WVU Definitely Valuable to the ACC

[EER X]

Living in NC, I can tell you that there are more WVU stickers/license plates, etc. than any of the NC schools. This is because of the large number of mountaineers that have moved to the state, but more so because of the passion of the WVU fans that is lacking among NC schools. Only the Panthers have more interest shown than WVU. This is why the NC schools can‘t fill up their stadiums most of the time, and don’t have fans at their bowl games unless they are played in Charlotte (which WVU also fills up for bowl or regular season games).

WVU would bring a sold out stadium to every game played in NC and Virginia (and sPitt). This is a big deal because it adds significantly to the bottom line and also brings excitement to the game that is lacking in an empty stadium. Without excitement, the programs will eventually die. WVU also has a history of highly rated TV games against opponents in the ACC, which is a better indicator of interest than the ratings when playing out of the region in the B12.

WVU is easy to get to for the majority of ACC teams, so travel costs are minimal.

There may be reasons the ACC doesn’t take WVU, but they wouldn’t be financial. WVU would earn it’s keep.

 

[Rootmaster]

Pollyanna. Sounds like Biden talking about Afghanistan a week ago. It will be fine.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Pollyanna. Sounds like Biden talking about Afghanistan a week ago. It will be fine.

He's an optimist yes, but his points are valid. I watched WVU kick Tennessee's asses in front of a pretty much sold out crowd at 73,000 seat Bank of America Stadium. The crowd was at least 60/40 WVU. WVU would cover their own keep and half of Wake Forest's.

While filling opponent's stadiums does nothing for the ACCN it damn sure helps the home school's bottom line.

 

[Rootmaster]

He's an optimist yes, but his points are valid. I watched WVU kick Tennessee's asses in front of a pretty much sold out crowd at 73,000 seat Bank of America Stadium. The crowd was at least 60/40 WVU. WVU would cover their own keep and half of Wake Forest's.

While filling opponent's stadiums does nothing for the ACCN it damn sure helps the home school's bottom line.

Unfortunately means nothing when hoping to switch conferences.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Unfortunately means nothing when hoping to switch conferences.

It's been shown that WVU viewership is behind only Clemson, FSU, and Miami of ACC schools already. ACCN subscriptions would take a sizeable jump if WVU were added. It would be a sound business decision, but there are still lingering biases and stereotypes to overcome.

I don't know who is talking with who and if anything is being planned, just as we didn't with OK and UT. President Gee only says we have not been invited so far. Well an actual invitation is the next to last step in joining a conference. What does that all mean? Maybe talks are in progress, or maybe no contact at all. It sucks not knowing, but we do have at least one and maybe two actual insiders on here.

Each of us has to choose what to believe of all the rumors, hints and speculation floating around don't we? You and I have different takes on all of this confusion, but we could still get drunk and watch WVU play together couldn't we?

 

[eyebugs]

I bet you right at this minute the ACC power brokers are counting how many WV sticker are on cars in the greater NC area...

 

[Buckaineer]

A couple of things we know to be true:

1) The ACC needs more money for its schools to avoid a BIG 12 esque fate down the road.

2) EXPANSION is how the ACC will open its tv contracts back up.

Those two things don't hurt WVUs chances. WVU rates better than most of the ACC--which = value to TV networks regardless of pundits fake commentary.

WVUs fanbase is far larger than just Morgantown or the state of WV as those same pundits might have you believe too which can boost ratings for tv and streaming around that league.

The situation remains: Texas and OU haven't paid yet to depart the BIG 12. There's no way anyone else is leaving with the possibility of having to wait 18 months, pay the buyout fee and leave their media rights behind for a few years, so really, no one is going to offer until those things are underway or very close.

After all--2025 is when the SEC's new deal is supposed to kick in and boost those schools revenues and also when the traitors will be gone. No reason for existing core members to do anything, or any conference that might invite them to do anything until the time gets much closer.

 

[topdecktiger]

It's been shown that WVU viewership is behind only Clemson, FSU, and Miami of ACC schools already. ACCN subscriptions would take a sizeable jump if WVU were added. It would be a sound business decision, but there are still lingering biases and stereotypes to overcome.

