Wow, Britain votes to leave EU...

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Teachable Moe

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IMO, Trump should promise GB leaders he'll push for even greater economic support (trade wise) for GB if he is elected.

Sure, Trump just congratulated the Scots for voting to Leave. Trump's on top of things, he is.

And we should definitely be working for less free trade. More trade restrictions. Higher tariffs. We could probably get things back to 1930 if we tried hard enough.
 

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Sure, Trump just congratulated the Scots for voting to Leave. Trump's on top of things, he is.

And we should definitely be working for less free trade. More trade restrictions. Higher tariffs. We could probably get things back to 1930 if we tried hard enough.

Trump was in Great Britain wasn't he? You think maybe more than the local news might pick up the speech?

I bet you were one who preached we can't drill ourselves to cheap gas too.

Which party is the party of fear and big business again?
 

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They were starting to see that Universal Healthcare isn't so swell. Especially with hundreds of thousands of immigrants that Great Britain had no say in entry. Mothers in labor being sent home because there simply weren't beds, waiting on surgery when it's desperately needed, those things don't sit well with people.

You sure got the UK vote figured out. They voted for less National Health.
 

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Sure, Trump just congratulated the Scots for voting to Leave. Trump's on top of things, he is.

And we should definitely be working for less free trade. More trade restrictions. Higher tariffs. We could probably get things back to 1930 if we tried hard enough.

We should protect our interests. Free trade is great if there is mutual benefit. That has not been the case in the US in the last 20 years. Trump is on top of the disdain for politics as usual. Like the people in GB, he sees the status quo is/was not working. Allowing other nations to have input into, much less control over segments of their economy and have a negative impact on their culture was not in their best interests.
In our case, higher tariffs might not be a bad idea.
 
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You think nobody in England benefited from the EU? Do you think leaving the EU is going to keep factory jobs in England? What keeps jobs in high wage countries? What will keep London's financial markets healthy? Do you think that factories in England can now ignore EU regulations? Do you think England can train enough medical personnel in the next 2 years to make up for those who now have to leave? Do you think that UKIP is really targeting Poles (who are from the EU) -- or other, darker skinned immigrants (who aren't.)

But, hey, do yourself a favor and ignore me. Life's too short.

Britain figured out how to rule the world and won a couple world wars. I'm pretty sure they can figure out how to negotiate a trade deal and get more nurses without importing a bunch of Poles and Pakistanis. Oh, and a cheaper £ will help British exporters. And lastly, get pumped.
 

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Britain figured out how to rule the world and won a couple world wars. I'm pretty sure they can figure out how to negotiate a trade deal and get more nurses without importing a bunch of Poles and Pakistanis. Oh, and a cheaper £ will help British exporters. And lastly, get pumped.

A little refresher.
Poles: EU
Pakistanis: non-EU

Brexit Vote: You're British. So scale it back.

 

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Oh yea I'm sure the younger voters of Britain are just so different than ours .....



Their votes shouldn't even be counted. Complete idiots. Give me the older side anyday. How embarrassing.
 

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Yes

Do you think Great Britain is just going to fold up..no.

You don't give people near enough credit to adapt.

You're all for change as long as its your terms, this is change for the better long term in Great Britain, and the US could use a big dose of it.

It's funny you keep mentioning healthcare, that was one of the driving forces. They were starting to see that Universal Healthcare isn't so swell. Especially with hundreds of thousands of immigrants that Great Britain had no say in entry. Mothers in labor being sent home because there simply weren't beds, waiting on surgery when it's desperately needed, those things don't sit well with people.
Once upon a time, the sun never set on the British empire b/c it was so expansive. Folks tend to forget that bit. Especially when it suits their hopes and wishes for GB to now collapse.
 

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On my FB feed, the local news outlets are, err, refusing to let a good crisis go to waste by posting constant SM value updates. Like, every hour all day long. I'm extremely interested to see if they document any recovery with such fervor. Not holding my breath.
 
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Britain figured out how to rule the world and won a couple world wars. I'm pretty sure they can figure out how to negotiate a trade deal and get more nurses without importing a bunch of Poles and Pakistanis. Oh, and a cheaper £ will help British exporters. And lastly, get pumped.
A devalued Pound really hurts on imports though. Should help with tourism though.
 

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Oh yea I'm sure the younger voters of Britain are just so different than ours .....



Their votes shouldn't even be counted. Complete idiots. Give me the older side anyday. How embarrassing.

