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treeddeep

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Brandon Marshall, Ray Lewis, Deion Sanders have all said God has spoken audibly to them to be great. Yet Tim Tebow is raked over the coals for being an evangelical Christian but these guys are lunatic charismatics that think God speaks to them and they get a free pass. It's the oddest thing.
 
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Uh, Tim Tebow isn't an NFL football player; that's the difference. Other than their religion, there is no comparison between Timmy and these other guys.
 
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BeardoMSU said:
Uh, Tim Tebow isn't an NFL football player; that's the difference. Other than their religion, there is no comparison between Timmy and these other guys.
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Yeah, but he did play football....in the NFL....for a few years. Ray Lewis said God spoke to him and everything was going to be ok when he was in trouble. Deion said God spoke to him before he drove his car off the bridge. How is there no comparison?
 
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Who do Ray and Deion play for

BeardoMSU said:
Uh, Tim Tebow isn't an NFL football player; that's the difference. Other than their religion, there is no comparison between Timmy and these other guys.
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Or do you mean Tebow never played in the NFL?
 
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Look, I agree; that **** sounds nuts. But when people talk like that about religion in general it makes me pretty uncomfortable, but that's just my opinion.

What I was referring to mostly was that Tebow wasn't 'raked over the coals' because he was a christian, but because many people thought he was getting way too much press and opportunity considering he was a marginal, at best, NFL player, let alone QB, which shouldn't have even been a debate.
 
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Tim Tebow was a terrible NFL QB. And there were way too many talking heads who just could not admit that he was not an NFL caliber QB. That's why he was raked over the coals.
 
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The ringleader, Exhibit A:

 
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I'm not speaking about Tebows talent. I'm talking about his views vs other guys views. Why it's ok to take shots at him for being a bible thumping virgin & other guys who's views are completely whacked out are off limits. I don't even like Tebow.
 
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Thats what I'm saying, man. I don't think he was attacked based on what he said or believed as a christian; I'm sure there were some moments where he was, but the vast majority of his criticism came from him being a non-QB trying to play QB - and all the circus that came along with him.
 
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I'll bite

What made him a terrible NFL QB? Ill skip the W-L record because i'm sure you are only interested in stats. How about completion %? How does his completion percentage from his 1st year as a starter compare to Elway's? Hint: Elway's was 47.5%. That's a whole 1% better than Tebow. How about QB rating? Tebow was rated 30% better than elway
 
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Ok, so now we're comparing Tebow to Elway. Wow, not even Skip stooped that low.

If you can't tell "why" he wasn't an NFL quality QB, you need only look at his current occupation.....
 
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You can't compare QB passing stats from Elway's era to the current era. The game is completely different. Lynn Dickey led the league that year with a 87.3 rating. Peyton Manning led the league this year with a 115.1 rating.
 
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Only used elway as an example because evidently he is the god of Qb's

I was simply pointing out how ridiculous the critics of Tebow can be. Blasting him for stats where he was basically the same as one of the greats doesn't make much sense to me. Not to mention the impact he had on the rushing attack.
But you make great points, though**
 
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treeddeep said:
I'm not speaking about Tebows talent. I'm talking about his views vs other guys views. Why it's ok to take shots at him for being a bible thumping virgin & other guys who's views are completely whacked out are off limits. I don't even like Tebow.
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Why do Christians have such a persecution complex? Religion is the only reason why we're still talking about Tim Tebow right now.

Tim Tebow's college and NFL career justify him being about as popular as Chris Leak, Matt Flynn, Jamarcus Russell, Troy Smith, Greg McElroy, John Parker Wilson, etc. - good college QBs who couldn't replicate their success in the NFL. Yet for some reason Tebow is 100 times more popular than all of those guys put together? Why? Because all of the evangelical Christians love him so much, not for his football prowess, but because of his Christian views.

Why do you care if a few talking heads don't like him? His religion makes wins him FAR more fans than detractors, and it's not even close.
 
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treeddeep

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I live in America, more specifically the south. I've never been persecuted and neither has Tim Tebow. I never said that he was.
 
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In 1983, 8 starting qbs completed over 60 percent of their passes with enough qualifying attempts. Last year, it was 25.
 
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Because there were people who championed him and openly pulled for him ONLY because of his open faith. People who have never pulled for a player from Florida or any of his pro teams before, or ever will again. These people were often the first to shout a Tebow critic down as "hating him for his faith."
 
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I agree it's odd. Tebow prays before/after a game and we get "Tebowing" and an SNL skit to mock it. Ray Lewis preaches a three-point health and wealth sermon after winning the Super Bowl and nobody hardly mentions it.

It is interesting, but I don't think religious views are much of a factor. Tebow was a media darling for plenty of time during college and he had the same very public, very "conservative evangelical" views then.
 
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Agreed. I remember a time at my Mom's church (1st Baptist of Gautier), where the preacher started his sermon off by saying he was looking forward to going home and watching a "strong christian young man who the media bashed for his faith", and went on and on about the war on religion in sports and the sports media; which I find as complete BS.

Seriously, how many times during a game do you see a QB, RB, WR, etc. make the ubiquitous "kiss, point, sky" gesture...hell, we even have a pretty bad *** QB that does that. Given the demographics of football, I'd bet the majority of athletes are, in fact, christian, and many express that believe in post game interviews, award acceptances, pregame speeches, etc.

The issue with Tebow wasn't the fact that he "Tebow'ed" before each game, but because he was such a media darling despite an apparent lack of ability. There are plenty of back-up QB's out there - where's their podium?

 
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BeardoMSU said:
The issue with Tebow wasn't the fact that he "Tebow'ed" before each game, but because he was such a media darling despite an apparent lack of ability. There are plenty of back-up QB's out there - where's their podium?
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Not saying he would have been HoF, but I don't think he got a fair shake. Religion? Maybe. Maybe the gm's and coaches were afraid to try something unconventional. Most players that wash out do so because they sucked on field or were a huge headache off the field. Tebow doesn't fit either of those categories. Don't try to say he sucked based soley on completion %. He was basically a rookie, and other players voted him one of the 100 best in the league.
Whether or not he should be starting somewhere is debatable, but can you honestly say he's not good enough to be a project/backup somewhere? You really think he is worse than some of the others players who get their shot and fail every year? Both guys he beat out in Denver still suck and are still employeed. What's the difference?
 
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patdog

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I think Tebow's fanbase has killed his chances to ever play in the NFL. There are really only about 20 QBs in the world good enough to win in the NFL. He's certainly no worse than a lot of guys who are on rosters. But I don't blame any team for not wanting to go through the circus the signing him would bring just to sign a mediocre backup QB.
 
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He went to the Patriots and couldn't beat out Ryan Mallet for the backup job. He refused to play any other position. This is for a coach who has notoriously not given a single **** about name recognition and keeps and plays guys that can play their position and do it within the system, period.

Tebow has the same problems he had when he was coming into the league: he has an extremely slow and long wind-up to throw, he has horrible pocket presence, he doesn't read defenses well enough, he's incredibly inaccurate (he had this problem in college, just played with better players), and he's no longer faster and stronger than most of the people he competes against. He was a pretty damn good college Qb (aided by system and a team full of NFL OL, WR, TE, and RB), but the guy sucks **** as a NFL QB.
 
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I am baffled that religion and the NFL somehow turned into a Tim Tebow thread. It almost makes me think people would dislike the guy just because so many people randomly defend him when any conversation using the word God and the acronym NFL occur in the same topic**
 
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I seriously thought the same thing. That's why I just let it go. Geez ppl on both sides, build a bridge and get over it
 
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