I don't know who is talking with who and if anything is being planned, just as we didn't with OK and UT. President Gee only says we have not been invited so far. Well an actual invitation is the next to last step in joining a conference. What does that all mean? Maybe talks are in progress, or maybe no contact at all. It sucks not knowing, but we do have at least one and maybe two actual insiders on here.

Each of us has to choose what to believe of all the rumors, hints and speculation floating around don't we? You and I have different takes on all of this confusion, but we could still get drunk and watch WVU play together couldn't we?

Not to say that West Virginia won't ever get into the ACC, but they won't add many subscriptions to the network. Aside from the state of West Virginia itself, most of the fanbase is in states where the ACC network is already carried. The ACC already gets the increased subscription rate for having schools in these states.

It doesn't go by number of eyeballs, because you don't subscribe to the network individually. The ACCN is just part of a package with other channels, and you automatically get it with that package. The real money is made by conference networks from people who never watch it, but it's part of a package they have.

If it ever goes to streaming, then you might be a different story. That's just the way it is now.

 

[Buckaineer]

Not to say that West Virginia won't ever get into the ACC, but they won't add many subscriptions to the network. Aside from the state of West Virginia itself, most of the fanbase is in states where the ACC network is already carried. The ACC already gets the increased subscription rate for having schools in these states.

It doesn't go by number of eyeballs, because you don't subscribe to the network individually. The ACCN is just part of a package with other channels, and you automatically get it with that package. The real money is made by conference networks from people who never watch it, but it's part of a package they have.

You are speaking in todays terms of cable markets. By the time 2025 rolls around STREAMING will be much more prevalent in regards to how people view sports and other content and at that time schools that can deliver interest in games will be very important to conferences.

With WVUs rabid fanbase, proximity to so many ACC schools and former conference membership and even national rivalry with so many schools, interest in ACC games will undoubtedly increase with WVU onboard--in addition to higher TV viewership numbers that WVU would bring on a national rather than regional basis.

 

[topdecktiger]

You are speaking in todays terms of cable markets. By the time 2025 rolls around STREAMING will be much more prevalent in regards to how people view sports and other content and at that time schools that can deliver interest in games will be very important to conferences.

With WVUs rabid fanbase, proximity to so many ACC schools and former conference membership and even national rivalry with so many schools, interest in ACC games will undoubtedly increase with WVU onboard--in addition to higher TV viewership numbers that WVU would bring on a national rather than regional basis.

The problem is that the ACC contract isn't based off streaming.

 

[Buckaineer]

The problem is that the ACC contract isn't based off streaming.

I'll try to find the article, but its been reported that ESPN is progressing towards having more sports on its streaming platform(s) in the future and less on cable as cable continues to lose massive numbers of subscribers.

Also, you may have noticed, ESPN is giving 15 more 3:30 and evening slots to the SEC starting in 2025. What that means is the ACC games are going to get bumped out of those slots in favor of the SEC. This is why most suspect the Big Ten is going to move their product fully away from ABC/ESPN onto FOX(and or CBS) and probably has alot to do with why ESPN is trying to neuter everyone else as these TV deals come up--they want to knock out the competition, but it may backfire.

There's a high probability that more ACC games, which have not rated all that well over the last decade, are going to have many more games on i.e. the ACCn, and that network will probably migrate at least in part to ESPN+ eventually anyway.

 

[topdecktiger]

I'll try to find the article, but its been reported that ESPN is progressing towards having more sports on its streaming platform(s) in the future and less on cable as cable continues to lose massive numbers of subscribers.

Also, you may have noticed, ESPN is giving 15 more 3:30 and evening slots to the SEC starting in 2025. What that means is the ACC games are going to get bumped out of those slots in favor of the SEC. This is why most suspect the Big Ten is going to move their product fully away from ABC/ESPN onto FOX(and or CBS) and probably has alot to do with why ESPN is trying to neuter everyone else as these TV deals come up--they want to knock out the competition, but it may backfire.

There's a high probability that more ACC games, which have not rated all that well over the last decade, are going to have many more games on i.e. the ACCn, and that network will probably migrate at least in part to ESPN+ eventually anyway.

The problem is streaming hasn't so far turned out to be what people said it would be. What it has so far been is just cable TV over a different delivery system.

