Yahtzee! Jarren Williams dual threat qb.

StubbornPenny

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Good news. I can't really find any rankings, I guess they don't rank the guys this far out. Offer sheet looks good, hope we keep him. I'd love love love love to have a dual threat QB in college. So much more dangerous in college than the pros.
 

vhcat70

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'18 is a long way off. If UK has success in '16 and '17 lead recruiter Hinshaw likely gets an OC or HC job. What effect would that have?
If OC at UK, not at all. Personally, I don't see Gran or Hinshaw voluntarily going anywhere for three years. I think they think they have something to prove & that's at least three seasons of it. Then, I'd think it would be Gran getting HC job & Darin moving up, JMO.
 

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I wouldn't call it negativity when we flip players, too. Regardless of team, commitment doesn't mean very much
This is only partially true and is misleading. The real story of decommitments is that the vast majority of commitments do stay with the school they originally committed to. It is also true that about as many kids commitment is not honored by the school as those that decommit. Here is a old but pretty good article on the subject. It brings some interesting numbers to the discussion.

"Of the 500 players ranked in the Rivals100 for the classes of 2007 through 2011, 73 (14.6 percent) decomitted at some point during their recruitment. Of those, 62 (12.4 percent) ultimately signed with a school other than the one to which they originally committed.

Considering the fact that these are the most sought-after recruits, that isn't very many. To read the Cranky Newspaper Columnist Who Writes About Recruiting Once a Year©, this issue is much more widespread. Why? Simple news values. People don't like reading about the status quo. "
http://www.si.com/more-sports/2012/01/20/commitment-project
 

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I think he was sold when Hinshaw sent him back with a couple of things to work on and he improved rapidly - and the fact this offense works REALLY REALLY WELL with dual QB

I am happy - FOR NOW- as a danged dog in a peanut butter factory
 
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jauk11

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Good news. I can't really find any rankings, I guess they don't rank the guys this far out. Offer sheet looks good, hope we keep him. I'd love love love love to have a dual threat QB in college. So much more dangerous in college than the pros.

With the offers he has, I wouldn't worry about his star rating. You did make a slight mistake though, his offer sheet doesn't just look good, it looks GREAT for this early in the game. And he isn't going to get many offers from schools better than the ones he already has, and he liked the situation here well enough to commit this early, despite warnings our coaches don't want him to commit unless he is sure.

Sounds like a great sign to me that we are replacing a great QB prospect with another great QB prospect in VERY short order.

I suspect that whoever we end up with as a QB commit will be a VERY good prospect regardless of his ratings, if I am a QB I would love to have an OL that it looks like we will have the next few years, not to mention the other FOUR STAR commits we can start at EVERY other position--------IF they can beat out some even better lower rated players, great job by our coaches of evaluating AND signing underrated players. Plenty of four stars PLUS several real stars that we have brought in with these early evaluations and offers.

These are the FACTS, argue with them with your OPINIONS if you like.
 

jauk11

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So now your using literacy skills and an Olympic medal as justification to be condescending? Ok then. You said no one cares about my posting and that I'm stupid, yet you replied with an extremely punctual 4 paragraph post directed toward me? Alrighty.

Back to the point. UK is making a ton of progress on the recruiting trail and the coaching staff is much improved. I am excited to see various trends all going our favor and stoked for the coming season. Decommits happen. But UK sure is getting a lot more talented commits today than in recent classes I can recall. They just need to keep this trend going from here on out.

Not that bad, most posters don't need any excuse to badmouth-------including me at times.
 

Mr Schwump

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If OC at UK, not at all. Personally, I don't see Gran or Hinshaw voluntarily going anywhere for three years. I think they think they have something to prove & that's at least three seasons of it. Then, I'd think it would be Gran getting HC job & Darin moving up, JMO.

Re staying 3 years, hope so vh. Reason I see Hinshaw maybe getting a HC thing is he's younger than Gran.
 

