Y'all's opinion on Croom's coaching abilities
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<div> If you can't see that we were just a few defensive and special teams plays away from a losing season, then there's just no reasoning with you. Our offense played very little part in the success. Our offense was manhandled by virtually every team we played. Ideally, an offense moves the ball and scores points so that you don't depend on erratic, unpredictable big plays on special teams and defense to rescue your poor offensive effort. Those type scores are wonderful, but you can't count on them.
We're all thrilled that we won last year. Heck, I more than doubled my BC contribution. But if you can't see the rationale behind many of us doubting Croom's offensive plan and hence his coaching performance, then there is just no reasoning with you. </div>
We're all thrilled that we won last year. Heck, I more than doubled my BC contribution. But if you can't see the rationale behind many of us doubting Croom's offensive plan and hence his coaching performance, then there is just no reasoning with you. </div>
His offenses are worse than I ever imagined possible at MSU or anywhere else. They've all been that bad. His defenses have been pretty good and his teams usually fight hard and don't quit. Special teams have been reasonably decent. Not terrible, but nothing to get excited about (except for the occasional punt return). Ingame decisions are still a bit questionable (punting from the 30 after you went for it on the 40). He's got to get better, but if he'll ever make the needed changes on offense he's got a chance.</p>
By that, I mean 9 wins is the max he'll ever accomplish. Not a slam cause I don't see any coach winning more than 9 here on a regular basis. That's where his sky limit will always be. The downside limit is the troublesome part. Maine is still in the back of alot of minds regardless if it were his first year or not. With a real offense, he could be a consistent 7-8 win coach because he's got the other ingredients down except for the occasional lapse in game time decisions. I think it's pretty fair to compare him maybe to Cutcliffe. He'll get you 6-8 and some bowls but I don't him beating the LSU's, Tenn's, among others on a regular basis unless he gets the right offensive mind in Starkville and considering I haven't seen one in over 15 years, I wouldn't count on that happening.
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Bulldoghair
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We would not have smelled 4 wins. You guys may not remember but I do, and I also recall some very bad play calling in the Liberty Bowl until Wes Carroll told Croom if he wants to win, run the option. My thoughts are Croom has a lot of good qualities as a head coach but sux as an offensive decision maker, and we will see that rear its ugly head again this year.
winning season & a bowl game victory than Sly did. Sly should have recommended that we give him a big raise to keep him here & fired the hell out of willie McCorveys *** . Sly knew with Johnson out of the way ( and not having to give him a huge pay increase ) that he & Willie stood a better chance of getting more money & both of them a damn raise. I'm afraid their buddy buddy **** may still cost us alot of offensive production this season too. We were also very lucky with all the defensive td's last season. Willie Mc must have a rabbit's foot stuck up his *** or something. If he's an OC , I'm sure all of us can get a job as a rocket scientist. Since Sly was'nt willing to help Ellis out at all & EJ saw how Willie & Sly were so close , he was probably big time pissed at the whole mess. I see now alot why they call him Sly. He still thinks we fans are fing stupid .
Croom wanted to put Riddell under center. Woody had to argue with him to get Carroll in. If Woody doesn't get is boss to reconsider, do we even win that game?
When you are strong at the line of scrimmage you can win a lot of games in this conference, despite what you may lack in other areas. Jackie's strongest teams were good on the line. Guess what we had 2001-2003, a poor to terrible offensive line and an unperforming defensive line. Surprise, surprise, we won a grand total of 8 games those years. Jackie left Croom one OL that was good and ready to go from day one, David Stewart. It's no surprise that most of our running success that year came by plowing behind the big fella.</p>
that Croom is learning how to be a head coach at the same curve as our players are learning how to win football games. He has consistently gotten more flexible in his play calling ( I am a part of the get rid of woody movement also) and by all accounts the recruiting is coming around. We already have verbal commits from 10 out of the top 25 players in the state per rivals. I think that Carroll will disappoint this year and I would not be surprised if we didn't see Tyson Lee starting in the Egg Bowl. Crooms is our coach and I am damn glad to have him.
...Jackie's offense looked the same from 1992 - 2003, no matter who the coordinator was. He never let any coordinator do their thing except for Watson, and you might make a case for Morris Watts, but overall, Jackie played smashmouth football, and was successful doing that, just like Croom finally figured out in 2007. He just had better players.
1. It's a good thing for him that he didn't get the Bama job. He would never have been given the time he needed to turn them around.
2. He's about as bullheaded a human being as there is on the planet. But that quality also makes him somewhat redeemable. Especially to the national media that see him as the bell cow for minority coaches in the SEC. I guarantee you some chowder eating northeasterner journalist is working on his outline for the 15 page article declaring Croom as the college football equivalent of the Selma march leaders.
3. His throwback mentality sets him apart from the empty suits and snake oilers around this conference. Coupled with last year's success, recruits [and their parent(s)] are starting to take a hard look.
4. If you want to measure his level success, one of the best metrics is the level of acerbic discourse coming from competing fans. As accusations of cheating increase, you'll know he's getting there. There's still a reasonably high level of respectful commentary, even doting, from competitors. This sort of **** is inversely proportional to the number of times he beats their team's *** on the field. Personally, I prefer that he be respected begrudgingly, not glowingly.
5. He owes as much to Mississippi State as state does to him. I can't name any other division 1 program where a guy with no head coaching experience would have been essentially handed the job without any identifiable outcome expectations for as many as five years.
2. He's about as bullheaded a human being as there is on the planet. But that quality also makes him somewhat redeemable. Especially to the national media that see him as the bell cow for minority coaches in the SEC. I guarantee you some chowder eating northeasterner journalist is working on his outline for the 15 page article declaring Croom as the college football equivalent of the Selma march leaders.
3. His throwback mentality sets him apart from the empty suits and snake oilers around this conference. Coupled with last year's success, recruits [and their parent(s)] are starting to take a hard look.
4. If you want to measure his level success, one of the best metrics is the level of acerbic discourse coming from competing fans. As accusations of cheating increase, you'll know he's getting there. There's still a reasonably high level of respectful commentary, even doting, from competitors. This sort of **** is inversely proportional to the number of times he beats their team's *** on the field. Personally, I prefer that he be respected begrudgingly, not glowingly.
5. He owes as much to Mississippi State as state does to him. I can't name any other division 1 program where a guy with no head coaching experience would have been essentially handed the job without any identifiable outcome expectations for as many as five years.
And I wouldn't be surprised in the least if its true.
"I guarantee you some chowder eating northeasterner journalist is working on his outline for the 15 page article declaring Croom as the college football equivalent of the Selma march leaders."
Well put sir. And I also agree that he owes Mississippi State as much if not more than we owe him.
"I guarantee you some chowder eating northeasterner journalist is working on his outline for the 15 page article declaring Croom as the college football equivalent of the Selma march leaders."
Well put sir. And I also agree that he owes Mississippi State as much if not more than we owe him.
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Bulldoghair
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why not have a better offense if possible? Does a better offense not mean the team will be better? Can we not have good defense, special teams, and offense at the same time?
My hope is that we come out like gangbusters kicking a$$ in the WCO this year, but I'm concerned that we'll do the same as the last 4 years. And without the timely Pegues gamebreaking play, poor offensive play may mean a loss.
Having a good defense and special teams does not justify a poor offense.
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My hope is that we come out like gangbusters kicking a$$ in the WCO this year, but I'm concerned that we'll do the same as the last 4 years. And without the timely Pegues gamebreaking play, poor offensive play may mean a loss.
Having a good defense and special teams does not justify a poor offense.
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