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<blockquote data-quote="The Bell Tolls for Thee" data-source="post: 132454094" data-attributes="member: 1812660"><p>It is data driven. 7 out of 10 motor vehicle deaths with regard to DUI occurs when someone with a BAL of over .15 is involved. A vast majority of DUI convictions are for BAL's less than .15. So the fact that you keep treating this a run of the mill DUI, when DUI by comparing this particular case to the average DUI is intellectually dishonest. This is far worse than the average DUI convicted in this country. Link here (<a href="https://www.responsibility.org/alcohol-statistics/drunk-driving-statistics/drunk-driving-fatality-statistics/">https://www.responsibility.org/alcohol-statistics/drunk-driving-statistics/drunk-driving-fatality-statistics/</a>)</p><p></p><p>My illustration is because you do not present these preventable deaths for what they are rather than as meaningless stats you flippantly dismiss. </p><p></p><p>When it comes to moral judgements and representatives of a position in the public eye, which this obviously is, there is a difference between criminal/legal judgements and moral/principled judgements. I believe criminal and legislative policy should be as emotionless as possible which is why I am not advocating for Huggins to be tried for vehicular manslaughter. Same as I would never advocate for criminal proceeding in say a case of unmitigated marital infidelity. However, I would love to live in a world where the society I live in condemns the unfaithful as a the piece of **** they are lest they repent rather than make convenient excuses for them.</p><p></p><p>You cannot deny that what Huggins did with this DUI is far worse than the average DUI. You cannot deny that he was far more reckless and put people in harms way far more than the average DUI. You cannot deny that Huggins made this **** up despite having already suffered similar consequences once before for similar actions. You cannot deny that if a person is capable of basic daily life that it is well within reason to ask that they not be drunk at over 2.5 times the legal limit, drive a company car dozens and dozens of miles on high speed roads, drink beer while driving, black out for 7 hours, and end up 180 miles from where they think they should be. </p><p></p><p><strong>I am very skeptical that had someone like Self done the exact same thing that you would not be shitting on KU for trying retain him despite regardless of if Self was a first timer unlike Huggins. I am also skeptical that had a much bigger philanthropist such as Bill Gates, who is a total douche by the way, lost out professionally from a DUI that you would be so keen on defending him by way of his track record of doing good. So spare me that Bob was such a big part of the University and so charitable. You either think Bob's behavior is as simple as "boys will be boys" which would make you vapid or morally questionable or you are willing to compromise because you think Huggins is the best chance WVU has for any sports success in the coming years and find his philanthropy and "good ole boy" status a convenient mitigation. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and favoring the latter.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Bell Tolls for Thee, post: 132454094, member: 1812660"] It is data driven. 7 out of 10 motor vehicle deaths with regard to DUI occurs when someone with a BAL of over .15 is involved. A vast majority of DUI convictions are for BAL's less than .15. So the fact that you keep treating this a run of the mill DUI, when DUI by comparing this particular case to the average DUI is intellectually dishonest. This is far worse than the average DUI convicted in this country. Link here ([URL]https://www.responsibility.org/alcohol-statistics/drunk-driving-statistics/drunk-driving-fatality-statistics/[/URL]) My illustration is because you do not present these preventable deaths for what they are rather than as meaningless stats you flippantly dismiss. When it comes to moral judgements and representatives of a position in the public eye, which this obviously is, there is a difference between criminal/legal judgements and moral/principled judgements. I believe criminal and legislative policy should be as emotionless as possible which is why I am not advocating for Huggins to be tried for vehicular manslaughter. Same as I would never advocate for criminal proceeding in say a case of unmitigated marital infidelity. However, I would love to live in a world where the society I live in condemns the unfaithful as a the piece of **** they are lest they repent rather than make convenient excuses for them. You cannot deny that what Huggins did with this DUI is far worse than the average DUI. You cannot deny that he was far more reckless and put people in harms way far more than the average DUI. You cannot deny that Huggins made this **** up despite having already suffered similar consequences once before for similar actions. You cannot deny that if a person is capable of basic daily life that it is well within reason to ask that they not be drunk at over 2.5 times the legal limit, drive a company car dozens and dozens of miles on high speed roads, drink beer while driving, black out for 7 hours, and end up 180 miles from where they think they should be. [B]I am very skeptical that had someone like Self done the exact same thing that you would not be shitting on KU for trying retain him despite regardless of if Self was a first timer unlike Huggins. I am also skeptical that had a much bigger philanthropist such as Bill Gates, who is a total douche by the way, lost out professionally from a DUI that you would be so keen on defending him by way of his track record of doing good. So spare me that Bob was such a big part of the University and so charitable. You either think Bob's behavior is as simple as "boys will be boys" which would make you vapid or morally questionable or you are willing to compromise because you think Huggins is the best chance WVU has for any sports success in the coming years and find his philanthropy and "good ole boy" status a convenient mitigation. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and favoring the latter.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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