Wow...Boston College follows through and fires their coach...
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Anyone think they have trouble finding a quality replacement? Or did they cover themselves and promote from within?
I had heard that Jags was looking for anyway out anyways, that he was even open to an OC job in the NFL.
I had heard that Jags was looking for anyway out anyways, that he was even open to an OC job in the NFL.
dawgstudent said:
There has to be some background circumstances to this. Even if the AD was caught off-guard by the Jets interview, if you as AD was
convinced your coach was the man to lead your school's football program, problems can be ironed out. It sounds like someone settled
a score.
If you make a ballsy statement like that...how do you back out? Not saying it was the professional thing to do, but damn..you gotta follow through.
I agree with others that this **** has probably been going on for a while.
I agree with others that this **** has probably been going on for a while.
from Cowherd; Jagz violated a clause in his contract by even interviewing. it was something along the lines of: 'if he interviewed with anyone prior to 3 years after taking the BC job, they would be grounds for immediate termination'.
i still feel that he wanted out of there for some reason. i dont wanna wager on what it is/may be, but i dont think he was happy there...
i still feel that he wanted out of there for some reason. i dont wanna wager on what it is/may be, but i dont think he was happy there...
BC is going to have a pretty tough time explaining to any potential new coach why they fired a man for looking for a better job. Because any coach worth a **** isn't going to be looking to end his career at Boston College. I sure as hell hope we don't fire Dan Mullen when he interviews with the Jets.
patdog said:
I believe that I saw on ESPN that Steve Logan, the OC at BC was going to take over if Jagodzinski got fired, so I'm thinking that there has been some bad blood and some under the table workings to announce who the replacement was going to be before the guy even interviewed.
a couple of days ago that said Jagodzinski and the AD had a good frienship. Then the AD got a call Saturday morning from a reporter at the globe or a paper in New York. The reporter wanted his opionion of Jagodzinksi name being in the mix to be interviewed for the Jets job obviously thinking he knew about it. Well come to find out it was news to him. Cue the **** storm.
The man had only been on the job for I think two seasons, I don't see how the school can be villainized for asking for a 3 year commitment from the Coach. If this clause is in his contract and he signed the contract, he deserves to be canned. Why does everyone thing a Coach can jump ship whenever a better offer comes along, but hey, if you don't give a coach a couple of years than hey, you're a bad school. Heck we were afraid of repercussions for firing Croom after 5 seasons.TheHorrorTheHorror said:
He (the AD) holds the key to the kingdom, not the Head FB coach. Fear not, there'll be plenty of good coaches who will want the BC job.
Byrne appears to be cut from the same cloth.
Byrne appears to be cut from the same cloth.
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several observations:
1. the contract surely had provisions for liquidated damages if the coach interviewed or left early, so why no news about that [or did I miss any coverage about same]?
2. why are they so insecure that they don't want a coach even interviewing? if the contract is written correctly [see liquidated damages referenced above] there is no harm resulting from a mere interview.
3. suppose the new coach with a new 5 year deal demonstrates that he is an extreme idiot [reference Coach O] during the preseason of his first year; so do they give the clown the entire 5 years of disaster based on their "loyalty" principles?
edited to add:
on the way to work heard Bo Bounds show say the coach didn't violate any part of his contract and BC will have to pay him because THEY breached the contract. the AD claims he had permission to fire him. with that info, what a boneheaded decision.
1. the contract surely had provisions for liquidated damages if the coach interviewed or left early, so why no news about that [or did I miss any coverage about same]?
2. why are they so insecure that they don't want a coach even interviewing? if the contract is written correctly [see liquidated damages referenced above] there is no harm resulting from a mere interview.
3. suppose the new coach with a new 5 year deal demonstrates that he is an extreme idiot [reference Coach O] during the preseason of his first year; so do they give the clown the entire 5 years of disaster based on their "loyalty" principles?
edited to add:
on the way to work heard Bo Bounds show say the coach didn't violate any part of his contract and BC will have to pay him because THEY breached the contract. the AD claims he had permission to fire him. with that info, what a boneheaded decision.