 

[Buckaineer]

Here's one article discussin ESPNs streaming future:

https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/do...es-from-cable-to-espn-in-the-near-future.html

In this article from the Financial Times about Disney’s streaming strategy, there’s an interesting note about the future of ESPN+ and the plans that Bob Iger and Kevin Mayer had for it.

Last year, Mr Iger and Mr Mayer discussed moving some of ESPN’s popular sports programming to its streaming service as early as 2022, after the expiry of licensing contracts requiring games to be broadcast on ESPN’s cable channel, according to people familiar with the talks.

We’ve already started to see this with new carriage deals that ESPN has inked with college conferences, guaranteeing that a whole bunch of games would air exclusively on ESPN+.




It would not be surprising if like in some of the other college deals, the ACCN includes streaming rights, and they probably also wrote that into the deal for tier 1 and 2 rights as well:

This was from the launch of the ACCN--

https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/espn-accnx-football-acc-network.html

The upcoming August 22 launch of the ACC Network has plenty of implications on the TV side, especially with three games there on opening weekend and with many big providers still without deals to carry the network. But that network’s launch is also going to have implications for streaming-only content; ESPN put out a release Thursday about exclusive content for “ACC Network Extra,” or digital-only content within the ESPN app that will require authentication of a cable or satellite subscription to ACC Network. That platform’s going to have a lot of content from a variety of less prominent sports, including 168 volleyball games, 108 women’s soccer games and 91 men’s soccer games, but it also will feature five football games exclusively this year, and more non-exclusively. Thanks to ESPN’s football schedules, we’ve now seen five games in Weeks 2 and 3 listed as “ACCNX.”

 

[Buckaineer]

The problem is streaming hasn't so far turned out to be what people said it would be. What it has so far been is just cable TV over a different delivery system.

I don't disagree, but more people are switching to that and dropping more expensive cable and its pretty clear the networks are all aware of that as they add streaming platforms and move content onto it as well--live sport content.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Not to say that West Virginia won't ever get into the ACC, but they won't add many subscriptions to the network. Aside from the state of West Virginia itself, most of the fanbase is in states where the ACC network is already carried. The ACC already gets the increased subscription rate for having schools in these states.

It doesn't go by number of eyeballs, because you don't subscribe to the network individually. The ACCN is just part of a package with other channels, and you automatically get it with that package. The real money is made by conference networks from people who never watch it, but it's part of a package they have.

If it ever goes to streaming, then you might be a different story. That's just the way it is now.

Bingo. Streaming isn't even close to the primary money maker for conferences and it's unclear if it ever will become a rival option. If conference affiliation was due to fan engagement and attendance, WVU would've been taken above Pitt, BC, Rutgers, Maryland, VT, or Syracuse. Yet they weren't. While no one gives a flip about Rutgers, Syracuse, or BC in their respective TV markets, they do care a good deal about the Yankees/Mets/Jets/Giants/Rangers/Knicks/Nets, the Bills, and the Red Sox/Patriots/Bruins/Celtics in their respective markets. Those that can't afford the individual NFL, MLB, NBA, and/or NHL sports channels will get the generic sports bundle from the local cable provider. They will get it regardless of the superfluous channels that they may not care about including golf or college ball. Hence, Rutgers got into the Big 10 to piggy back the Big 10 network not off of Rutgers' fandom, but rather the sports fandom of the Philadelphia and New York professional sports' viewership.

One day streaming may become a viable rival, but it's unclear as to when that may happen. Especially since it is not as lucrative as the current bundle system. It's why there hasn't been a complete ala carte channel option from cable providers or specific show purchasing from streaming services. Thus the powers that be are not likely to change unless the consumer forces the issue.
No matter what, it's all moot if WVU doesn't stay relevant. If WVU is put into G5 status for a decade, I fear the fan engagement and streaming eyeballs we are talking about now won't all be there then.

I'd like to hope I'm wrong, but I do see the winds moving toward making a 30-50 college sports (aka football and a far lesser extent basketball) elite group.
The aim is hoping to concentrate the fandom as other programs become increasingly irrelevant since they are not viable candidates to compete on the big stage anymore. And in that scenario, I don't see a place for WVU at the end of it all. It's not to say I think WVU should'nt try to delay the inevitable if it is in fact inevitable. Thus I'm all for joining the ACC even if its only a temporary haven like the Big 12 was.