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When you think of athletic quarterbacks it's hard to come up with any names. Shane Boyd was pretty good but he wasn't really a true duel threat IMO. Randall Cobb as a part time QB that started a few games. Andre Woodson ran the ball a little bit but he really wasn't a DT either. I guess you could throw in Pokie Jones too, but I would have to say Derrick Ramsey would be the last really talented true duel threat QB that we have had here.
Pookie ,was a great QB ,
 

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I wouldn't call it negativity when we flip players, too. Regardless of team, commitment doesn't mean very much
Once again, that's only if you let your negativity ignore the facts. According to Sports Illustrated 88% of blue chip players stayed with their commitments.

Now if your argument is that's for everybody else besides UK because we're obviously cursed . . . I might go along with that!

According to a Sports Illustrated examination of football recruits, “Of the 500 players ranked in the Rivals100 for the classes of 2007 through 2011, 73 (14.6 percent) de-committed at some point during their recruitment. Of those, 62 (12.4 percent) ultimately signed with a school other than the one to which they originally committed.”
 
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Is our staff doing another great scouting job or what. Kills me to see this knowing that at the end of the day there is a chance this young man could flip. That is the way a lot of fans feel. But that is also the nature of Football recruiting.
 

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Is our staff doing another great scouting job or what. Kills me to see this knowing that at the end of the day there is a chance this young man could flip. That is the way a lot of fans feel. But that is also the nature of Football recruiting.
I recall the days players didn't flip cause their other options were Middle Tennessee State and Bubblegum Tech.
 

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** Deleted the childish arguments to clean up the thread. Respect the opinions of others even if you don't agree with them. **
 

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Watched his HUDL this morning - very, very impressive. I am happy he committed, I will be ecstatic if he sticks.
 

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Once again, that's only if you let your negativity ignore the facts. According to Sports Illustrated 88% of blue chip players stayed with their commitments.

Now if your argument is that's for everybody else besides UK because we're obviously cursed . . . I might go along with that!

According to a Sports Illustrated examination of football recruits, “Of the 500 players ranked in the Rivals100 for the classes of 2007 through 2011, 73 (14.6 percent) de-committed at some point during their recruitment. Of those, 62 (12.4 percent) ultimately signed with a school other than the one to which they originally committed.”
I guess you thought my post needed repeating. LOL
 

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Back to the kid...

I was NOT unhappy when Mac Jones decommitted (MAYBE he'll develop the body necessary to compete in an SEC pocket--I wasn't sold).

I am now ELATED that Mac Jones decommitted!

Got to keep this kid...whatever it takes.
 
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When you think of athletic quarterbacks it's hard to come up with any names. Shane Boyd was pretty good but he wasn't really a true duel threat IMO. Randall Cobb as a part time QB that started a few games. Andre Woodson ran the ball a little bit but he really wasn't a DT either. I guess you could throw in Pokie Jones too, but I would have to say Derrick Ramsey would be the last really talented true duel threat QB that we have had here.

Pulley was a decent athlete. Too bad it ended the way it did with him.

Curtis Pulley and Shane Boyd were two exceptionally gifted athletes. I think people around forget just how bad UK was when Boyd played QB. That was when things were really bad because of probation. He had zero weapons and zero offensive line. He actually played in the NFL about the same number of years as Couch.

Boyd was shifty with a cannon arm. But he wasnt overly fast, and he had zero accuracy/touch.

Pulley was a fantastic athlete. Wouldve really been great here had he not blown it.
 
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vhcat70

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"Of the 500 players ranked in the Rivals100 for the classes of 2007 through 2011, 73 (14.6 percent) decomitted at some point during their recruitment. Of those, 62 (12.4 percent) ultimately signed with a school other than the one to which they originally committed.
12% switching fits with my mental impression of frequency without hard data like this.

But I'd bet if you plot days from commitment date to national signing day on X axis & percent switching on Y, I'd think the percent increases noticeably the more days that is. E.g., those committing 500 days prior to NSD may be 70-75% sticking where those in the last week may be 99%. 70% is still a high number.
 

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12% switching fits with my mental impression of frequency without hard data like this.

But I'd bet if you plot days from commitment date to national signing day on X axis & percent switching on Y, I'd think the percent increases noticeably the more days that is. E.g., those committing 500 days prior to NSD may be 70-75% sticking where those in the last week may be 99%. 70% is still a high number.

yes, and I think the higher ranked they are, the more likely they are to switch as well.
 

