-75 in their first 6 years with 2 NCAA and 2 NIT coming off Stansbury's 4 straight NCAA Tourney appearances? I am just speaking hypothetically if Stansbury got hired away after 2005.

 

[Johnson85]

But basically, it would depend on trajectory. Ifit appeared the team was well coached and well disciplined and getting better, no.And I thinkI'd be moretolerant of a coach that was a good coach but poor recruiter.At least then if you have talent fall into your lap (or go hire a good recruiter), you have to tools to go do something.With what I see right now, I would lean towards firing. Were it not for what stansbury did earlier, I think he'd likely be fired unless the recruiting class saved him.

 

[Hanmudog]

But basically, it would depend on trajectory. Ifit appeared the team was well coached and well disciplined and getting better, no.And I thinkI'd be moretolerant of a coach that was a good coach but poor recruiter.At least then if you have talent fall into your lap (or go hire a good recruiter), you have to tools to go do something.With what I see right now, I would lean towards firing. Were it not for what stansbury did earlier, I think he'd likely be fired unless the recruiting class saved him.

You would be more tolerant of a good coach but a poor recruiter? Personally I just want to win and you can't win without talent. Even idiots like Gottfried, DaleBrown,and John Brady looked like geniuses when they recruited some good players. Waiting around for talent to fall in your lap is not a good idea. There have been alot of good X and O guys comeand go inthe SEC that just could not get the talent.

 

[Coach34]

Would you rather have Williams or Brady, who will have a team that is pretty well-coached and plays hard every season- and when he does get the talent it will be a season to remember?

OR

Would rather have The Recruiter, who gets better talent in year in and year out, makes you more consistent, but gives youlittle chance of having a special season?

Just depends what you want- We know with The Recruiter we wont have a losing season, but we also know we have no chance of making a Sweet 16 and having a really special season. Kinda disheartening knowing what your ceiling is before you even start

 

[Brutius]

even though I post about it 1/1000 as much as you do.<div>
</div><div>But did you really just say a team coached by Richard Williams would be well coached? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE thank you for the laugh my Monday needed that.</div>

 

[Johnson85]

So would you be more optimistic with a good coach that has overachieved with mediocre talent, or with a coach that has underachieved with good talent. Even if you're not more optimistic that a good coach can learn recruiting, I personally enjoy watching well coachedbasketball teams and would rather watch us overachieve than underachieve relevant to our talent level.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....is your sample size big enough to make an educated decision?

For us, it's a pretty steep downward trend, and there is a very large sample size. We know what we are going to get.

 

[Original48]

*Reginald Delk 4 stars SG Jackson, TN
North Side 6'4" 170 4 stars 9/21/04 25 73 9/4/04
*Richard Delk 4 stars PG Jackson, TN
North Side 6'5" 175 4 stars 9/21/04 13 86 9/4/04
*Vernon Goodridge 4 stars C Philadelphia, PA
Lutheran Christian Academy 6'9" 215 4 stars 11/9/04 4 52
*Jamont Gordon 5 stars SG Nashville, TN
Oak Hill Academy 6'3" 225 5 stars 5.9 4/10/05 4 videos 6 16 4/9/05
*Bernard Rimmer 3 stars PF North Bridgton, ME
Bridgton Academy 6'7" 200 3 stars

*credit to StateUofMS for digging this up

 

[Hanmudog]

*Reginald Delk 4 stars SG Jackson, TN
North Side 6'4" 170 4 stars 9/21/04 25 73 9/4/04
*Richard Delk 4 stars PG Jackson, TN
North Side 6'5" 175 4 stars 9/21/04 13 86 9/4/04
*Vernon Goodridge 4 stars C Philadelphia, PA
Lutheran Christian Academy 6'9" 215 4 stars 11/9/04 4 52
*Jamont Gordon 5 stars SG Nashville, TN
Oak Hill Academy 6'3" 225 5 stars 5.9 4/10/05 4 videos 6 16 4/9/05
*Bernard Rimmer 3 stars PF North Bridgton, ME
Bridgton Academy 6'7" 200 3 stars

*credit to StateUofMS for digging this up

Let's see. Jamont Gordon was a damn good player for three years at MSU while the other guys.............I can't seem to remember how well their new coaches "developed" them because they were never heard from again.

I am not defending Stansbury here because I do think Jamont could have been so much better and losing Hansbrough was probably the biggest loss of the Stans era butusing thosefour guyswas not a very good argument

 

[BiscuitEater]

Would you rather have Williams or Brady, who will have a team that is pretty well-coached and plays hard every season- and when he does get the talent it will be a season to remember?

Wasn't it the 'recruiter' that was doing the heavy liftingrecruiting for Williams? Without Stans Williams 'later' years would look exactly like his 'early' years.

Biscuit

 

[Original48]

*Reginald Delk 4 stars SG Jackson, TN
North Side 6'4" 170 4 stars 9/21/04 25 73 9/4/04
*Richard Delk 4 stars PG Jackson, TN
North Side 6'5" 175 4 stars 9/21/04 13 86 9/4/04
*Vernon Goodridge 4 stars C Philadelphia, PA
Lutheran Christian Academy 6'9" 215 4 stars 11/9/04 4 52
*Jamont Gordon 5 stars SG Nashville, TN
Oak Hill Academy 6'3" 225 5 stars 5.9 4/10/05 4 videos 6 16 4/9/05
*Bernard Rimmer 3 stars PF North Bridgton, ME
Bridgton Academy 6'7" 200 3 stars

*credit to StateUofMS for digging this up

Let's see. Jamont Gordon was a damn good player for three years at MSU while the other guys.............I can't seem to remember how well their new coaches "developed" them because they were never heard from again.

...along with not coaching offense Stansbury may not be "The Recruiter" either.

 

[Coach34]

Would you rather have Williams or Brady, who will have a team that is pretty well-coached and plays hard every season- and when he does get the talent it will be a season to remember?

Wasn't it the 'recruiter' that was doing the heavy liftingrecruiting for Williams? Without Stans Williams 'later' years would look exactly like his 'early' years.

Biscuit

Williams won an SEC title without The Recruiter on staff

And thats what a good coach needs- coaches that can recruit. Good coaches have good coaching staffs- its not all about one guy. Hell, look no further than Anthony Grant and Shaka Smart coming from Billy Donovan's staff the last few years. Hell, Brady got hired away from Williams staff to be a HC and ended up in a FF years later. - who has been hired away from The Recruiter's staff in 13 years to be a HC?

 

[mstateglfr]

But if that is for a coach who has been at the program for 6 previous years, who at that point had 15 years of recruiting contacts, had everyone on the team that he wanted(no previous coach's players), and had just come off back to back NCAA tournament appearances and an overall SEC title?

Well, thats a different story.

 

[o_riverdawg]

From the MSU athletic website
"Having originally joined the Mississippi State family as an assistant coach on June 12, 1990, Stansbury immediately helped direct a senior-laden 1990-91 Bulldog ballclub to both the school's first Southeastern Conference basketball title and subsequent NCAA Tournament appearance in 28 years with a 20-9 overall record and 13-5 SEC mark."
Not only do you continue to beat the Stansbury dead horse time after time, you continue to do it with incorrect facts. With as much time as you spend on the internet, you'd think you could do some fact checking first.

 

[Coach34]

point remains though that he didnt recruit the guys that made that team successful