 

[Buckaineer]

Again in a few years streaming will be much more prevalent than now- doesnt mean there wont be cable, but the SEC will dominate the ABC/ ESPN windows after noon and the Big Ten on FOX ( and maybe CBS?). And you can bet the main schools will be featured. Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Penn State, Florida, Wisconsin, Oklahoma.

Many others games will be primarily streamed.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Bingo. Streaming isn't even close to the primary money maker for conferences and it's unclear if it ever will become a rival option. If conference affiliation was due to fan engagement and attendance, WVU would've been taken above Pitt, BC, Rutgers, Maryland, VT, or Syracuse. Yet they weren't. While no one gives a flip about Rutgers, Syracuse, or BC in their respective TV markets, they do care a good deal about the Yankees/Mets/Jets/Giants/Rangers/Knicks/Nets, the Bills, and the Red Sox/Patriots/Bruins/Celtics in their respective markets. Those that can't afford the individual NFL, MLB, NBA, and/or NHL sports channels will get the generic sports bundle from the local cable provider. They will get it regardless of the superfluous channels that they may not care about including golf or college ball. Hence, Rutgers got into the Big 10 to piggy back the Big 10 network not off of Rutgers' fandom, but rather the sports fandom of the Philadelphia and New York professional sports' viewership.

One day streaming may become a viable rival, but it's unclear as to when that may happen. Especially since it is not as lucrative as the current bundle system. It's why there hasn't been a complete ala carte channel option from cable providers or specific show purchasing from streaming services. Thus the powers that be are not likely to change unless the consumer forces the issue.
No matter what, it's all moot if WVU doesn't stay relevant. If WVU is put into G5 status for a decade, I fear the fan engagement and streaming eyeballs we are talking about now won't all be there then.

I'd like to hope I'm wrong, but I do see the winds moving toward making a 30-50 college sports (aka football and a far lesser extent basketball) elite group.
The aim is hoping to concentrate the fandom as other programs become increasingly irrelevant since they are not viable candidates to compete on the big stage anymore. And in that scenario, I don't see a place for WVU at the end of it all. It's not to say I think WVU should'nt try to delay the inevitable if it is in fact inevitable. Thus I'm all for joining the ACC even if its only a temporary haven like the Big 12 was.

Wait. I live just South of Charlotte in South Carolina. Regardless of any other arguments this is SEC territory for mandatory sports packages. With DirectTV SECN is mandatory with full ESPN and ACCN is optional. Now, thanks to recent deals with Dish Network and Comcast both are mandatory with the full sports package.

That has been the biggest obstacle for ACCN, is SECN is already mandatory with most broadcast providers and ACCN has been an optional $5.99 add on. There is still much of that outside Dish and Comcast. That's where the thousands of WVU fans come in. They will add ACCN if WVU is there. Argue and dismiss that all you choose, but there are many more subscriptions to be had for the ACCN.

But wait, there is more. Call now and I will double your order for no additional charge, just pay separate shipping and handling! LOL! Seriously, I have to subscribe to both but I do not have to watch them. Without WVU I will not. Numbers of viewers who see the commercials may not be as lucrative as the number of non watching subscribers but it does matter. Actual viewership still counts.

 

[Rootmaster]

And maybe Biden will be smarter tomorrow. Wishful thinking on wvu's impact.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Wait. I live just South of Charlotte in South Carolina. Regardless of any other arguments this is SEC territory for mandatory sports packages. With DirectTV SECN is mandatory with full ESPN and ACCN is optional. Now, thanks to recent deals with Dish Network and Comcast both are mandatory with the full sports package.

That has been the biggest obstacle for ACCN, is SECN is already mandatory with most broadcast providers and ACCN has been an optional $5.99 add on. There is still much of that outside Dish and Comcast. That's where the thousands of WVU fans come in. They will add ACCN if WVU is there. Argue and dismiss that all you choose, but there are many more subscriptions to be had for the ACCN.

But wait, there is more. Call now and I will double your order for no additional charge, just pay separate shipping and handling! LOL! Seriously, I have to subscribe to both but I do not have to watch them. Without WVU I will not. Numbers of viewers who see the commercials may not be as lucrative as the number of non watching subscribers but it does matter. Actual viewership still counts.