That's the narrative I love on social media from the left. These poor young people where 75 percent voted to remain. Because you know young people are always great at sound decision making and they're not easily manipulated by political lunatics and they just have tons of experience and wisdom.
 

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That's the narrative I love on social media from the left. These poor young people where 75 percent voted to remain. Because you know young people are always great at sound decision making and they're not easily manipulated by political lunatics and they just have tons of experience and wisdom.
I'm headed to back to Britain next year. Depending on the upcoming Prez election, great conversation is nevertheless expected. Heh!
 
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That's the narrative I love on social media from the left. These poor young people where 75 percent voted to remain. Because you know young people are always great at sound decision making and they're not easily manipulated by political lunatics and they just have tons of experience and wisdom.

The most easily influenced and youngest of the voting block voted 75% stay.

If you're in the other side you might want to consider that.

I won't hold my breath.
 

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I'm already sick of the typical liberal-elite mantra that "fear" drove this vote; that only the poorly-educated and narrow-minded voted for the Brexit.

Hell, the Brits made a 23-year, good faith effort to have open borders. That's a long trial period, and they've decided it didn't work. Neither the media nor other countries can rightfully criticize their decision. It's EXPERIENCE and REALITY, not "fear" that drove this vote.

Reminds me of the widespread media rebuke of Kentucky voters for the election of Bevin as Governor, as the media and elites ridiculed poor Kentuckians for voting against their economic interest. You could practically hear the subtext which was "wait a second, by giving you all these freebies, we already bought and paid for your vote. You must not know what's good for you."

Very glad that there were enough Brits who voted their conscience, in the face of the real "FEAR" campaign, i.e., that this will hurt them economically.

Good. For. Them.
 
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Fear will always eventually win. It's the primary driving force in humans.

Whether it's fear of the "other" (immigration), terrorism, health or losing your job. It breeds suspicion, hate and isolationism, all cloaked as nationalism.
Tell that to jfk... Wait... He got shot
 

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We should protect our interests. Free trade is great if there is mutual benefit. That has not been the case in the US in the last 20 years.
Sure, there has been a benefit for the US. Americans get cheaper products, corporate shareholders get higher stock values, and CEO pay is higher than ever.
 

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That's the worst part of it for me. Watching these liberals which really are nothing more than borderline anarchist enjoy their nice job, liberties, and way of life that the "evil capitalist empire" brought them while trying to tear it down at the same time.

If these foreigners that they want to pack in for political gain actually effected their careers and livelihood, they'd be the first to shut it down. I'm still waiting on white elites in the media to give up THEIR livelihood for the "cause". Since its regular folks it effects, they don't give a ****. MSNBC (which is nothin but white elitist) needs to get diverse. Practice what you preach. And I don't care how gay you claim to be as to avoid your "whiteness". A gay white woman is still white. Anderson Cooper, your white privilege has lasted long enough. Time to offer that job up.

Nothing worse than a white American Western European ideologue that hates the country that gave them so much. They are the worst of the worst. Absolutely pitiful and delusional human beings.

1,000 percent agree. They're the absolute most delusional smug group of idiots.

What I enjoy about the elitist goofs during this Brexit crying is that they are continuously calling these people "idiots" and "peasants (WashPo)" for voting this way and how it targeted misinformed voters.

That's rich coming from the left, which is a group who preys on dumbass brainwashed kids, poor and uneducated people and they are pushing for even more uneducated low-skilled gov't dependent people to come here to be a part of their voting block and another "career victim" to be "oppressed" for Dem votes.

They're not the party of intelligence. They just like to believe they're intelligent all while they surround themselves in a bubble so their idiocy is never challenged.
 
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You think nobody in England benefited from the EU? Do you think leaving the EU is going to keep factory jobs in England? What keeps jobs in high wage countries? What will keep London's financial markets healthy? Do you think that factories in England can now ignore EU regulations? Do you think England can train enough medical personnel in the next 2 years to make up for those who now have to leave? Do you think that UKIP is really targeting Poles (who are from the EU) -- or other, darker skinned immigrants (who aren't.)

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This is true. Restricting the flow of people and trade isn't a good thing for Britain economically. Moreover the uncertainty makes Britain less attractive for investment. So less flow of people, trade and money. Could they eventually reemerge even better? Possible. Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward. But let's be clear...this is a step back for UK economically. Also why global markets reacted the way they did. They may or may not emerge better in the long run, but they do have an uphill climb.

The positives are what everyone here has already hashed out, in terms of potentially better control of borders, better security, culture preservation, and in general just more control over affairs in their own country.
 
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