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Boyd was shifty with a cannon arm. But he wasnt overly fast, and he had zero accuracy/touch.

Pulley was a fantastic athlete. Wouldve really been great here had he not blown it.

Agree. I don't remember Shane Boyd as an exceptional athlete (I know he played baseball too) and it's silly to make even a loose comparison to his pro career with Couch's. I'm not sure if Boyd got many if any meaningful minutes in the NFL.

Pulley situation was unfortunate. Really wanted to see what he could do.
 

jauk11

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Agree. I don't remember Shane Boyd as an exceptional athlete (I know he played baseball too) and it's silly to make even a loose comparison to his pro career with Couch's. I'm not sure if Boyd got many if any meaningful minutes in the NFL.

Pulley situation was unfortunate. Really wanted to see what he could do.

I watched him on TV for half a game at Florida A&M, looked great both running and passing the ball, but I think he was splitting QB duties with another QB.
 

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NO. Williams is a much better passer.
Maybe, but if Jackson cleans up his accuracy a little bit he will not have to rely on his legs as much, Jackson has a serious scary canon of an arm, but that was partly his weakness too, he overthrew a lot of his receivers. I hate UofL but I envy their ability to destroy us with a guy like Jackson. Holding excan find a guy like that who can be more balanced and less one dimensional, hope Williams can be that guy.

But like I said earlier, we can't count out Hoak either.
 

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When you think of athletic quarterbacks it's hard to come up with any names. Shane Boyd was pretty good but he wasn't really a true duel threat IMO. Randall Cobb as a part time QB that started a few games. Andre Woodson ran the ball a little bit but he really wasn't a DT either. I guess you could throw in Pokie Jones too, but I would have to say Derrick Ramsey would be the last really talented true duel threat QB that we have had here.
J-low could scramble better than Woodson.
 

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Loved his film! Wow! Wouldn't mind seeing a couple of his receivers too; they seemed to have a lot of chemistry. Of course he might not even see them for 2 years. Very excited about his commit! I hope it sticks!!

Regarding the thread direction...have to mention Matt roark. :) Not overly athletic and hardly ever threw the ball ... but UNDEFEATED as a starter. Broke longest losing streak (at the time) too. Can't argue with those results! !
 
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Loved his film! Wow! Wouldn't mind seeing a couple of his receivers too; they seemed to have a lot of chemistry. Of course he might not even see them for 2 years. Very excited about his commit! I hope it sticks!!

Regarding the thread direction...have to mention Matt roark. :) Not overly athletic and hardly ever threw the ball ... but UNDEFEATED as a starter. Broke longest losing streak (at the time) too. Can't argue with those results! !

Taking nothing away from Matt's heroic effort but this is a classic example of what happens to a team when they come into a game over-confident and ill prepared. Those are the kinds of games that get coaches fired.
 

Lost In FL

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Taking nothing away from Matt's heroic effort but this is a classic example of what happens to a team when they come into a game over-confident and ill prepared. Those are the kinds of games that get coaches fired.
Agree. How many SEC coaches have lost their jobs after losing to us (not saying because of losing to us in every case, but they lost their jobs nonetheless).

I can guess these: Nutt (Arkansas), Spurrier (USC), Dooley (Tennessee), Pinker (Missouri). Others? DiNardo (LSU)?
 
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Agree. How many SEC coaches have lost their jobs after losing to us (not saying because of losing to us in every case, but they lost their jobs nonetheless).

I can guess these: Nutt (Arkansas), Spurrier (USC), Dooley (Tennessee), Pinker (Missouri). Others? DiNardo (LSU)?

I had never thought about that, but since you bring it up, it is a significant trend.
 

jauk11

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Florida next up, but I'm afraid it will be in 17, Del Rio looked great in the spring game.
 

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Derrick Ramsey wasn't a QB. Could hardly throw the ball. Great athlete & runner.

Antonio O'Ferrall? Billy Jack Haskins?


When he did throw it you'd better catch it or it would drill a hole through your body. Had great pro career but not as a qb.