Again, if it counted for all that much then WVU would not have been left out in the cold for the likes of BC, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, Maryland, or VT during the last 2 realignments. I'm not saying viewership doesn't count at all, I'm just disagreeing with you regarding how much. It's enough of a difference that the sports cesspool that is Rutgers got into a big conference over WVU. And don't hand me any crap that it was academics that pushed Rutgers over the top. Or that its mostly personal animosity by conference heads that are all cutting off their noses to spite their face to keep WVU out.

 

[Buckaineer]

And maybe Biden will be smarter tomorrow. Wishful thinking on wvu's impact.

Reality, just like Biden's intelligence as compared to the last guy who had none. Inject some bleach anyone?

WVU brings more eyeballs than the existing ACC for the most part. WVU brings traveling fans.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Reality, just like Biden's intelligence as compared to the last guy who had none. Inject some bleach anyone?

WVU brings more eyeballs than the existing ACC for the most part. WVU brings traveling fans.

Men can get pregnant and breast feed anyone?

 

[Rootmaster]

Yeah DumbassJoe did such a good job over the past few days. He is a jackass and so are his supporters. Now back to the Mountaineers. The longer we are in limbo the worse the outcome. AAC is looking good.

 

[Buckaineer]

Men can get pregnant and breast feed anyone?

No idea what you are babbling about here.

Trump actually told people to inject themselves with bleach on national tv no less--how many people did he KILL with that? Let alone how many he killed pretending Covid doesn't exist or was created to keep him from winning an election. And idiots actually BELIEVE him. Even while they are on their DEATH BED!

Unbelievable.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Reality, just like Biden's intelligence as compared to the last guy who had none. Inject some bleach anyone?

WVU brings more eyeballs than the existing ACC for the most part. WVU brings traveling fans.

Unfortunately TV pays more than fan attendance.

 

[Buckaineer]

About every 10 years realignment will happen.

However, If WVU were able to join the ACC now, they'd have until about 2034 before needing to worry--that's when the SEC deal is up and when the ACC contract is about to be up--close enough for GOR buyouts.

 

[WVUALLEN]

No idea what you are babbling about here.

Trump actually told people to inject themselves with bleach on national tv no less--how many people did he KILL with that? Let alone how many he killed pretending Covid doesn't exist or was created to keep him from winning an election. And idiots actually BELIEVE him. Even while they are on their DEATH BED!

Unbelievable.

Let us all know when you get the true facts of what Trump actually said.

Will you visit Biden when he enters assisted living facilities in another 4 months?

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Again, if it counted for all that much then WVU would not have been left out in the cold for the likes of BC, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, Maryland, or VT during the last 2 realignments. I'm not saying viewership doesn't count at all, I'm just disagreeing with you regarding how much. It's enough of a difference that the sports cesspool that is Rutgers got into a big conference over WVU. And don't hand me any crap that it was academics that pushed Rutgers over the top. Or that its mostly personal animosity by conference heads that are all cutting off their noses to spite their face to keep WVU out.

I'm only saying WVU is not the same value that it was before, it's better and on the rise. WVU committed to and accomplished all they promised the Big12 when Texas said to invite them over Louisville.

The ACC was prepared to invite them on the same day the Big 12 did but was simply too late. That is a fact I could have proved back then as a small time writer with a very good connection. The time in the Big 12 has given WVU more recognition than they ever had in the Big East.

You want to know who carried WVU up to the next level nationally? Pat White, Steve Slaton, Owen Schmitt, Noel Devine, Darius Reynoud, and several others who kept us in the spotlight like never before. Dabo Swinney's squad had already achieved their climb when WVU took them to the woodshed. The defensive coordinator was fired for the embarrassment.

This is not the same WVU that was left out of the adult table in the past for what turned out to be lesser teams and programs. That was then, this is now. About 3 months from now we and everyone else will know what WVU truly is now, whatever that may be. I'm optimistic, some are not

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Rutgers connected themselves to NYC. Even without that they are in NJ.
It was explained on here how conference networks work
Cable networks in general. How many homes they are in.

