Yahtzee! Dort to UK!
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Can someone give me the scoop on this kid? Why just 2*? Is it his weight? Not camp enough? Seems to have decent offers. Nothing to write home to mom about but what's his story? TIA
It's not all about stars. Some of the best player in UK history have been unranked to 3 star.
If an impressive DB coach like Stoops thinks he's good enough, he's good enough.
Ok anybody besides this? I know how good some of our lower ranked players have been. I asked why he's ranked low. What is he lacking according to the scouts?
While this is true, let's be honest about it. If you rely on making great players out of lower rated guys, odds are you are going to lose more than the big guys in college football. While it's cool to see an unrated guy come to Kentucky and show he belongs anywhere, the problem is, the big boys of college football have 20 of those type of players every year. I don't know how good this kid is and i am not going to say he isn't going to make a difference. He could turn out to be one of the best players in history, who knows? I'm just saying i would rather recruit the best to compete with the best. You can't expect to become big time in college football while recruiting at a lower end. You can surprise some teams by doing that, but you won't be beating the best. I know we are still a long way from being able to recruit who we want. None of us expect that type of recruiting, not yet anyways. I just don't want have to rely on lower rated players to compete with the best in the nation and have people tell us it's going to be fine. History tells us it's not going to be fine. If you recruit at that level, you usually end up playing at that level.
All I know is this kid came to camp and was phenomenal. I would imagine his ranking goes up. Westry and Baity where both mid level 3 stars.
And history has also shown that highly rated players who come to here are busts and the lower ranks do better.
Morgan Newton 4 star - was a disaster. Trips on his own feet.
Patrick Towles - 4 star - bust
Ryan Mossakowski 4 star - bust
La'Rod King - 4 star - biggest bust in UK Football history. Was suppose to be a god. If I remember correctly.
Micah Johnson - 5 star - bust
DJ Stafford - 5 star - bust
Brandon Gainer - 4 star bust
Khalid Henderson 4 star bust
Zach West - 4 star bust
Glen Falkner - 4 star bust
Aaron Boyd - 4 star bust
and the list goes on and on.
Morgan Newton 4 star - was a disaster. Trips on his own feet.
Patrick Towles - 4 star - bust
Ryan Mossakowski 4 star - bust
La'Rod King - 4 star - biggest bust in UK Football history. Was suppose to be a god. If I remember correctly.
Micah Johnson - 5 star - bust
DJ Stafford - 5 star - bust
Brandon Gainer - 4 star bust
Khalid Henderson 4 star bust
Zach West - 4 star bust
Glen Falkner - 4 star bust
Aaron Boyd - 4 star bust
and the list goes on and on.
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I am not sure why the low ranking, but he was quite impressive at UK's camp. Probably a year or two away from contributing, but Rowland was very impressed with him when he saw him in person.
The low ranking might be a case of not attending very many camps (not sure how many he's attended; just saying that could be one of the reasons).
The low ranking might be a case of not attending very many camps (not sure how many he's attended; just saying that could be one of the reasons).
Perhaps the rating service that rates him only a 2* is behind in its analysis compared to other sites that have him higher?
I have no problem with the coaching staff taking a low-rated guy. I will trust their judgment until they give me a reason not to. I just don't want an entire recruiting class made up of 2-star players.
Great pickup, you know how I know? He has an offer from UK, that's enough for me to know he has been scouted properly.
Fine. How many of those were recruited and played under the current coaching regime? That is of more interest to me. If Stoops can improve a player over 4/5 years, then roll the dice. But if he does not make players better, he needs to shoot for the stars and live witht he results.
I'm not saying that the future 4/5 stars we get are going to be busts. I'm just talking about the past ones we've had.
If I was talking about Stoops players, in some of the posters eyes on this board, Matt Elam would've already been up there but I think with the recent 30 pound weight loss out of Elam, we're about to see the real Elam that we thought we were getting in 2014.
We are kidding ourselves if we think we can compete with a majority of our roster being 2 and 3 stars. It's as simple as that. You need a majority 4 and 5 stars to play with the big boys. Sure, you have a program here or there that has the magic formula (usually great or innovative coaching), but we have not been one of those programs. Not saying this kid can't be good, but you don't compete in the SEC through diamonds in the rough. The pres-season All SEC team has 18 4/5 stars and 4 3 stars.
I like the fact that this kid is from West Palm Beach Dwyer. The school is a football factory and they play against top level south Florida athletes week in and week out.
No one is saying that. I'm just pointing out the FACT that most of the 4/5 stars we've had pre-Stoops era were busts.
The majority of the roster right now is made up of 2 5 star players (Landon Young & Matt Elam) 4 star players and 3 stars.and Josh Allen (2 star) only 2 star on roster.
but you're kidding yourself if 2/3 star players cannot be factors. Stars don't matter as soon as you get on campus. .
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Yep. Definitely won't help this season & probably not in '17 either.
And I am pointing to the fact that you need a majority of your roster to be 4 and 5 stars to be a factor in the SEC. Can 2/3 stars be factors...sure. You said in an earlier post, "It's not all about stars", when college football is 100% all about stars. There is a direct correlation between successful football programs and quality of recruits. It's unavoidable.
Pointing out individuals anecdotally does not tell you, as a total, which star level preforms best at UK or any other school. You need statistics as some individual performances can, actually, must lie outside the typical/expected. More and more examples show nothing besides the exceptions.
Ok.
You look up all the former Cats in the NFL right now and tell me what there ranking were.. I'll wait.
Don't need to. I'm not making any claims.
But given how many more 2 & 3's we've had in the past compared to 4 & 5's, I'd expect them to be overwhelmingly 2 & 3's. I mean how could there be many of the highers when haven't had many? Now the % that are in the NFL of each number we've recruited would be data.
Let me know. I'll wait.
Let me hear your excuse of why the 4/5 stars we've had that I listed above didn't pan out. Why couldn't they, with the 4/5 GLORY get to the NFL and the 2/3 stars did.
Your point is well taken, but I certainly wouldn't call Micah Johnson a bust. He was a very good football player for the Cats and made a lot of plays in his time there. Maybe you're thinking of Micah Jones, but Micah Johnson was a leader on some of the best defenses UK has fielded in 25+ years.
Guys . . . we have this discussion over and over and over again and just can't seem to get this point to sink in.
If we're picking up 2 star kids the week before signing day it's would sound alarms. If Stoops and Co are CHOOSING a kids 7 months out with plenty of spots left it's because they have first hand experience that the kid has real talent higher than his current rank. They aren't "settling" for lower talent and hoping to compete with it . . .they are choosing guys early that they see real talent in before others get to them.
How many times are they going to have to get in early on a guys that later blow up and others start chasing after before we are going to get that. In some cases coaches see a two star guy running along side a 3 star guy at a camp and can just see, "that guy is going to be better than this guy"
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I don't think he's done the camp scene a lot so is unrated and 2* is generally for people they know nothing about. He'll get his video evaluation now that he's committed to UK and get a 5.5 or 5.6 my guess.
His senior season was a big disappointment.
It caused him to go undrafted and scouts were saying the year before he should've left.
That was a thought I had too and I didn't see any offers from any of them on any of the service listings.
I owe you nothing at all. Get over yourself. Besides, I answered this ? in a previous post. But you don't want to listen or can't comprehend.