...he painted himself into a corner with his public comment that the coach would be fired if he violated the terms of his contract and interviewed. Had he not fired him, he would have had no credibility.dawgstudent said:
At any school with a football team worth a damn, the football coach is the king in the athletic department. I'm sure there will be plenty of great football coaches who will be beating down their door to coach as a place that's going to shitcan you for trying to move up (and no good coach is ever going to want to end his career at Boston freaking College). That's why their most likely replacement is a guy who got his *** fired at East Carolina.Eureka Dog said:
The exception to the rule is that at places like Kentucky and North Carolina, the basketball coach will be king no matter how good the football team is, as Bear Bryant found out when both he and Adolf Rupp won conference titles at Kentucky and they gave Bryant a watch and gave Rupp a Cadillac back in the 50s.
or even coming back with "we had a heart to heart, and he assured me he wants nothing more to be at Boston College for the foreseeable future, and I accept his word"
Who will want to work under those circumstances now?
Who will want to work under those circumstances now?
...he should never have said it in the first place. The comment painted him into a corner. However, contracts with both coaches and professional football, basketball and baseball players have become jokes. Maybe this guy decided to actually enforce a contract. One thing for sure, the next coach will read the fine print.Optimus Prime 4 said:
that. he knew what he was doing, as long he realized what his contract said. i wasnt trying to side with the school or the coach... if he wanted out, what better way than for them to make him leave? makes him look "better"...?
as for the croom thing, i agree with you on the fear of backlash. but that came with the territory of being the first SEC school to hire a minority coach. that just means that you're more likely to be the first to let them go...
these things are the fault of the system. not the coaches, or the schools. its in the contracts. if they dont want them to leave, they need to be more specific in the contracts when signing them.
there are already buyouts, why not go a little deeper? it would be like reverse performance clauses: "if you go here, you owe us $X,XXX,XXX"
as for the croom thing, i agree with you on the fear of backlash. but that came with the territory of being the first SEC school to hire a minority coach. that just means that you're more likely to be the first to let them go...
these things are the fault of the system. not the coaches, or the schools. its in the contracts. if they dont want them to leave, they need to be more specific in the contracts when signing them.
there are already buyouts, why not go a little deeper? it would be like reverse performance clauses: "if you go here, you owe us $X,XXX,XXX"
MSU or BC ? How'd MSU's search for a coach go? If you believe the national pundits, Byrne has outdone (so far) every other AD looking for a head FB coach.
Head FB coaches do hold a tremendous amount of power in the Ath. Dept's across the land, but if you consider how quickly AD's are (now, opposed to the past) pulling the trigger on "non-excelling" coaches, you'll notice a shift in how secure that HC slot truly is/isn't. Large buyout clauses just aren't as effective as they once were. Just look at the coaches who have been forced out recently: Fulmer, Tuberville, Nutt, BC's coach. Heck, ND considered telling Weiss (he of the 10 year contract) to hit the road after getting rid of Willingham who wasn't living up to their standards. Nobody will blink an eye if LSU tells Miles to take the next pirogue to the swamps if the Tigers go 7-5 and under .500 next season.
The FB head coaches may seemingly hold all of the power, but the AD's (and the big boy boosters) are the puppetmasters.
Head FB coaches do hold a tremendous amount of power in the Ath. Dept's across the land, but if you consider how quickly AD's are (now, opposed to the past) pulling the trigger on "non-excelling" coaches, you'll notice a shift in how secure that HC slot truly is/isn't. Large buyout clauses just aren't as effective as they once were. Just look at the coaches who have been forced out recently: Fulmer, Tuberville, Nutt, BC's coach. Heck, ND considered telling Weiss (he of the 10 year contract) to hit the road after getting rid of Willingham who wasn't living up to their standards. Nobody will blink an eye if LSU tells Miles to take the next pirogue to the swamps if the Tigers go 7-5 and under .500 next season.
The FB head coaches may seemingly hold all of the power, but the AD's (and the big boy boosters) are the puppetmasters.
No, the ADs are puppets too. The boosters are the puppetmasters and they'll quickly get rid of any AD who theyre not happy with. And if their next coach doesn't at least come close to matching Jagodzinski's 20-8 record, that AD will be updating his resume.Eureka Dog said:
football coach thinks a 1/100 chance w/ the Jets for a job is better than a 100% chance with the BC Eagles.