This next realignment is that..Plus streaming.
Two difference things. Yes conference networks are important but the SEC and B1G are pretty much in every home.
I get both. Somehow the B1G was able to connect themselves.
SEC network has done the same in B1G territory

We are going to streaming
So networks want products they can put behind the paywall
CBS has the Paramount Channel
NBC has Peacock
ESPN/Disney has ESPN+

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

ACCN is still working on it. They got Dish and Comcast, DirecTV and others still to go. Those on DirecTV in the Carolinas MUST pay for SECN, period. ACCN is an additional option.

 

[Tylerite]

ACC wasn’t going to invite us. This was talked about on TOS. It was mentioned there that Oliver Luck even said so. There was never a formal vote

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

No idea what you are babbling about here.

Trump actually told people to inject themselves with bleach on national tv no less--how many people did he KILL with that? Let alone how many he killed pretending Covid doesn't exist or was created to keep him from winning an election. And idiots actually BELIEVE him. Even while they are on their DEATH BED!

Unbelievable.

The man is a buffoon who said really stupid **** on a regular basis. But he was better than an ENTIRE party of people openly saying that men can get pregnant as well as breastfeed children while accusing anyone that disagrees as a "science denying bigot." Trump was an awful representative and spokesperson for his platform, but even if he said to inject bleach it's still better than the counter factual cultural and economic platforms of Democrats like Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, the never endingly stupid AOC, Omar, Bush.

 

[Buckaineer]

The man is a buffoon who said really stupid **** on a regular basis. But he was better than an ENTIRE party of people openly saying that men can get pregnant as well as breastfeed children while accusing anyone that disagrees as a "science denying bigot." Trump was an awful representative and spokesperson for his platform, but even if he said to inject bleach it's still better than the counter factual cultural and economic platforms of Democrats like Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, the never endingly stupid AOC, Omar, Bush.

Guessing you got that nonsense from some ultra right wing looney site? what party "openly said that men can get pregnant as well as breastfeed children"?

This did not happen. Its not real. Its one of your idiot right wing zealots making up LIES to distract and divide Americans as they always do.

Without the Democrats policies you would not have Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Infrastructure Improvements, Healthcare, Jobs with any sort of living wage (Rethugs keep blocking a living minimum wage at the year adjusted rate it should be). You won't have decent public schooling with rethuglicans, the P.O. will be privatized, less efficient and more expensive. You won't have clean water, or safe food. Global warming catastrophes will be killing people and causing billions in damage and your children will be in dire straights when they grow up.

While you repeat nonsense about the right wing nutjob attack on Democrats trying to get things done for YOU, I bet you can't name any REAL thing that all those people did to harm you, or any REAL thing any rethug like Trump, Graham, Mconnell or any other of those Russian loving thugs has done or will do for you or your family.

 

[Buckaineer]

ACC wasn’t going to invite us. This was talked about on TOS. It was mentioned there that Oliver Luck even said so. The was never a formal vote

Exactly. People keep spouting the lie that WVU was "rejected" officially by the ACC, when the reality is WVU never applied to be a member in recent times. Oliver Luck has said that he had conversations about it with some leaders in that conference but that he saw 0 interest in anything coming of that. WVU did not apply, was not rejected for academics or anything else. Informal conversations are the only things that took place. Also he had no way of guessing that Maryland would leave the ACC later, but even if he did, there was no way to know if they would have considered WVU even then, as Louisville, Cincinnati, UConn were all in the picture too, and UL was actually invited.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Guessing you got that nonsense from some ultra right wing looney site? what party "openly said that men can get pregnant as well as breastfeed children"?

This did not happen. Its not real. Its one of your idiot right wing zealots making up LIES to distract and divide Americans as they always do.

Without the Democrats policies you would not have Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Infrastructure Improvements, Healthcare, Jobs with any sort of living wage (Rethugs keep blocking a living minimum wage at the year adjusted rate it should be). You won't have decent public schooling with rethuglicans, the P.O. will be privatized, less efficient and more expensive. You won't have clean water, or safe food. Global warming catastrophes will be killing people and causing billions in damage and your children will be in dire straights when they grow up.

While you repeat nonsense about the right wing nutjob attack on Democrats trying to get things done for YOU, I bet you can't name any REAL thing that all those people did to harm you, or any REAL thing any rethug like Trump, Graham, Mconnell or any other of those Russian loving thugs has done or will do for you or your family.

Texas and OU leaving has destroyed the Big 12 and it will no longer exist. Prepare yourself for that.

The only exit worse than the OU and Texas leaving is Biden and his failed exit plan in Afghanistan. Hiding from Afghanistan questions is Biden playbook. Joe Biden failed Afghanistan's people and tarnished U.S. credibility.

When historians look back at the shambolic U.S. exit from Afghanistan, it may increasingly appear a critical marker of America's decline in the world, far eclipsing the flight from Saigon in 1975.

What factors might explain Biden's gross misjudgment? At this point, several come to mind.

A first factor, universally overlooked, is his lack of relevant experience in dealing hands-on with complex and dangerous foreign policy challenges.

It is hard to see how Biden can emerge from this disaster without his credibility shredded, but the greater loss is to the credibility of the United States, which increasingly appears a fading power internationally as well as a failing state at home.

Biden = failure. Congrats to Bucky and his part in voting in the man to destroy America.

 

[Phil1972]

but even if he said to inject bleach

Which he didn't.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

Trump turned to someone off to the side of the press room and said something to the effect of: “Wouldn’t it be great if they could come up with a shot that would go in and disinfect your body of viruses?” That wasn’t a statement, but wishful thinking. Nothing about bleach, but the crack lie department at CNN-DNC came up with bleach.

 

[OlegeezEER]

Living in NC, I can tell you that there are more WVU stickers/license plates, etc. than any of the NC schools. This is because of the large number of mountaineers that have moved to the state, but more so because of the passion of the WVU fans that is lacking among NC schools. Only the Panthers have more interest shown than WVU. This is why the NC schools can‘t fill up their stadiums most of the time, and don’t have fans at their bowl games unless they are played in Charlotte (which WVU also fills up for bowl or regular season games).

WVU would bring a sold out stadium to every game played in NC and Virginia (and sPitt). This is a big deal because it adds significantly to the bottom line and also brings excitement to the game that is lacking in an empty stadium. Without excitement, the programs will eventually die. WVU also has a history of highly rated TV games against opponents in the ACC, which is a better indicator of interest than the ratings when playing out of the region in the B12.

WVU is easy to get to for the majority of ACC teams, so travel costs are minimal.

There may be reasons the ACC doesn’t take WVU, but they wouldn’t be financial. WVU would earn it’s keep.

Its the networks who determine who's valuable and whos not and decisions are mostly based on the financials.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Its the networks who determine who's valuable and whos not and decisions are mostly based on the financials.

Possibly in a few years all of this is going to explode on the greedy TV Networks, Conference Commissioners and University Presidents. Hope I'm alive to see the carnage.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards_rivals413084]

Living in NC, I can tell you that there are more WVU stickers/license plates, etc. than any of the NC schools. This is because of the large number of mountaineers that have moved to the state, but more so because of the passion of the WVU fans that is lacking among NC schools. Only the Panthers have more interest shown than WVU. This is why the NC schools can‘t fill up their stadiums most of the time, and don’t have fans at their bowl games unless they are played in Charlotte (which WVU also fills up for bowl or regular season games).

WVU would bring a sold out stadium to every game played in NC and Virginia (and sPitt). This is a big deal because it adds significantly to the bottom line and also brings excitement to the game that is lacking in an empty stadium. Without excitement, the programs will eventually die. WVU also has a history of highly rated TV games against opponents in the ACC, which is a better indicator of interest than the ratings when playing out of the region in the B12.

WVU is easy to get to for the majority of ACC teams, so travel costs are minimal.

There may be reasons the ACC doesn’t take WVU, but they wouldn’t be financial. WVU would earn it’s keep.

Hey. You show Pitt some respect because we hold your key. Yes, the reasons are financial. You can't make the conference enough MONEY. Yes, you would bring more attractive matchups, but they are still mostly regional. But when you continually disrespect Pitt, you have no chance. So you be nice to us and treat us with respect and maybe we put in a nice word for you.

 

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Pitt is sitting at the little kids table in the ACC
With Wake, BC and Syracuse